Chant Du Cygne Worth It For BLU?

Apparently, helped finish off another kannagi in LS today and was doing upwards of 6k on sirrush. Still need to adjust for accuracy though. Don't know why I'm suddenly having so much acc issues with WS. Never had that much of an issue with vorpal blade, but CDC really loves to miss on offhand or last 2 hits for me.

Just finished mine a week ago don't seem to be having any ACC issues, MUCH higher damage than vorpal, maybe bad luck on your part maybe? D:?

No no, I still do more damage than vorpal, just not sure why my acc is being so odd is all. Even with 7~10% I'm still doin 2500~3k, just not sure why this WS hates me is all. Need to try and get Alcide+1 hands/feet and see if that helps.

Was debating on CDC Feet Between Lithe, Setanta's ledelsens, or Alcide's Leggings +1. Mainly if alcide's is worth the price tag or if the difference between the three inconsequential. At the moment Ive been using to Setanta's.

Sham +2 is Strength.

I was duoing Dominion Ops pages on Dolls in Altepa another day with my friend, and sometimes it can go up to 6.3k if berserk warcry is up(he was subbing WAR)

Has anyone noticed a difference between 85 and 90 Almace? I just finished up Apademaks last night and didn't really have a lot of time to test it out. Idk, it seemed to be a little higher than usual? Maybe it's just a placebo. It is nice for the e-peen though :3 lol

Not really higher, but just more consistent I think.

Got a hold of some Alcide leggings +1 and my acc issues seem to have pretty much cleared up. Still occasionally see a bad one, but more often than not it is consistent dmg. Managed to hit a few 6k's without the need for /war but it was on lizards in abyss - misr and against Sirrush. Just need the mitts+1 and cuch belt and I'll be happy with my ws set.

As for difference between 85 and 90 Almace, would have to run the numbers, but in theory you should be seeing higher numbers and dps. You would probably have to run a parser to visibly see it rather than eyeball it though.

Also, for neck is the increase from the gorget worth using say over Kubira beads or other +dex piece in that slot? Haven't gone back for another other gorgets since getting soil/shadow but seems those don't really work for this WS due to its properties.

Well there is no doubt 90 will do more dmg... higher base dmg and dex which adds even more to base dmg

If you could find a neck piece with 6 dex and 10 attack then yes but only inside of abyssea as far as I know. This would be a Raenryong question for confirmation ^^;

Biggest draw to gorget for me is the +10 ACC on each hit while still offering some damage.

Also, I've found CDC to be kinda underwhelming outside of abyssea. Maybe it's just me, but the 800-1200 damage doesn't seem all that robust on DC-EM mobs. (Bats and eyes in Ranguemont Pass)

Gorget is roughly +2.0~2.3% damage depending on amount of DA/TA on CdC. 4DEX is roughly +1.6% damage negating critrate increase and 4STR is roughly +0.8% damage increase neglecting Attack. Kubira is potentially marginally better if you don't need the accuracy but if you do, Gorget blows it away.

Inside Abyssea, Gorget should more or less always be best in slot unless I'm overlooking something; its boost gets devalued, but DEX does greatly too (higher base damage, dDEX should be capped, etc).

As always thanks for the clarification!

No problem though I would wait for potential criticism from other math people before taking it for granite!

I trust you far more than I trust my own opinion but if others manage to provide math proving you wrong I'll worry about adjusting my sets after that.

Yeah, I guess so. I still haven't had much opportunity to test it...I've been on ninjer the last couple days for everything :/

I spent at most 45 mins at Bluffaloes but my dmg was sorta meh, between 2.5-3ish with some spikes up to 4k and even 5k which I think is kinda lame considering I've seen some people say they hit higher that than that usually. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong on those stupid cows? Dolls in Altepa are generally better with 3-6k range.

As for outside Abyssea, It really just depends on how much you crit for it to be worth anything. The way I see it is CDC outside is just a use-it-when-you-have-it-thing-but-spell-spamming-is-still-going-to-be-better.

Edit: Is Anwig Salade with dex4/agl4 increase crit hit dmg/ws dmg+2% better than Aias? I've just always used my Salade for ws and Aias for spell casting without Chain Affinity.

Buffalo always seem to be less than ideal to test damage out on in my experience. I didn't see higher than 5.3k on those, but that also would pretty much kill the buffalo from ~95% hp. In most cases I haven't see above 6k unless the mob I'm fighting has over that in hp or around 5.8k at least in HP since otherwise the DA/TA wouldn't get a chance to proc.

Last night helping on buffalo nm and tiger nm I didn't see over the 5.3k mark on buffalo, about 5.6~5.8k on tigers. Usually the ones under 3k were just unlucky non-crits.

Anyway, thanks for answering my question about the gorget. I'll try to get one made and give it a go to see how I like it over Kibura beads. If anything I'm sure the added acc during WS will help.

BLU in my LS has it, is pretty good as a WS even if it is coming from fake empyrean. High dmg the sword itself and high dmg the WS, so imho is totally worth.

does anyone know the proc rate of the aftermath effect? I know a lot of people say its pretty darn high

I thought I recalled hearing that it was 50% using Lv3 aftermath. I don't actually know the numbers though.

Its Closer to 35%, its not 50 thats for sure.

The difference between AM1, AM2, and AM3 is just duration.

AM1 = 30 seconds

AM2 = 60 Seconds

AM3 = 90 Seconds

I knew the duration diff but I had seen some things said about proc rate increase on different levels.

Any testing to verify that it's 35%?

Pretty sure its on BG somewhere, GL finding anything there tho x:

I know... I've been searching since I posted that... If I was at home I'd just test it myself and it would take less time.

I had heard something about proc rate affected by aftermath level as well. Maybe it's a server-wide rumor XD

I was checking a few pages back and saw some use the snow gorget and some use the light gorget ... which is more ideal for CDC?
On wiki, CDC is listed in the Light Gorget page, so was wondering why some peoples are using the Snow Gorget.

They provide the exact same benefits. All gorgets do, as long as the weapon skill you're using is alligned with it.

Edit: I personally however, use Shifting Necklace and Cuchulain's Belt for my CDC set.

Heya all.

I'm about to get almace myself (doing tammuz as we speak) and i have mixed questions.

Is /war that much better than /nin? Some ppl with CDC been telling me /war dmg is more stable (DA trait, berserk, att bonus) but i dont know how how it can be.

/nin i have much better dual wield and 2nd sword (str in this case), can set DA as trait as well + spam triumphant roar, this is why i dont see berser >> DW3 in any way plus some of these peeps as WoE users so their lack of aftermath may benefit /war more.

Thanks.

People who /war are the kinds of people who go and CdC once withe zerk and warcry up and are like "OH look a big number clearly this is better that /nin!" they don't realize the jump from DW1 to DW3 in overall DoT.

I don't count DW2 as useful when any other sub cause if your wasting all those set points for DW2 your an idiot.

Basically what you want to do is sub nin or in solo/cleave situations /rdm.

My preference is sub nin cycle animating wail, battery charge, triumphant roar every time they need to be recasted. And fantod before every CDC.

Setting DW2 isn't THAT bad, I almost always have 3 of the 4 spells equipped, so all I'm needing is one more ._.

lol really, the only one you wouldn't use normally is blazing bound.