Trial Element Staffs VS HQ Staffs?

lol, major fail on my part. I'll own up to not actually looking at them at all, so I had no idea who could and couldn't equip. First thought was ele staves are all, so I never considered these wouldn't be. Heh, my bad!

These trial staffs really suck. Don't ever use them. Nothing will ever replace the HQ staves ever!!!!

PS: Please don't bother checking my profile to see my crafting skill.

imho this is SE trying to force specialisation of people playing jobs.

rather have a NQ prism staff then all the upgrades tbh.

If they release prism staff seperately from ToM i'll rage. If you need to do all 8 ele staves to get it then meh. If they DON't release a prism staff i'll rage.

I'm gonna rage alot.

If I had 8 more inventory slots and was utterly insane I would replace my HQ staves. Just a hell of a lot of work and you can only get potency OR acc and having rdm and blm I need both.

If I ever do it, I'll probably just get a select few. I want to know when we are going to get an all in one staff...

I (if i ever do more then 2 1/2) kept Aquillo's sold jupiters off in a heartbeat. would keep Terras and do macc4 dark. MATKB the rest and sell the other 6 staves.

Couple of things that do annoy me about the new staves:

1. BLU can't use... umm we have magic spells too you know!

2. The final form of the staves that are named are exactly the same whether you do 4:1 or 1:4. Is it possible to have both variants? And even then HOW are macros supposed to recognize which one you meant to use. Like hell I'd want the ACC one if I was nuking. :/

3. No rainbow stave still... I'd have been happy if it did all nukes and was 2:2 like the HQ equivalents...

All we can do it wait...still two updates to go!

There is nothing to stop you getting several of the same element as they are only ex.

This -.- Maybe the sword trials will give us something useful for nukes later on.

I dont think it be too hard to stretch some space for 2 magi damage staves for blm(ice/thunder) and one perp staff for a smns favorite avatar they use the most. 1 magi macc for rdm(ice or earth).

Youd only be giving up 4 total spaces through out your moghouse inventory. Your main inventory on the otherhand shouldnt get affected, you wouldnt be bringing those 2 other staves anyhow, so nothing added, smn, same deal. For rdm it would vary, but at most youd be carrying 1 extra staff vs none on rdm. I think thats manageable. Imo its the best thing to do if you are low on space.

the "Finishing blow 150+ of required element" = nuke to get killing blow?

Correct. You either have to nuke with that element and get killing blow, i.e. get a killing blow with a thunder nuke with the thunder staff if you're doing MAB path, or you have to kill them mob while it's afflicted with a status ailment of that element, i.e. kill the mob while it's afflicted with slow for the earth staff if you're doing MACC path.

Pet mobs can help a ton on this.

Dual weilding int/mab ones will probably already yeild more dmg on a lot of the spells. Hell DWing int/mnd ones already does for a few spells

Has anyone done the Ice trial ? if so where do u go form your trials?

Not yet. But wiki usually has suggestions

RE: Staves and BLU it's just the principle, but again as someone else pointed out looks like SE is forcing people to specialize.

RE: Multiple Staves, my issue was if one were to make x2 Indra's Staff (4:1 and a 1:4) what happens when you hit your nuke macro, how does the game know which one you meant? :/

It doesn't know which one you meant.

Like back when I had to teiwaz's (cure potency and thunder dmg) the vast majority of the time it went to the one I didn't want lol

See that's what I mean... Dammit if SE was going to make us get both versions, the LEAST they could have done is named them differently...

Hey it's better than before the update where there was no difference between the elements lol. Plus there are so few elements that I'd want for dmg AND enfeebling on the same job

eh ill stick with hq's till im absolutely sure on dmg results. plus ***always changes based on mob..

damage results have been out for awhile...

macc wru

I did Ice. umm let me remember.

Grauberg S > teants
Rang pass level sync 37/41 > slimes
50 ice/day > Ulagrand range/level sync 10~15 worms in East ronf S
75 Amorph > as above.
150... > i forgot
200 Vermin > bees in Wajoam
250 crabs > kuftal

ok thanks ^^

Pretty much same as me..

Trial 790 Grauberg (S) - 50 Treants/ Caedarva Mire - Sapplings
Trial 841 Caedarva Mire - 50 Slimes
Trial 842 Uleguerand Range - 50 Anything
Trial 843 Uleguerand Range - 75 Hecteyes in the caves by the ENM key item
Trial 848 Ru'Aun Gardens - 150 Groundskeepers near Despot area, mooched off despot farming groups.
Trial 849 Kuftal Tunnel - 200 lizards, easy to team up with melee
Trial 1708 Wajoam Woodlands - 200 Bees I -Ga spelled 6 bees at once
Trial 1709 Vunkerl Inlet (S) - 250 Robber crabs, EASILY the best area to hunt crabs, shortest respawn least competition, most melee willing to team up.

The key to getting through the trials quickly is to mooch off melee. It took me 3 days to finish this staff playing moderate amounts. Varuna's Staff is more difficult to complete than Indra's, imo.

I still don't get these staffs or how they're calculated. Its odd that affinity 1 = 10% but 2 = 15%. Anything passed the initial 10 is for some reason calculated not as another 10% but 5%? It'd make a lot more sense if it was 8% as the math would be more linear and make more sense as to 4 = 25% (24%). Theres also a poster that states itll add 8-10% depending on your gear, which leads me to believe this isn't calculated as a percentage after the calculation of dmg, but rather a part of it.

It's just like the elemental staffs.

1=NQ
2=HQ

Then just go linerally from there for dmg that would mean

3=20% dmg
4=25% dmg.

The reason you are getting confused is because going from 15-25% staff doesn't increase your dmg by 10%

As staves add a matkb% not flat out matkb the damage+ it adds varies by your gear. If you have 120 matk then +25% would add +30 if you have 150 it adds 37.5.

PS. this is why Mythic Sadly sucks only adding +20 or w/e matk does nothing for a badly geared blm let alone an awesome one.

No clear dmg comparison in this thread, havent checked any other threads and I cant be bothered with other forums most of time anyway :

Jupiters staff attercop spider rest of game is same of course :

thunder4 : 1423, thundaga3 : 1716, burst2 : 1804 thunder3 : 939

Indra staff :

thunder4 : 1555, thundaga3 : 1866, burst 2 : 1952
thunder3 : 1022

No food, no burn, no day bonus.

So thunder3 difference of bout 80 tier4 we're talking 125ish and aga3 and am2 is 150ish.