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Same honestly, and I'd really love to see a DNC COR BRD RDM GEO BLU teamcomp where the BLU tanks and DD's/buffs/debuffs where applicable (and cleaves flans faster?)

But most groups (mine included) would rather just keep getting out maxxed out/tried and true runs and progressing than mess around. No need to re-invent the wheel so to say

I'd be curious to see a video of Prime DRG lead Aminon run, just because. Apples to Apples type comparison.

Speaking of reading comprehension tests: I'm sorry but who the *** said that?


Seems like you think it's me, but I never said anything even remotely close to that.



Again...you don't seem to have understood my point. You either making a list with all the weapons (including primes) or you're not. We're not making a list that's an average of two lists. We're making one list. If it includes primes then that will affect the ranking of the other REMA. YOU are the one flip-flopping on whether or not primes are included, to suit your argument. I insisted that you should be consistent with the way you apply your logic.


Absolutely not. If you rank weapons by "how often do I play this job" it makes the list meaningless. Dropping a weapon's tier because the job isn't in the meta often enough is pointless for someone who's working on their NIN. What do they give a ***if WAR is used in more fights, or DRK is? They are trying to decide between WEAPONS, not JOBS.

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Capping double attack on warrior is very easy. If you're attack capped as well and don't need accuracy either, the difference in these necks is literally 3 strength and 3 dex. I'm not saying you'll parse exactly the same, but this was my reasoning why I didn't bother saving up for or upgrading to the +2. The difference is so minimal in certain situations it makes no difference.

Now what I will state is that the obvious difference between the two necks provides a degree of gearing versatility that allows you to improve or innovate elsewhere, so the +2 is not worthless. But in a parse scenario, it's basically a distinction without a difference that likely won't show up in the parse at all.

RNG/MNK/SAM/DNC/DRG/THF/BST/DRK/NIN were all worth it.

-Some of these are basically "Yo, here is some STP/PDL"
-DRG gets Wyvern DT-25% which is kinda neat.

I was specifically answering mhomho, who said he would prefer war rng and Sam over Gea Buide DRG for Aminon, which seems really strange to me. I wasn't suggesting to go DRG over DNC.

I was playing on the assumption that angon might not get rerolled since youll have jump/spirit/soul/high all competing for resets, entirely possible to get it back atleast once though

The meta is DNC, because its simply the best at dishing out high damage WS's and generating its own tp at the fastest rate... with Steps.... On Top of general utility throughout the run... however you're not wrong.

Initially, before the DNC meta, DRK and THF were the most common DD's to kill aminon. DRK provided stronger drains for more control as well as big numbers on its own. THF had SA/TA WS's, making it similar to DNC, but at a slower pace (but stronger TH for Meso)

After that, most people just simply gave up and settled on the path of least resistance... however, I know for a fact more strategies have been put to use to great or decent success.

There's the single MNK strat, the Double MNK strat, as well as subbing in a DRG as the DD. DRG has access to Convert dmg to TP armor, as well as better jumps as you mentioned which can also drain TP. I know its been done, the problem is that it translates to a slower aminon kill so most dont toy around with it.

Many speculate BLU can replace a tank in the comp as well, and I'm sure other jobs can get it done.

Nariont's point is completely accurate. People just prefer to go with the fastest because it makes the potential for higher Galli per run possible. When given the option of Every other day Aminon vs Every Day aminon, people will pursue a strategy that allows the latter.
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Now as far as this is relevant to a "Weapon Tier List" discussion... i'd rather not contribute to it going off the rails further than it already has. The conversation is already stifled with plenty of debates as to what job is or isnt good, which seems to defeat the point and spirit on the topic.

I dont think its relevant to say Gae Buide is better or worse because theoretically it could be used on a boss, that simply NO ONE uses it for. It's already undeniably the best polearm, so why can't we just leave it at that?

The only real "lacking" thing for ami specifically is no box step to push everyone elses dmg up, you could instead angon, maybe do jump under spirit surge though that means spirit/soul get nerfed so could throw that in towards the end.

Pretty sure any DD can do ami, some will just be faster than others. its just can they do ami + 8 boss effectively

Quite a lot of mid century SF is social commentary. Remember this was the height of the cold war and still quite conscious of the late unlamented House Un-American Activities Committee.

The theme that appears most often in PKD's works is WTF IS real anyway? This starts in his earliest work, way before his druggy period. The first story he wrote "Roog" goes there big time. Its PoV character is a dog.

For those interested in his work I recommend any of his short story collections. Do NOT start with the novel "Valis."

If you're not actually going to participate in the conversation, what are we even doing here? Because I literally said SOME of the Necks aren't worth the full Upgrade. SOME, not ALL, never said none of them. Who here said anything about MNK Neck being not worth it? Wasn't me.

WAR Neck with today's gearing options isn't going to bring any meaningful returns. 5 Acc 5 Atk 3 STR 3 DEX and 1% Double Attack is not going to make a *** to a full Sakpata Set for TP and a Full/Nearly full R25 or R30 Nyame for WS. Again, you keep twisting my words into saying to use a full set of Ambu gear or something silly, literally no one has said that this entire time.

I'll say it again, in a maxed out set it will not matter if your WAR Neck is +1 or +2. It just won't. So if you were a Career DRK or DRG or something and just happen to pop onto WAR for shiggles, having a +1 Neck will not matter. Back when it came out, it was the ***but now? Not so much.

MNK Neck is a different story: Kick Rates, Damage and PDL go up. THATS a good purchase.

GEO Neck increases further increases Loupon Duration and further adds to the Loupon's survivability, thats a good purchase, especially if no Idris.

RDM Neck maximizes Magic Accuracy, Enfeeb Potency, Enfeeb Duration and Ehancing Duration, Thats a good purchase. I would dare say mandatory.

WHM Neck adds more -Enmity, Fast Cast and Cure Potency which are things WHM has an abundance of options for so this one isn't as powerful as the rest. The only hard requirements WHM has is Capped Cure Pot, Some Cure Pot II, Empy Body, Empy Legs, and a capped DT Idle with Refresh, and there's about a dozen ways to get that to make a viable WHM so this one I would say might not be worth one's time. But that's only the opinion of a person who dislikes playing WHM in general so feel free to disregard.

So no, you've been wound up over something you thought I said but didn't because reading isn't your thing.

I said to discern cost vs value, and you somehow got "All HQs are bad.. Opportunity Costs!" Great Job.

I'm pro-gatekeeping on IPs I strongly care about.


I'm glad you came to the conclusion that good literature can sometimes predict change and offer insightful social commentary, which (as I recall) is a different attitude towards the topic from the one you had 2 years ago in a conversation we had.

Changing the lead actor is in the book, that's the whole story. It's the same guy, different body - or should be.

But Anthony Mackie was a wrong choice, and was very jarring compared to Season 1's lead.

Guy probably assigns a static value on converting hallmarks and gallantry to gil.

They recasted the lead actor for some reason that I don't remember. I think they brought in Anthony Mackie and it just tanked. Outside of playing Falcon that guy just doesn't have it.

Looks like he knows a lot more about the material than you. Which probably isn't a high bar to clear.

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I get it. Those are the best sets to you, and you are not the person with the answers. It's okay, actual good players DMed me what I was looking for, I sought advice and got what I needed/wanted. And as far as everything you said, I didnt read it, but by the word count I think you are angry. Good luck in life man, it will work out for you. <3

That second season of altered carbon fell off hard though.

Ender's game, the movie skips half the book, the entire B story.

Simon, if you want to objectively end the discussions: mathout every weapon's DPS and then math out the presumed percentile increase of each support weapon. I'm just spit balling, but if Honor is over a 15% increase to your team's overall damage whereas a weapon is +/-5% you could make a very clearly objective tier list base upon numbers.

For you question? Aminon.

Yeah, this is a potential concern. For Limbus, since I'm stuck with 3 trusts, I usually use Sylvie, Monberaux, and Arciela, none of them interrupt me. For other content, I like to use King of Hearts and Qultada, and yeah, sometimes Qultada can get in the way. He doesn't build TP nearly as fast as me, so it's usually not a big concern, but something to be mindful of.


Yes, exactly this.

You're choosing to spend time doing Ambu and not doing other things.

Which is the entire point. You're spending a currency, which is your time.

If you had a better gil making thing to do, would you not do that? Would that not then change what you think a +2 is worth?

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I am a HUGE P. K. *** fan. I read the book long before the movie came out. I liked the movie and I understand just why *** trashed the movie.

1, The movie took vast liberties with his plot.

2, The movie had a hero. P. K. ***'s works rarely have have heroes.

3, The name of the book is "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" The name, Bladerunner, was bought from an Alan E. Nourse book.



I also understand why he came around to liking the movie.

While the move did rewrite much of the plot it stayed true to his vision and the questions proposed in the book. None of those questions were the title question BTW.

IMHO the movie was much more accessible* than the book. ***'s books and even his short stories can be heavy reading.

*in the literary meaning.

This thread has convinced me to buy a GEO neck +2 for my mule and augment it at some point, so it wasn't entirely a waste of words.

Ah yes, Afania knows that people ***on the film that was released in [checks notes] 1982.

Buying a +2 neck is a great idea. Buying heroism crystals is a terrible idea.

Here we go again... again? Do you want to tier weapons or jobs? Where would you want to bring war Sam rng and drk over drg and why?