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He should not spoil the thread, he should just wait a few days instead. Have some patience, and let others have some fun with it.
He knows full well people enjoy finding this stuff out, he just has wiki mind and ruins everything instantly. He knows many people who complain about how everything being solved and keeps on doing it, they ruin it for themselves and are disappointed because they lack self control to not click it.
I've done this in the past, but at least I try to stop myself doing it all the time cause I know it's a bad thing for the community.
In the almost 10 years he's posted these update threads, why are there only complaints now? I, for one, love to engage with everyone about how ***the game is only to be online 24/7 like a crack addict afterward.
But people won't see this post because my pfp doesn't have boobies like fonewear.
i mean the answer is pretty obvious. radial is king SE simp and the gear sucks *** |
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Is it wishful thinking that I'm still hoping that SE realized they made a mistake and will be making more changes to the +4? Maybe a means to "augment" it via certain paths?
This is exactly the opportunity SE needed to "adjust" certain jobs to make them more useable in end-game content...
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datamining has been MMO culture for the better part of 20 years at this point  |
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In the almost 10 years he's posted these update threads, why are there only complaints now?
***sucks and I've ignored it for ages cause I didn't wanna hurt someones feelings, however I hope he will have some restraint in future and wait a couple of days going forward.
It's undeniable that people do like the mystery of it, and do yearn for the days when everything wasn't solved the moment it's dropped.
A similar thing happened not long ago with Fextralife where they got an early review code for PoE2, and then spoiled the game on their wiki site in every way possible. People were outraged at them. |
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By ibkee on 2025-06-10 07:01:08 |
Surely people weren't genuinely expecting more significant upgrades than this right off the bat? Not sure I understand where the disappointment is coming from otherwise. The upgrades look fine, in line with what I expected given the lack of NMs at this stage and how easy - relatively - it should be to upgrade to them. +5 isn't confirmed though. This might be it.
We might get +5, or some other way to Augment. But even if we don't the upgrade process is way too easy to justify the kind of massive upgrades people seem to want here.
I've seen posts of people who apparently hoped we were going to get Odyssey-tier equipment which is genuinely insane. That's leaving aside the fact that most Artifact and Relic will always have a place in gearsets due to their unique benefits anyway. |
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+5 isn't confirmed though. This might be it.
You're right, it isn't confirmed. But the producer has hinted at +5, one of the goals of Limbus is to make AF and Relic "in line with Empyrean Armor". This paired with the fact the they've said multiple times, Limbus will get future updates with future rewards, all stands to reason. |
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FFXI and every online game was better before wikishit, but it's a pandora's box of ***and once you have it you have to use it.
Knowing that though, the people who run them should have some self control and give the community some time to enjoy it.
This is partly why people stay up late at night to do content before wiki people ruin everything, also why everyone wants to get games day 1 before everything is known.
This isn't so much about don't do it, but more wait a couple of days and let others have some fun before you do your thing.
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He should not spoil the thread, he should just wait a few days instead. Have some patience, and let others have some fun with it.
He knows full well people enjoy finding this stuff out, he just has wiki mind and ruins everything instantly. He knows many people who complain about how everything being solved and keeps on doing it, they ruin it for themselves and are disappointed because they lack self control to not click it.
I've done this in the past, but at least I try to stop myself doing it all the time cause I know it's a bad thing for the community.
In the almost 10 years he's posted these update threads, why are there only complaints now? I, for one, love to engage with everyone about how ***the game is only to be online 24/7 like a crack addict afterward.
But people won't see this post because my pfp doesn't have boobies like fonewear. |
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By K123 on 2025-06-10 06:55:52 |
Surely people weren't genuinely expecting more significant upgrades than this right off the bat? Not sure I understand where the disappointment is coming from otherwise. The upgrades look fine, in line with what I expected given the lack of NMs at this stage and how easy - relatively - it should be to upgrade to them. +5 isn't confirmed though. This might be it. |
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He should not spoil the thread, he should just wait a few days instead. Have some patience, and let others have some fun with it.
He knows full well people enjoy finding this stuff out, he just has wiki mind and ruins everything instantly. He knows many people who complain about how everything being solved and keeps on doing it, they ruin it for themselves and are disappointed because they lack self control to not click it.
I've done this in the past, but at least I try to stop myself doing it all the time cause I know it's a bad thing for the community.
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By K123 on 2025-06-10 06:55:07 |
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Still don't know how the event works (I let my accounts close yesterday in expectation this was going to be ***).
You can earn up to 50k points per week, 100k cap if you don't use them?
How many can you make per hour?
Do you need to rise to top floor to use the upgrader?
Also realised all the WSD pieces are kinda irrelevant granted Nyame also has DT for anything that matters. They should add DT to the WSD AF and Relic pieces at +5. If there is no +5 then I'm glad to stop playing until there is some more interesting new content again.
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By ibkee on 2025-06-10 06:53:53 |
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Surely people weren't genuinely expecting more significant upgrades than this right off the bat? Not sure I understand where the disappointment is coming from otherwise. The upgrades look fine, in line with what I expected given the lack of NMs at this stage and how easy - relatively - it should be to upgrade to them.
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I know what it is, I'm talking to Funk. I'm asking him to have some self control and wait a couple of days, so others can try figure stuff out and these kinds of threads are enjoyable for the community. Let other people have some glory.
Instead of him telling everything with tools day 1, he isn't even figuring this stuff out by playing as everyone else does. He is just using tools.
It does not matter if I or someone else doesn't click the thread (for the record this stuff doesn't bother me, but I know this kind of secret and mystery is fun to others), it's no longer a mystery for the community and that is robbing some fun from the everyone so one person working on a wiki can get the dopamine hit. Which is exactly what it is btw, i know how wiki people minds work.
... what? datamining has been MMO culture for the better part of 20 years at this point - part of the ride is hyping up for the disappointment. sure, the thread may not have a spoiler tag, but he's done enough of these threads at this point that i feel like you should know what you're getting into when you click on it... |
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I know what it is, I'm talking to Funk. I'm asking him to have some self control and wait a couple of days, so others can try figure stuff out and these kinds of threads are enjoyable for the community. Let other people have some glory.
Instead of him telling everything with tools day 1.
It does not matter if I or someone else doesn't click the thread (for the record this stuff doesn't bother me, but I know this kind of secret and mystery is fun to others), it's no longer a mystery for the community (and I know a lot of people like that) and that is robbing some fun from the everyone so one person working on a wiki can get the dopamine hit. Which is exactly what it is btw, i know how wiki people minds work. I know how the internet works you dont have to read the stuff its not that deep more people wanna know than dont wanna know. Again nothing but yourself got you to this post. If someone doesnt wanna see it just dont go to it. |
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These upgrades wouldn't be less bad, nor people less disappointed, if they discovered things "naturally" rather than via datamining.
It's asinine to complain about "spoilers" when (1) nothing here is story-related or anything a reasonable person would want to experience blind, and (2) you're here voluntarily. Want that organic sense of discovery? Go have it.
It sucks that SE squandered people's excitement for this patch, especially off the resurgence from the Bonanza weapons, but it is what it is. No need to whine about the negativity when it's earned. Extricate yourself if it's bumming you out. |
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I'm just gonna say it:
These data mining threads are bad, posting every single piece of gear in a patch is bad. One of the things XI endgame players like to do is figure this stuff out and post the loot, and people posting pictures etc. When you make a data mining thread and just do it with tools outside of the game, you're robbing the community of finding the stuff out naturally over the coming days.
Someone like Velner, or whoever should be posting pics. Not someone with dat mining tools.
This is like having a scavenger event, and someone comes along and posts everything in all the chest an hour after it's announced and before anyone even put their shoes on to go hunt.
Something people always complain about is "the game is already solved!" etc, that's what this is. This is why devs of games normally find ways to stop players doing this stuff, and they are probably doing it here too by staggering the quality of the rewards based on NM kills too. In effect the reason the gear has no stats, is cause they know you're gonna do it and they want to hide it for a while.
At the very least, stuff like this should wait a few days before posting everything new in the patches. This instant desire to solve everything and post everything without even stepping foot into the game, with outside tools is not a positive thing when it's done to this level over and over. Most people who even say they want this and read it, don't really want it cause it's ruining the fun of finding the stuff out naturally over the coming days.
There is no mystery to anything, cause you're so fixated with exposing everything there is within 2 hours of the patch dropping. As I said, most people will say they want it and be mad I'm saying this but it's still ruining any new content added to the game.
Hear me out…. If you want the surprise don’t read the threads. Let people post the findings for us who would like to see them and plan. |
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True, gained a lot of evasion and magic evasion as well as a little MDB.
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So basically the gear is not super worth seems. Again I think the order they released this stuff is years late. With them adding odyssey gear it way before this stuff came out makes it even more apparent. Enjoy the content for the content not for the gear.
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Looks like everything got a nice evasion and magic evasion boost of +25 to +40 which is nice at least compared to the rest of the stat increases
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I'm so *** disappointed aside from maybe 1 or 2 pieces.
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By Rairin on 2025-06-10 05:45:50 |
Why else would they add an NM system? Homam and Nashira equivalents?
The gear is disappointing; though it does bring m.eva up to par. Some of the mage pieces have best in slot m.eva now, not that it's reason enough to use them. Given the content is basically a walk in the park, it seems intentional. I doubt they're going to unseat Sortie/Odyssey gear with things that are totally soloable.
Still a letdown. Both the content and the rewards. Hopefully next patch is more interesting. |
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I wouldn't hold my breath for it, but I wouldn't rule it out completely either.
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How much do you expect the items to change from +4 to +5 given the change from +3 to +4. I already said it. I consider the jump from +4 to +5 equal to the +3>+4 jump.
+10 HP/MP, +5Def, +1 "skill", +1 MDB, +10 attack, +5 Acc/Macc, etc etc |
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By Dodik on 2025-06-10 05:40:41 |
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How much do you expect the items to change from +4 to +5 given the change from +3 to +4.
Empy armor was already tons better at +2 over +1. The +3 upgrade was relatively minor compared to +2.
I guess they could subvert expectations and have the +5 be the big upgrade.
But do you really want to have your hopes completely destroyed like that?
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Mobs are easy to sleep and enfeeble. But there is some fun to be had. Apollyon SW is full of mobs which can be silenced, but are not silent.
Imps, brains, demons, eyes. You silence them all and it does nothing. Kinda funny.
Oh - things with true sight before still have it now. Be careful running through to the end.
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Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk said: »I didn't need to read this thread to be really disappointed with the update. I reviewed my favorite job gear and really let down.
Yes, I ONLY expected to bring stats up to par w/ end game gear stats... as far as stats go..
No, I'm disappointed by not fixing what could be fixed.
Ankusa Jackcoat +4 gains 1 point of MDB. that is the ONLY change.
None of the Ankusa pieces got any pet accuracy or any pet improvements at all. which means the pet stats are still completely useless.
On the 2 totemic pieces with pet attack, we gain 5 pet attack each. Pets are attack starved, and these are the 2 biS pet attack pieces already, but we don't get any significant pet attack increase.
I don't really expect SE to +5 any of this gear in the future. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect it.
Bst pets are
prioritizing a list of gear to upgrade is easy. just upgrade the wsd pieces. It should not need to be said, but they are obviously going to add additional stats later when they add the NM system. Why else would they add an NM system? |
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By Xilk on 2025-06-10 05:33:48 |
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I didn't need to read this thread to be really disappointed with the update. I reviewed my favorite job gear and really let down.
Yes, I ONLY expected to bring stats up to par w/ end game gear stats... as far as stats go..
No, I'm disappointed by not fixing what could be fixed.
Ankusa Jackcoat +4 gains 1 point of MDB. that is the ONLY change.
None of the Ankusa pieces got any pet accuracy or any pet improvements at all. which means the pet stats are still completely useless.
On the 2 totemic pieces with pet attack, we gain 5 pet attack each. Pets are attack starved, and these are the 2 biS pet attack pieces already, but we don't get any significant pet attack increase.
I don't really expect SE to +5 any of this gear in the future. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect it.
Bst pets are
prioritizing a list of gear to upgrade is easy. just upgrade the wsd pieces.
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These +4 pieces didn't add any really stats or I'm tripping???
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Easy to sleep. Horde Lullaby worked
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This seems to be a nicer area for newer/casual players, if they are willing to group up (3 trust limit). It's a nicer spot for farming job points than grinding apex, and seems comparable xp/cp/mlev
To enter (for new players or returnees):
You enter Sea from the entry points at Holla/Dem/Mea crags, if you don't already have the home points (each take you to a different part of the map).
You obtain the key item to enter, either by killing the Aw'euvhi or by touching the ??? at H-5 (Temenos) or D-8 / l-8 for (Apollyon)
The home point is right next to the entrance, once you have the key item.
Once inside you talk to the operator, set the level you want and go up (119-30). As you start they are DC (if you picked 119)and get higher level as you to later levels, upto VT+.
Someone already said there's the same -90% AoE damage on target different from the main one.
What about the typical debuffs? Do they sleep easily or immune? |
