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Thank you for this, I didn't realize there was a page for this topic! This saved me a ton of time, so it's much appreciated.

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Ooh, so it was a bit less than 8k for 130 and ~9k for 135.
That felt like a bigger difference to me, but it totally is not I suppose.

I haven't done 135 but assuming they followed the same formula (+10 per level per floor) it would be:
Temenos:
(21*220) + (4*390) + 3000
9,180 for 135 -> 7,930 for 130 -> 5,180 for 119
Apollyon:
(10*288) + (8*356) + 3000
8,728 for 135 -> 7,828 for 130 -> 5,848 for 119

I have but we didn't bring anyone matching the NM's job as far as I recall (it was a few hours after they were introduced, probably first kill on the server). Is there some special mechanic I missed from that?

In any case, I did intend it as an additional layer of challenge which is appropriate given the larger reward. If I'd wanted to make it easy I'd have just suggested it take 4x damage from Naegling.

Have you seen how many people are having an aneurysm over losing 3 minutes' worth of EP? To answer more directly: Yes. People would 1000% be bitching if SE made these NMs spawn at JP midnight and give a unit bonus.


Depends on the server but I can all but guarantee they'd be dead within an hour on Asura/Bahamut. On Carbuncle there are normally several yells with the position and job of the NMs, asking for cooperation in killing them (in JP) so...I'm not saying they die, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. Mind you this is with "0 reward" aka the current system.

Oh yeah, well how come I have Pinga legs and they aren't in my BLU FC set, huh? (seriously, thanks for the correction lol)


Very well put. I feel like pretty much everyone here gets that, but nice explanation. I might have to save that for some of my friends who are FFXIVers stopping by to visit Vana'diel (a surprisingly large number of them, these days).

And honestly, this is probably THE #1 reason I've been playing XI for 20+ years. The depth that comes from having a multitude of different pieces that all remain useful for different purposes is fascinating to me.

I'm imaging a world in which they gave these things 2k points as a bonus for killing them, and the hundreds of posts in this thread complaining about how they can't play during JP midnight and how unfair it is they're missing out on these units and how *** stupid SE is for this design.

It's very amusing to me how much the community would rip their own ideas apart, if they came from SE instead of themselves.

Possibly, but in timed events like Odyssey or Sortie you can't apply the time gains from the porter moogle to your timer inside the event, so this comparison kinda falls apart.

I think "bis" is a bit of a silly term in FFXI as well, sure, but there are definitely bis pieces for plenty of sets (WAR relic head for Warcry) and, crucially, for a specific set of circumstances there is still a bis piece for each action for each slot.

"bis" in other games might be "never take it out of this slot" but in this game it means "best in slot for this particular action under these particular circumstances." If you don't understand that (not referring to anyone in particular here) then you have a misunderstanding about the way FFXI works, IMO.

If only there was some Limbus-related currency that these NMs could drop a sizeable chunk of, but then they'd have to design a whole system to spend that currency, probably like new gear upgrades for every job, there's no way they'd have time to build that.

Sarcasm aside, even if they dropped as many points as a `???` I bet folks would be much more likely to participate. Make it like DI where it's based on participation and not just being alive when the thing dies.

Also definitely 100% drop rate when 100% of the NMs were killed last month; it just makes sense consider opening a chest means ~25 teleports and 500+ kills.

Bonus: NM drops more points for every player matching its job. Could lead to some fun shouts for lesser played jobs and a chance for folks to dust off the old SMN or BST for this.

BIS doesn't really work for FFXI. In other games, all your stats are coming from gear that scales based on item level. We don't have uniform stats on our gear sets and we long since left the trend of ilvl gear scaling anyway.

Best in situation is probably more applicable for FFXI, but who wants to make a guide with the 50 different TP sets you might need depending on whether you need to maximize damage, rush 3k effective, not die to AoE or magical damage, deal with the 2H MNK that turned on you.... ect.


Beyond a certain point, the amount of time you save rotating your gear optimally is about the same amount of time you'd save if you skipped going to the moogle and putting away slips...

Make the rate 100% for killing all 44 NMs and I'd personally go out and kill all 44.

I've not asked you to provide math (I said mapped). I asked you to provide proof (which you implied you had).

Is that not obviously condescending?

Not to dig up this corpse of a post but....

BLU is also on Pinga, so their BiS FC legs are Pinga+1 with 13 FC, not Enif Cosciales. Not even close.

Sorry this is a few days late. I've bolded the statement that really proves my point above. If you hit attack cap without soul voice on floors 1,2,3, then why would you use soul voice on those floors and not save it for the 1 floor that you need it to stay attack capped. If you don't have soul voice on floor 4, then don't use PDL at all, which was my whole thing.

How many situations have you mapped out in the game where you know that you can use 10% PDL but not 20% PDL. Do you know any? I don't.

Boy, if only you were on your server. Then it could help you.

We definitely are.


Absolutely. I suppose what I was trying to say is that using the sim vs. an eyeball approach helps to quantify the difference between two pieces for whatever specific metric you're interested in.

In this case, simming Tali'ah/Gleti's/Malignance and comparing average rounds to WS would allow for a more precise picture than "6 TA > 11 STP, ergo BiS".

I don't think older gear being omitted from the sim tool was meant as a snub for casual players, more that those players aren't looking to min/max their sets enough for a sim tool to be useful.

Kinda surprised they havent popped up a +3 or reforged ambu set to keep them relevant as starer gear, but i guess theres not enough ody/sortie level content yet.

Lack of exercise is the leading cause of flab.

Starch is a great source of energy, but that energy needs to be spent.

Life is the leading cause of death.

Starch, especially combined with fat, is the leading cause of flab.

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I, for one, enjoy tanking Halos on WHM.

The problem is theres no incentive to be the group to be the ones to kill the NM's. Its not even like people doing the climb can just jump in if they see someone fighting them because they're built with so much OHKO potential. So soloers and groups doing the climb wont be prepared to fight them, and theres no safe way to just jump in and assist, which is what SE envisioned would happen based on the fact they made claim irrelevant on them and anyone can jump in.

You realize you're talking about freaking precast gear here, right? You shouldn't be sitting in a fast cast body long enough to be eating a bunch of physical damage as a WHM doing a segment run, unless you're using the WHM to pull whole packs and supertank them or something. Blame yourself or God the party if your WHM is eating physical damage in a segment run, not the Inyanga body.

Are you gonna say you'd prefer BRDs to just sing shorter songs every time to avoid OH NO, AMBUSCADE GEAR I MIGHT TAKE A PHYSICAL HIT due to using their BiS song duration legs? Because that would be pretty foolish! And guess what, I have indeed been hit with physical damage before when singing BRD songs. I still want my longer songs, thanks. And they're AMBUSCADE GEAR. Whoops, I forgot to throw it in the trash because I'm too good for Ambu gear.

As someone who has MM45, top end gear, completely solo, even at V0, the T3s are still quite challenging as a solo, and I have died a few times soloing them. I doubt many "casual players" can kill most or all of the T3s for a set of armor; it's not a simple dps kill.

Now I do agree the Odyssey sets are way better than anything else, and they should grab those sets and make them their priority vs previous sets.