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I have this view that, like Odyssey V30 gear, it was intended to last 2-4 years. They ruined those plans when they introduced Moogle Amplifiers and the RP bonus for 3. Limbus is all we have for the foreseeable future, and I assume with new Su5 sets, they decided instead of allowing you to cheese RP like they did with Odyssey sets (and everyone finish in a month), they imposed weekly caps to prolong the content for 2+ years, the way Odyssey was supposed to be longer. I can only imagine how long it would have taken to cap R30 Sakpatas, Mpaca, Ikenga's, Bunzi's, and Gleti's (including the weapons) if not for amplifiers.

I feel like they did the math on these sets and decided they would take just about as long as Odyssey sets would have taken to cap, if there was no amplifier bonus introduced. So even if it takes 8 months to cap a set or whatever it is (its crazy long, I agree), it's all there is left to do in this game once you made primes and finished Odyssey gear. They haven't announced anything after Limbus, so for all we know, this is all we're getting this year besides Trust updates. So if you plan on continuing to play in 2026, what else exactly are you going to do besides Limbus? It's literally all there is, lol.

The grind is not going anywhere, but I still don't feel like any of that devalues the gear in any way. Discourages people, maybe.

I didn’t. He said Limbus is easily soloed. Yes for chest but not for units. Soloing units adds considerable time to the grind.

I also agree stage4 primes are WAY more valuable than stage 5.

You would need to be extremely lucky to have a static, that will make 9 boss runs and just run 110 times per 6 months.

Most of the groups runs more and at static schedule. you cant really decide you want to stop doing sortie for 2 months and just go back to grinding it, because you group will replace you or break (again someone maybe have an luxury to play in group of friends that will play around you, but saying it's normal would be a lie).
People in 9boss groups really have no idea how hard is to join one and how much dedication it would require (including arranging your time in RL to be able to attend events). It's easier if you don't have a family too, but many of us have wives and kids.

Like Buukki said, Limbus can be done while watching netlfix etc. basically whenever you want. You can also stop farming it for whatever time you need and just go back how many times you want.

Hours vs months is all I’m saying.

110 sortie runs with 6 months to do it.

500 Limbus run. You Can’t really solo rank20+ due to unit cost.

100% a personal preference.

If you break it down in hours not months its a large difference.

Prime5 is 110 hours per plus Psyche. (9boss group)
Alabaster ear is 40-60 hours for 30 matters. (speed and luck)
Sworn is close to double that PER piece. (Apollyon is faster than Temenos) 500 hours?
Gil items depend on Luck and whatever else you do. The first week of Limbus drops was an easy 100mil.

Thank you. Didn't know they couldn't spawn if all Windy zones weren't controlled. I figured since I could kill the beastmen in Keep and Baileys when Xarc and Beau weren't controlled, it was the same for the 3 beastmen strongholds too.

Thank you for the polite response.

I cant even sim that. I deleted such trash gear from the sim XD

Funny, most of it is:
Dynamis - Fetters
Aita/Gartell/Aminon - Fetters
Odyssey Gaol T3/Bumba - Fetters

If what you are referring to is content like Ambuscade, MLs, or Seg Farming on C1-3, then it doesn't really matter what you wear because the mobs are so weak they die just the same, whether you're highly defensive or not. In which case, you're unlikely to gain a significant advantage loading up on solely dps gear because the mobs are fodder, anyways. But that's just me being humorous, and besides the point.

I'm not even specifically making the defensive argument. I am just wondering how Sworn set can be deemed "not worth" when it has better stats than Sakpata's set pretty much across the board. I'd even argue Sworn set is a much better set for DRK when Last Resort is down. Unless the argument is it's not worth the time, then if that's the case, what is?

I have iGeo!!

This conversation comes up from time to time with the usual suspects and it cracks me up every time.

The *** are you guys doing where you need to go in with bubble wrap anytime you step out your Mog House? Put a disclaimer if needed. New groups / groups with weak links probably need to run on the safer side. Experienced groups / players know when they can drop the turtle sets based on the content they're doing. The Sworn set is great for the same reason Sakpata is, but better. Those of you who love to compare numbers, look at what the difference is between a currently accepted turtle set with Sakpata vs Sworn set.

You guys act like every content in this game is Omega/Ultima with constant fetters active lmao.

And there it is, the one thing.

They're not called rangers because they attack from range. It's because they range around scouting and hunting.

Sorry for picking nits but there it is.

And about as much HP as them to boot

Dodik about to see that set and bury himself six feet, just so he can roll in his grave...

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TP gain is pretty incredible with this set. Works great on PLD as well especially in Sortie.

Best thing was showing up in the dunes as an Elvaan on a mage job with double astral rings and more mp than a taru of that level.

So much /checking.

Now I want this spell dammit

Taru RSE was loaded with HP so was situationally useful for tanks if my memory's right. Feel like i had some of the elvaan pieces for dex WS' too just due to lack of better options at the time

Sortie bitzer can get into a race condition and do a sort of half warp, seen it a few times. Usually down to lag.

Usually it's one of

* warped downstairs but no bitzers work from downstairs either to go to boss or go back up, just warp you back to entry bitzer
* clicked bitzer to go downstairs, it didn't work, now no bitzers upstairs work anymore.

Exiting sortie is the only thing that would work in both cases.

I should be *** off to the gym, but I'm invested

Looking at the absolute peak StoreTP pieces available to drk (from FFXIAH, so augmented items wont show up, this really needs to be a feature though)

head:
Hjarrandi Helm 99 119 [Head] All Races
DEF:125 HP+114 STR+32 DEX+21 VIT+44 AGI+16 INT+26 MND+29 CHR+38 Accuracy+41 Attack+45 Magic Accuracy+43 Evasion+38 Magic Evasion+53 "Magic Def. Bonus"+8 "Double Attack"+6% "Store TP"+7 Damage taken -10%
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK DRG

Sulevia's Mask +2 99 119 [Head] All Races
DEF:123 HP+40 MP+40 STR+33 DEX+19 VIT+40 AGI+12 INT+11 MND+22 CHR+22 Accuracy+44 Attack+48 Evasion+27 Magic Evasion+43 "Magic Def. Bonus"+1 Haste+3% "Store TP"+10 Damage taken -6% Set: Enhances "Subtle Blow" effect
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK DRG

Flam. Zucchetto +2 99 119 [Head] All Races
DEF:123 HP+80 MP+20 STR+36 DEX+32 VIT+24 AGI+16 INT+12 MND+12 CHR+12 Accuracy+44 Magic Accuracy+44 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+53 "Magic Def. Bonus"+3 Haste+4% "Triple Attack"+5% "Store TP"+6 Set: Increases Strength, Dexterity, and Vitality
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK SAM DRG


Body:
Crepuscular Mail 99 119 [Body] All Races
DEF:189 HP+159 STR+50 DEX+33 VIT+50 AGI+33 INT+32 MND+36 CHR+34 Accuracy+55 Attack+20 Magic Accuracy+55 Evasion+94 Magic Evasion+102 "Magic Def. Bonus"+9 Haste+2% "Store TP"+10 "Refresh"+2 Set: Auto-Reraise
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK BST SAM DRG

Hjarrandi Breast. 99 119 [Body] All Races
DEF:155 HP+228 STR+38 DEX+24 VIT+51 AGI+19 INT+24 MND+29 CHR+35 Accuracy+47 Attack+53 Magic Accuracy+29 Evasion+47 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus"+10 "Store TP"+10 Critical hit rate +13% Damage taken -12%
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK DRG


Hands:
Flam. Manopolas +2 99 119 [Hands] All Races
DEF:111 HP+60 MP+15 STR+23 DEX+46 VIT+35 AGI+8 INT+7 MND+24 CHR+17 Accuracy+43 Magic Accuracy+43 Evasion+36 Magic Evasion+48 "Magic Def. Bonus"+2 Haste+4% "Store TP"+6 Critical hit rate +8% Set: Increases Strength, Dexterity, and Vitality
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK SAM DRG

(I know I said no auged pieces, but Buukki referenced it already)
Sakpata's Gauntlets
DEF:146 HP+91 MP+53 STR+24 DEX+35 VIT+46 INT+14 MND+33 CHR+26
Accuracy+40 Attack+40 Magic Accuracy+40 Evasion+52 Magic Evasion+112 "Magic Def. Bonus"+6 Haste+4%
"Double Attack"+6% "Subtle Blow"+8 Damage taken -8% Physical damage limit +6%
20x: Rank 30 [1] Attack+30 [2] "Store TP"+8 [3] Accuracy+15 Mag. Acc+15 [4] VIT+5


Legs:
Flamma Dirs +2 99 119 [Legs] All Races
DEF:135 HP+100 MP+25 STR+53 DEX+11 VIT+29 AGI+16 INT+24 MND+14 CHR+11 Accuracy+45 Magic Accuracy+45 Evasion+41 Magic Evasion+86 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+4% "Store TP"+8 Potency of "Cure" effect received +9% Set: Increases Strength, Dexterity, and Vitality
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK SAM DRG

Volte Tights 99 119 [Legs] All Races
DEF:127 HP+118 STR+46 VIT+8 AGI+47 INT+21 MND+7 CHR+11 Accuracy+38 Ranged Accuracy+38 Evasion+74 Magic Evasion+107 "Magic Def. Bonus"+6 Haste+9% "Snapshot"+5 "Store TP"+8 "Subtle Blow"+8
LV 99 WAR MNK RDM THF PLD DRK BST BRD RNG SAM NIN DRG BLU COR PUP DNC RUN


Feet:
Carmine Greaves +1 99 119 [Feet] All Races
DEF:79 HP+15 STR+14 DEX+16 VIT+15 AGI+33 MND+11 CHR+28 Evasion+52 Magic Evasion+80 "Magic Def. Bonus"+3 Haste+4% "Double Attack"+4% "Fast Cast"+8% "Store TP"+8 "Conserve MP"+8 Set: Increases Accuracy
LV 99 RDM PLD DRK RNG DRG BLU COR RUN

Flam. Gambieras +2 99 119 [Feet] All Races
DEF:93 HP+40 MP+10 STR+31 DEX+34 VIT+20 AGI+26 MND+6 CHR+20 Accuracy+42 Magic Accuracy+42 Evasion+74 Magic Evasion+86 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+2% "Double Attack"+6% "Store TP"+6 Set: Increases Strength, Dexterity, and Vitality
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK SAM DRG

Post the sets you're comparing. Don't just say "you're giving up a lot of STP". Show me.

Absolutely nothing about that set stands out to me for Drk.
+41 enspell is nice and all, but one crit will do more than 1min of enspell damage.
Triple attack is nice, but you're giving up ALL STP for it.
Fast cast is again nice, but does nothing for your parse.

What am I missing that makes you recommend this set for drk?

I'm skipping Sworn. Its very good for sure, but no way is it worth the grind.

Full STP and Ampulla is ridiculous TP gain. Lots of ways to achieve a solid set especially if you are open to Nyame A in a couple slots.

Sworn set is 100% worth the grind.

One of the best limbus sets for every job on it

Something similar happened to us 2 days ago.
Guy was interacting with the Bitzer to go into E basement.
Was getting the teleport animation, but then he was back in front of the bitzer.
Also tried relogging, superwarp, manual, nothing.

Everything fine for now (after the monthly patch though, supposing that had anything to do with it)

Any of the limbus gear worth getting for drk? I mean it all seems good but idk about months of grinding good?

eastern canada, yeah

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