Populism And Nationalism On The Rise In Europe

There's always going to be parallels, so long as they're left as examples and don't become the entirety of the conversation, it shouldn't cause problems.


I think it's been so long since we fought a war at home and are almost continuously engaged abroad that Americans have lost perspective of what war really means to the people on the ground. We shouldn't have trouble understanding how powerful grudges can be, though, Al Qaeda and IS are pretty glaring examples of that.

I wasn't being sarcastic - I really do not know enough about French internal politics. Everything I do know is based on what the news reports. Also, the fact that I don't speak or read French makes it very hard for me to follow nuances. The media mentions nothing about Christian Estrosi. I spent a couple of hours trying to search for some English language media reports and couldn't find ***. The media demonized La Pen and FN, but they reported nothing on Estrosi. This could have been orchestrated (a smokescreen).

Oh yeah don't worry, I didn't think you were being sarcastic.

Estrosi as mayor of Nice cemented his reputation and basically reached FN tier status. The only difference is that he's not part of FN. That's it.

Our PS (socialist) has been acting and talking like the FN would, or even worse (saying that only Jews are true French citizens, for example), and UMP (now "republicans", literally) have been seducing the people voting for FN in order to win/stay afloat. It's been working both ways, FN voters going for PS and UMP.

The only difference nowadays is that FN voters are finally voting for FN. And you know what Sarkozy said on the election day? "Voting FN is perfectly fine and a good citizen act, they're good people". He's trying to steal FN's voters to bring them to UMP, again.

As long as someone isn't from FN, he will never be demonized, ever. See Laurent Fabius, among other examples. DSK is the only exception but that's because he was about to become president.

so out of the frying pan and into the fire basically? people abandoned a right winger party for a far right party, got it. And now the mainstream centeralist politicians are bandwagoning the right-far right's messages?


Yeah that sucks... sucks bad. Hello Fascist France.

A few weeks ago after the Paris attacks he suggested the west should just exterminate countries that have terrorists. Not sure what his stance is now

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/47743/11132015-paris-terrorist-attack/2#2999891

That's funny since most of the terrorist were French lol...France going to exterminate itself?

Genocide is always the answer.

Puppeteers aren't French nor was the idea ever born here. Why would you kill the puppets when most RPGs teach you not to?

You going to destroy America? They have home grown terrorism as well, that dwarfs foreign terrorism.
This becomes problematic because of 2 reasons:
1)lol good luck throwing your croisants at the world's strongest military
2) Isn't ISIS also calling for the same thing?

Insert meme "That moment you realize you and the terrorists agree".

Now proceed to commit suicide to stand by your words, you terrorist.

I can't tell if you're being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE on purpose.

The US is a cancer that is underground, unlike ISIS. If I learned one thing in FFXI is that whether you're the bad guy or not, if you're loud, you're ***. If ISIS had kept their terrorism within their countries, they'd be "fine" by international's standards. Also, the US is a cancer that can't be attacked right now, unlike ISIS, again. Whether or not US's disappearance would be a good thing is another topic entirely (speaking about the country/state, not its inhabitants, before any pleb comes crying about genocides) and I personally have no opinion on this matter right now. I'm not really looking into having one, on the surface it's a dead end like politics.

If you'd like to talk about US's behaviour/actions and how bad they are, I guess you can make a thread about it and you'll have a lot of people agreeing with you, me included. But I think it's wrong to compare apples and oranges, especially in this thread.

The root of the mentality we are (mostly) all against isn't US made either. I have no idea why you focus on any of the Western countries. Sure, the West created some cancers that are ruining humanity right now, but extreme Islam practices aren't Western made. This mentality is born where people who practice a certain kind of Islam are allowed to follow said mentality.
In certain Mosquées in France, said ill mentality is fed daily thanks to certain ill intended imams. However, they didn't invent any of it. They didn't come up with it, it comes from a very specific part of the world and more importantly, very specific people (puppeteers). Why so? Because extreme Islam practices aren't made from yesterday.

I have no idea why you would want to attack the US as they're not the puppeteer. They may be fueling them, but the root of the issue didn't need any country or whatever from the West. So while fueling them is a crime, it's a different issue than whoever thought that it'd be fine to turn the Coran into "War & War".

I don't agree with these terrorists, I don't agree about what they do, what they think and what they are, simply. You can keep your memes for your childish discussions, I don't need it.

Seppuku is a pleb only skill.

Wow I'm busy for a few days and this gets all whacked out.

Nationalism, or rather people seeking to solidify onto a singular national identity only happens when they feel their current identity is under threat by a force that is seen as external. In every single case what you see is a political entity using some crisis to stoke nationalist fires by redirecting the blame of that crisis to some external entity. For WWII Germany it was the Nazi regime using "Evil Western European Jews" as a blame for their current economic crisis, which catalyzed people into following that regime even when it embarked into some very bad places. Recently this was after the 9/11 attack in the USA.

For many years there were those in power that wished to project more power into the Middle East but they could never get enough political support to do so. After that attack many Americans were very pissed off. The USA's greatest military asset isn't a weapon or soldiers but rather the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Those two giant bodies of water make any large scale attack surprise impossible and American is such a large diverse place that many Americans feel secure ignoring the rest of the world. That all changed overnight when everyone got to see airplanes crashing into two extremely large well made skyscrapers in the middle of one of American's most iconic cities. Perfect excuse for those powers to beat the drums, stoke national fervor, redirect everyone's anger and insecurity towards an external target and instantly you had a large voting citizenry demanding some sort of action be done to make them feel secure again.

This is a patter you can see repeat itself now in Europe. Instead of some other country starting a war, or some terrorist organization orchestrating some mayhem, we have a cultural invasion. In the Europeans foolhardy attempt to "not be America" they threw open their doors and tried to force their populations to accept "diversity" via Muslim integration. This was accepted at first because "hey see how much better and tolerant we are" and the numbers were relatively small and invisible. Then all sorts of ***starts happening, the numbers become not so small and not so invisible. Now the voting citizenry is seeing Muslims everywhere and not just of the local variety but the dark skinned wearing middle eastern clothing variety. The variety shown on news stations or all over the internet as doing very bad, very ugly things. They, as a whole, aren't integrating into the local culture, aren't adapting themselves to be like their new host country and that is causing those already in the host nation to feel threatened and insecure. And you can bet opportunistic politicians are waiting to take advantage of this to defeat their political enemies.

So you Eurocrats, welcome to what the USA has been dealing with, off and on, for over a hundred years. Your established culture that you like to brag about is being changed by the influx of new people who refuse to adapt and insist on maintaining their own culture. If you want to prevent those nationalistic outbursts from happening, and the worst has yet to come, you need to identify the root source of the insecurity and either remove the source or somehow create cultural security.

Dear Saevel and other Americans who don't follow EU news,

Nationalism has been on the rise within the EU since 2007/2008. While the large flux of immigrants recently is where the majority of discussion is coming from this is actually not the major concern, to me.

Since several Eastern European countries joined the EU many Western EU countries have wanted to restrict their right to free movement. This list of countries includes Poland, Romania, Bulgeria, Estonia, etc. It is one of the reasons the UK will be holding a vote in 2017.

Pointing towards the new large scale movement is an easy target, but this issue has been going on for 8+ years.

Beat me to it. Was just about to post about the Roma.


@the same misinformed crowd: The UK is trying to block east europeans from entering the UK. The surge in east europeans coming to the UK has resulted in a sharp increase in crime.
They're not bothered by central Asians (Pakistani/Indians) as they've been there for decades and actually contribute well to british society.

Read up on the Roma and Polish problems in the UK. I can post a documentary if you like.

Then I'll post as a citizen of the UK for all my life. The polish influx of workers has been in huge decline in the last 5 years. I've seen it especially in the construction industry which saw the most polish workers. East Europeans coming into the UK has also been in decline. The crime increase is mostly from Romanian and East European Gypsies and that's mostly London.
The block has nothing to do with a select crowd, it is the ongoing immigration debate that has been happening for years, mingled with the current 'shall we leave the EU' debate people want.

London 1998-2003: Best city in the world. (Soho was so clean)
London 2004-2012: stabbings, theft,muggings,rapes, pimps, human trafficking,drug dealers invading leicester square.

London 2012-today: When I go to knightsbridge I run into someone I know every other minute.

Let me set this right for all the outsiders. THE UK IS BIGGER THAN LONDON.
London also does not represent the average UK.

Also can you link me to your source of information or is this just your opinion?
London has always had its crime.

Leeds, Birmingham, Bradford, Hastings, Coventry, Oxford, Nottingham.

1998-2003 London crime was almost non-existent. It was a golden age for the city. I mentioned Soho because back in 98 they started cleaning it up. By 2000 that entire area was a magical place and continued to be so until 2004/2005. I lived there during the period and recall what a big deal it was and what an achievement it was. it didn't last long though.

I'm going off memory of the local news at the time and the debates that were taking place as well the history i loved through. If I searched hard I could probably find something, but back then the internet wasn't as populated with info as it is today (late 90's early 2000's)

with regards to today and knightbridge in particular, lol.. it might as well be called little Arabia

Crime just moved from soho. Crime has always plagued London. Hardly evidence of the East European crime wave you originally suggested though.

compared to what?
Have you ever been up north?

This should end the London crime speculations:
http://maps.met.police.uk/tables.htm
Look up every specific or total crime in the 'Year end figures (Fixed)' category for the final results.

Somewhat related but Sweden has given up the Schengen pact cause they say they can't hold any more immigrants anymore; as a consequence Denmark has closed the border with Germany(though some speculate it is just an excuse of the danish nationalist party who wanted this all along).
Now even Italy is abandoning the Schengen deal with Slovenia(France is already inaccessible).

All this because some nations don't respect the pacts of relocation of immigrants and let only certain ones take all the burden. That's no union, that's leeching.

A newly formed Danish network, Medmenneskesmuglere, is saying it's ready to smuggle paperless refugees over Öresund to Sweden because of the ID checks they do now for everyone going from Denmark to Sweden.

Alright this is a bigger one: Slovakia said they are going to refuse any muslim immigrant entirely after the events of Koln.

We should ban water. All terrorists drink water. Clearly water is the cause.

It is excellent we are focusing on some few displaced refugees and allowing our decades of diplomatic progress and enlightenment crumble before our eyes, nothing more important to worry about like a North Korean Hydrogen Bomb. That is not important at all. Get those poor refugees.

Analysts have said that the size of the explosion wasn't on par with a thermonuclear weapon. More than likely, it was a simple atomic bomb like they've tested in the past and the "hydrogen" part is just propaganda. Still concerning, of course, but not as bad as initial reports.