Denali Bonnet Or Wally Turban

OK, i just got Denali Bonnet and i was curious which is better for DNC in a solo/duo/trio situation, and why

Personal preference imo.

But really as long as you use turban for ni/ichi it wont make much difference for TP. Minus 1 haste for extra atk+3. Solo it's decent for fulltime excluding shadow casts, but eva+ from ohat would prolly be more beneficial for solo.

Then again I'm a thf and rely on eva for most things excluding recasts

For casting - Turban.
For higher haste situations - Turban.
For soloing and you need the evasion - Optical Hat.

Bonnet's really not that great except on a mannequin.

but does that 1% haste really make that much of a difference when casting shadows?

Actually Bonnet is great for Light/Dark Shot and for TA.

my opinionated opinion on this is that denali bonnet is never good.

here's my reasoning:

assuming evasion matters, hit rate will likely matter. because of this, optical hat is better than walahra and denali bonnet. reason being is that 5% hit rate compares to 4% haste. And while I agree that 4% haste will likely contribute more to DPS than 5% hit rate, it's pretty close. But we are saying evasion matters, and 5 more evasion just makes Ohat more attractive for solo. Swapping-in Walmart for recast of course.

If hit rate doesn't matter, it's not likely 5 evasion will matter either. The result is walmart being best.

Again, just my opinion.

tl;dr version - if evasion matters, use ohat. if not, use walmart.

edit: wow several people beat me to it.

hell if an item gave me .5% increase on casting I'd macro it in. Closer to ni recast cap the better.

Only reason I got denali was for TA peice and for fashion.

It's hella cute on mithra.

Attack+3 isn't even remotely comparable to Haste +1. Like above said, if you're trying to evade, go with the Optical hat.

You rely on evasion for damage?

For solo?

Do you need evasion to survive?

Yes-> O Hat.

No-> Turban.

Yeah.. said that. I was talking about EVA while solo. DMG is the last thing I'm thinking of when I'm soloing unless it comes to WS. I like to live.

edit: and I'm not talking soloing dc~T mobs. NMs, IT etc.

Then O Hat it is. :)

True, but we were discussing DNC here.

If this evolved to all jobs, then it changes a lot.

And in regards to TA, you're talking to a Maat's cap owner. lol

IMO, Denali and Askar head should never be used over Turban. I laugh evertime I see people TPing in them. 1% Haste > anything that Denali or Askar provide. So yeah.. Either toss the bonnet or put it on your mannequin.

The End.

What makes it bad is that the optimal option takes a ridiculously less amount of effort to get, so you go out of your way to perform at a lesser standard.

For example, use Okote vs Bkote. Okote are great. Yes, it has 2 attack less than bkote, but will definitely last you until you can get them.

Now let's say you Bkote are easier to get than Okote, provided you're not in level sync, why the *** would you wear Okote?

Denali Bonnet has limited uses... It makes a good mnd+ helm with its haste+ to give Blus a good casting helm for free, Mnd+4 Haste +4% kind of beats haste+5% in this type of situation. I know everyone will kind of shoot me for this statement, but thats really the only use that I ever see for it. Then again, I'm a blu >.> lol (Yay for being able to heal for 500+ when its needed :x)

Also, this is the reason I wish there were more players like you on XI and that they'd make any gear w/ decent stats ugly as ***. Would reduce lines for me to get items for sure.


Also, my turban kicks ***

veg... I mean tiger, take a gif from me :D bored + PC =

http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp214/KeiFreeman/fun.png

and here your turbantkick *** more

@on topic.

again this thread?, check Monk forum for the last @denali vs turbant fight

lmfao

It's all about preference and how bad you think 1% Haste matters.

I use the Denali on my THF because I'm a solo THF. When I need Acc or Eva, I use my O. Hat. I switched between my Wally and Denali and parsed it and found no difference what-so-ever in my DPS.

Besides, what's not to like about Haste and Evasion in one? Albeit it's lower than Wally and O. Hat, it's convenient for more solo and practical uses like casual farming.

Depends on how you play DNC/THF etc. If you're looking at doing the most amount of damage in the least amount of time, use your Wally.

Wally turban is a tp piece and can only be compared as such. You've made bonnet an evasion piece. If you need the +5 evasion more than the hp + and haste of wally you should be using o hat. Denali offers nothing as a tp piece to replace the 1 haste, unlike wally

Lol. You know how many things can skew a parse, right? If one person slacks off, ur parse goes up, if someone gets on their hustle, your parse is going down. If you slip up your parse is going down. If you're more aggressive, your parse is going up. The math is there for a reason, picks up on things that a parse won't.

To me, a parse shows who the more aggressive player is with good reaction, engage speed, ect. Really on their hustle. That being said, you can parse higher w/ denali if you try harder than you do with turban, doesn't mean there isn't a difference.

that's what the math is for, is to show the item's POTENTIAL, you still have to bring that potential out yourself.

The only time I could ever justify using Denali Bonnet is if I'm soloing and would prefer to have some haste on a DD headpiece that had defense to it if you have a feeling you will get hit. I'll use homam head on pld when I solo for very select occasions if I know I'll get hit i.e. shadow tanking a mob that double/triple attacks. The worst arguement anyone can EVER make for Denali Bonnet is 3 att > 1 haste -_- If you do the math over time, 1 haste DESTROYS 3 attack, even over a short period of time for that matter.
Bottom line, Denali matches homam...sorta, that's about as good as it gets in my opinion.

I was alone, and I was farming for hours and hours. An hour with Denali, an hour with Wally. Yes, it was a hot double-date. Lol

>.> parsing alone is even worse. In a party you compare how you are doing with others. Parsing solo, what exactly are you parsing? 1 hr w/ 1 and 1hr w/ the other? Chances are you didn't even fight the same number of jobs, ect.

Only thing you can parse solo is str/attack, ect things that make yo uhit harder. Then you can parse your average dmg/hit before w/ your average dmg/hit after. You can't parse attack speed solo though, lol.

Also, haste gets better w/ the more of it you have. I looked at your solo build, doesn't have much haste to begin with, yet alone the absence of marches and haste spell (marches of absence if you had npc)

How I play my jobs is entirely up to myself, Vegetto. Not all of us are out and about trying to get our hands on every thing we can. Some of us play the game and have fun with it.

The way I solo and farm is efficient for my liking. I'm not looking to do as much damage in as little time as possible.

I think that's sort of the point though ... unless you are a COR or THF, there's no real utility for a Denali Bonnet when compared to options with the same or less ease of access.

Sooooooooo, a DNC should never use Bonnet over Turban, imo.

Who the *** said anything about how you have to play? I just noted which is better, which you decide to use has nothing to do with me nor how good each item is. You're arguing w/ the wrong person.

Also, lol if you think you can have fun in a denali head but can't have fun in a turban.

Also, since when did turban fall of under the category of "out and about trying to get our hands on everything we can"?

I love how your argument doesn't touch a single of my points and has nothing to do with anything I've said here.