Smn Burn Getting Crowded And Expensive

Well on what level? There are so many differences between them I don't even know where to start.

Sorry, but imo youre wrong on both, NIN + RDM

My main job is RDM, I’ve been playing it since 2006. In exp /merit & all kinds of endgame. Except for some certain cases (like when stona’s needed on some HNM bosses or w/e). a RDM healer can easily keep up with a good whm and should be able to mainheal. You just need the right equip & SJ, its not really hard. So then how can RDM be a gimp healer? Just sub /whm or /sch (for Addendum: White) and voila! You’ll do great cures. Never seen a RDM who only enfeebles the mobs, that’s ridiculous. If you cant handle to cure / enfeeble / buff as RDM, you fail.

And wtf .... war/dnc as the uber tank? It sounds like some kind of solution cause no “real” tank was seeking which might work (also depending if you have a PL or not). But you cant tell me in endgame or higher level parties / merit you’d use a war/dnc lol.

Btw the idea of a tank is not having the most hate and DIE, like a drk or blm would do. seriously. just lol. The idea of a tank is to be able to evade / take hits and survive, like a blood or blink tank do. If you only had gimp nin tanks who had no hate, thats probably because it was pre level 37 and no NI or they were cheap and didnt use elemental wheel.

oops, cut that wrong. oh well.

/doesn't feel like quoting and deleting your quote of me,lotus

RDM was meant to be 1/3 healer 1/3 enfeebling 1/3 melee but S-E messed up (honestly, have you ever played FF1 before?) but people only see it as 3/3 healer in exp parties (plus they suck at melee) Yeah, with the right gear it can get up to an ungimped WHM healer and it can heal efficiently but i have seen many parties (me being non-healing class) where the RDM can't keep up with the healing to where i'd go /whm (if i'm like BLM or SMN) and stay back and half nuke/send pet out and half heal just so we have a fighting chance.

I'd rather use WAR/DNC than NIN/WAR. Much more effective and much faster exp.

With a smart healer, the tank won't die. By smart healer i mean non-banish spammer. (i mean once in a while is fine if you wanna get some dmg in, but it just wastes MP and adds hate to you). Also how are you going ot take hits if you don't have hate?

Do you really plan to elaborate more?

You elaborate, what is your justification for saying SMN burning is the same as mercing?

inb4 efficiency.

If efficiency was the only factor you'd simply ninja lot the items.

from what ive seen its running about 200k on bismarck. though apparently some of the holders will make deals for multiple burns. i find it kinda disgusting ppl will pay that much.

Wait i never said anything like that, why dont you just explain your version.

Sorry, but thats just totally not true.

Well... we are talking about FF11 and not FF1 tho lol. Are you seriously comparing how to play jobs by this? XD sorry.

In FFXI a RDM (in a party!) is supposed to buff / debuff and cure – thats it. In certain occasions you might be needed to nuke, like in Nyzul, or on certain mobs (like puddings). But let’s talk about exp. Pre 75 w/o REALLY good nuking / int / ele magic gear, RDM nukes are pure ***. Sorry, but that’s how it is. So why would I invite a RDM to my party to have him waist MP for nuking a Thunder 2 on the mob for like 20 dmg while the tank is dying? doesnt make sense. I dont ever wanna see a RDM nuke in my parties, unless there’s really nothing to do, mp are good and / or have a PL anyway. Now let’s talk about RDM melee dmg. Its even more ridiculous than the nukes. Of course, in dunes parties or even qufim, why not. but other than that or solo, why would i want a meleeing RDM in a let’s say 60ish party who refuses to cure? When the said RDM is meleeing in “Mage” gear he won’t hit the mob once or do dmg under 10 lol and while meleeing he can’t rest mp = donwtime for the whole party.

Maybe SE wanted RDM to be different when they decided to have RDM in FFXI 10 years ago, but apparently it hasnt worked out. If you wanna be a meleeing mage who doesnt have to cure, go ahead and level BLU.

And about the „If you have a smart healer the tank wont die“ thing... this is ridiculous. Now you have your war/dnc tank who will get hit for ***, you have to cure bomb him because he would die otherwise. If you do so, you’ll prolly end up dying yourself. so where’s the smart part about this? You or the tank die? Or wait... when you have hate and die, YOU must be the better tank :P

Edit: why would anyone spam banish?Oo

You justify it first, I honestly don't know where your coming from.

Clearly you have no argument for it, and are just expelling verbal diarrhoea as per normal.

I burnt my SMN from 12 to 75. Guess what my Summoning skill is? No, it's not 0-10. It's 237. I've been skilling up and doing FoV solo in Ro'Maeve to practice SMN.

Yeah, I'm gimp, but I use my other 75 jobs for endgame. Granted they're useless jobs, but who knows, maybe someone can use a capped WHM, RDM or BLM that I did level the legit way. Or maybe my Dynamis shell should just kick me from tank main heal (for which I've been for the last 1.5 years) for being such a gimp n00b.

Oh, wait. Why do we play this game? To... To... To... Oh, make our e-peen bigger... No... Wait! To have fun! Maybe my fun is different than your fun and the other way around.

On topic. I haven't burnt in a couple weeks, as I've been working more. I don't give up the leech spot. I take the leech spot for myself and a friend. We have our own characters (alternates) tank and we also pull ourselves. I find that a lot of SMN that want to burn don't have a job capable of pulling, so, in effect, they are "leeching" a bit themselves. I often get asked for the leech spot and people will offer anywhere from 150k to 200k.

1. Why else do you think they added BLU? they failed at making RDM a melee mage.

2. have you ever had a WAR/DNC as a main tank? From the sound of it, it's prolly a "No"

I'd describe a WAR/DNC as a meleeing PLD. not only can he provoke and animated flourish, but he can cure himself, gain TP very easilly and party heal to keep hate. Besides, i said i'd prefer a WAR/DNC than a NIN/WAR tank :P

cuz they're stupid. i've seen it too many times already when i'm not a healer.
like i said, it's easy to lose hate as a tank, and the hate calculation is really HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, tho i think they're fixing it.

Is not that bad if you consider there alway 2 leecher (100k each for 45k exp ) And trust me is boring enought to stand 1 hours waiting all puller bring you the mob.

I still can farm 60k in 1 hours, if i can do it, everyone can do it. But 45k in 2 hours @ level 12 or level 40~55 is another story.

You also dont need to PAY, just bring a friend holding for you. But GL on that, not many will do it just for the fun of loosing they time where they could hmmm do nothing else, but anyway you know what i mean.

Yea, so in fact RDMs are only good for what I said, which means if you wanna be a RDM in an exp party that is supposed to work properly, you'll have to play it that way. And again... RDM is an awesome mainhealer.

If not, gotta party with friends who dont mind, solo or AB it.

Just out of curiousity I'll try how war/dnc is in an exp party when I can't find a NIN or PLD.

i should've said RDM < WHM when it comes to main healing due to what they have access to. lol RDM isn't that bad as a healer but the fact that people would rather find a RDM and die multiple times and only get R1 than a WHM and die less and get the oprotunity to get R2 or R3.

and about the war/dnc -- depends who plays it. most of the war/dnc i've been with knew how to play it as a tanking role. others didn't (hell they didn't even voke even when the mobs were pounding on the healer) people need to learn the word "Teamwork" i swear to God most lack it. (cuz it's so easy to solo in this game)

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Dude explain me how the hell i have to explain something for your own opinion???? I never even say anything about it exept asking you to explain it.

oooh i understand what mercing is now.

didn't read kat's post lol

hmmmm well it can be different, Fdeath. 100% of hte smnburn parties i've been to were free for me. (maybe cuz i'm the syncee or a SMN or cuz i knew the people) while mercing, no matter if you knew someone, you have to pay still.

also another difference is that smnburn you can use if you just don't wanna deal leveling a subjob. (like me and ninja) and you just leach mp and get it done faster than if you didn't smnburn, while mercing you just pay some people because you're lazy to hunt an item you'll use when you're 75 lol.

Tho the similarities are that both of them, you use others to your advantage, whether you're lazy or not.

Oh when i say 100k per leecher, that 100% exclude all SMN job. Idk how it work on other server, but on fenrir is 4 SMN + 2 leecher(random job). Smn never pay anything, that would be real crazzy.

For merc pop, i do farm for friend and is alway free.

urgh quote borked

Fdeath: depends on the situation. i've never had to pay to leech yet but as i said, it's prolly cuz i was a SMN or the syncee (cuz they couldn't find anyone willing) or hell, if you're a COR they can keep you for two runs if you wanted to smnburn cor lol

Where do I start?

1. It's an item you receive and not levels

2. Merc'd items are typically items that a player cannot obtain through another method due to not having the jobs necessary to join an EGLS (of course there is situations where this isn't the case)

I need to know your justification for saying it is the same, or I can't provide an example as to how it's wrong.

It's like saying hot chocolate tastes the same as Orange juice, they are both drinks but radically different.

Flion, how's about we make this about zombies?!

Edits - I'm dyslexic this morning it seems ~ Fixed

Yes that explain it. and my bad i made a mistake :( i mean 3 SMN, 1 level sync, 2 leecher, level sync and smn never pay.

RDM end todo 200k/h, of course that pretty good, is why they accept too, in revenge 100k for 45k exp is not that bad, you can probably pay more just on food/ammo/gear/rr/tele for the same Exp. no need to point on lv40~55 you do around 10k per hours in good PT, that mean you save 4 hours of you time, can easy use that time to farm 25k/h [that also exclude the time loosign on LFG of course]

You know it -.^

At least zombie debates may save your life one day.

/nods siriusly

End of discussion.
/grin

lol no problem. and yeah, i've heard people paying for it but to save money, i usually just be the syncee and then dreadfully find a party lol

:<

We have guns >.> Although I don't think I've ever seen one not on a cop

please quote me where i said it was the same or not.

Again what are you defending yourself?

You might have miss the main part of my question, guess it was a hard one.