180tp On One Meditate?

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 Bahamut.Paragonx
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By Bahamut.Paragonx 2010-03-07 00:52:20
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I know Wiki said if you use both Myochin Kabuto and the Saotome Kote you can get a tp gain of 140%~180%. now i had both items for like 2 years now and i NEVER gotten a 180% on one meditate, most of the time i get 160% or 140%. am i doing something wrong or is it another one of those wiki f ups?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-03-07 00:58:44
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Depends on your meditate timing, if you get lucky you can get extra TP. Most you can get from sub is 72 even if it says 60.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-07 01:01:42
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Bismarck.Dracondria said:
Depends on your meditate timing, if you get lucky you can get extra TP. Most you can get from sub is 72 even if it says 60.
That is probably a hit you are not seeing.

And he was talking about main with relic and af
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By Asura.Artemicion 2010-03-07 01:02:45
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Enhanced meditate has a chance of giving 40 extra TP instead of 20 on each enhancement (gloves and helm), the determination is sheer luck.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-03-07 01:04:04
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I've gotten 180 a lot on 75 sam, with both items, it more or less is luck
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By shadower 2010-03-07 01:05:06
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Yeah, I never get 180 TP entire my SAM career...most of the time is 160 TP...I even try to do with timing Meditate on my free time (meaning I just stand there for hour just to do Meditate) and never get 180 TP LMAO
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By Ferth 2010-03-07 01:07:01
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It was my understanding that the myochin kabuto gives 20-40% and that saotome gloves only ever gave 20%...

I have never, ever, seen anyone get 180% and until I see definitive proof I'll remain skeptical about its chances.
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By Asura.Artemicion 2010-03-07 01:08:37
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It's happened to me once in a blue moon on my SAM awhile back. I think it's just pure luck. It's a fairly low chance to get 40 from one piece, let alone being lucky enough to have it proc twice.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2010-03-07 01:09:43
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Gloves and Helm can both proc. I've had it happen once. But usually only one will get the bonus proc leaving me at 160.
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By Bahamut.Paragonx 2010-03-07 01:10:35
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i use my sam a lot and before a fight i always meditate up, been playing for a loooong time and i have never gotten a 180 tp not kidding around, >_> i always wonder if its my xbox lol. its either something is wrong or just i am so unlucky that i haven't gotten a 180% on my 1st meditate for 3 years i been a sam >_>. havent check if i get 180 while fighting cause i never sat there and focus on if i got 1 extra 20 to ir not.
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By Ragnarok.Erikthecleric 2010-03-07 01:11:27
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
Depends on your meditate timing, if you get lucky you can get extra TP. Most you can get from sub is 72 even if it says 60.
That is probably a hit you are not seeing.

And he was talking about main with relic and af

I've done a few 72 meditates as /SAM but it was VERY VERY rare. I've also done a few 120s as SAM main, but again its very very rare. If you lower your HP and have auto regen, or the spell on, and you time the meditate right before a tick goes off (using the HP+ from regen) you can get an extra tick without any + gear on. Its really hard to do though @_@.

I've never gotten 180 with both though X:...
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By Ramuh.Urial 2010-03-07 01:19:15
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The only reason I saw my one was because i fired the first one and not thinking i had my kabuto in my satchel so i got up to 120, i fired teh 2nd later with both pieces and ended at 300. other than the 1 time i typically get 140-160 usual
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-03-07 01:39:20
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
Depends on your meditate timing, if you get lucky you can get extra TP. Most you can get from sub is 72 even if it says 60.
That is probably a hit you are not seeing.

And he was talking about main with relic and af

What two-hander with /sam gets 12 tp with a hit? <_<; And no, I've gotten it when buffing before a fight.
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By Ifrit.Duanyu 2010-03-07 01:58:30
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2 years and never had 180 tp from meditate....
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By Carbuncle.Gilder 2010-03-07 02:16:16
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I actually recieved 180 TP on a meditate yesterday, it was the first time it happened and the max before for me was 160. I think what happened was I clicked the staging point door and that somehow glitched me giving me the extra 20.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kyrial 2010-03-07 02:18:40
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My friend says he's gotten 180 like twice in the several years he's had both items. I take his word for it... I hate Dynamis too much to go back just to get that piece. >.>
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-03-07 02:32:38
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Carbuncle.Gilder said:
I actually recieved 180 TP on a meditate yesterday, it was the first time it happened and the max before for me was 160. I think what happened was I clicked the staging point door and that somehow glitched me giving me the extra 20.

If you time it right you get extra TP from the tick you used it on. (Using right before the next tick gives you an extra one)
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By Ragnarok.Skiutah 2010-03-07 03:06:58
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I've seen 180 TP meditate. Once or twice maybe.

140-160 is by far the norm though.
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By Phoenix.Huwhuddep 2010-03-07 04:00:14
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100TP (normal mediate) + an extra tick = 120TP
extra tick (AF Head) + extra tick (rare chance from AF Head) = 140TP
extra tick (Relic Gloves) + extra tick (rare chance from Relic Gloves) = 180TP

its possible just rare.
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By Fenrir.Retin 2010-03-07 04:51:49
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Did some testing in tavnazia on this and I did not get any 180% TP meditates. I got 140% and 160% with helm+hands. I also got 160% often enough to say that the chance of getting 180% without glitching is equal to zero.(Sample 120-150)
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-03-07 06:07:48
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It's not a glitch, you just use it before the next tick.
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By Ragnarok.Titox 2010-03-07 06:19:05
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Bismarck.Dracondria said:
It's not a glitch, you just use it before the next tick.

^ and i have gotten 180TP like 10% of the time....is just luck of the tick like Dracon said ^^
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-03-07 06:47:52
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It's handy if you level sync since you can meditate right before the leader syncs and only lose about 1 tick since it continues after sync.
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By Sylph.Kehl 2010-03-07 06:53:03
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i get 160 normally but 180 isnt all that rare its just about luck wether both proc or not thats all.
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By Fenrir.Gimmeurselables 2010-03-07 06:54:13
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Bismarck.Dracondria said:
It's not a glitch, you just use it before the next tick.
I don't understand what you are saying here??
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-03-07 09:05:42
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It's a glitch that mostly occurs during lag , zoning , or other actions that "alter time" in a way. (Treasure Caskets, NPCs)
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By Ifrit.Duanyu 2010-03-07 09:06:26
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Fenrir.Gimmeurselables said:
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
It's not a glitch, you just use it before the next tick.
I don't understand what you are saying here??

id answer your question, but i cant. im quite distracted at the moment.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-07 09:14:04
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It's possible just extremely rare
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By Midgardsormr.Sammitch 2010-03-07 11:45:20
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Fenrir.Retin said:
Did some testing in tavnazia on this and I did not get any 180% TP meditates. I got 140% and 160% with helm+hands. I also got 160% often enough to say that the chance of getting 180% without glitching is equal to zero.(Sample 120-150)
Increase your sample size by a factor of 10 to 100 at the very least before you try to make a definitive answer.

Most people might not notice 180TP meditates because I would assume the majority of the time we are meditating while fighting, or just not paying attention to our starting TP. Not to mention that unless you're specifically testing for TP gain, dropping TP before each meditate, you can only ever see a 180TP med on the first try from a standing start.
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By Fenrir.Magicjunkie 2010-03-07 11:58:48
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i used to get 180 all the time tho it was ussally the first med out of 2 to get to 300 before a big mob... aka wasted but yea it was never that uncommon i got 180 more then i got 140...
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