@Raenryong, way to be elitist I guess, OP doesn't like to gear swap, which is why I gave them that set as it's an all around set that would benefit them in TP (same gain as your precious Hauby+Rose Strap combo) and being superior for Sidewinder.
@Argettio, same as Raenryong, OP doesn't like to gear swap yatta yatta, and OP said they're landing their Sidewinders. And if you can land Sidewinders with the OP's current setup, you will land normal GKatana swings.
@Hitetsu, that's only if the OP was using Great Katana WS', which s/he's not. They're Sam/Rng, using Sidewinder. Hauby < Domaru for this very reason.
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Ragnarok.Zephyran said: @Hitetsu, that's only if the OP was using Great Katana, which s/he's not. They're Sam/Rng, using Sidewinder. Hauby < Domaru for this very reason. OP said: as it sits now im using Weapon - Soboro Sub - Rose Strap Range - Shigeto Bow Head - Walahra Turban (though i have an O-hat i could use) Body - Hachiman Hands - Hachiman Legs - Hachiman Feet - Hachiman Neck - Chivalrous Chain Belt - Saotome Koshi-ate Back - Commander's Cape Ear 1 - Storm Loop Ear 2 - Spike Earring ring - Thunder Ring The OP is using a Great Katana. Therefore, Hauby > Domaru, overall because they'll still be melee'ing for TP. Ragnarok.Zephyran said: @Argettio, same as Raenryong, OP doesn't like to gear swap yatta yatta, and OP said they're landing their Sidewinders. And if you can land Sidewinders with the OP's current setup, you will land normal GKatana swings. That's like saying, if I can land unresisted enfeebles on BLM with full enfeebling gear I can land unresisted nukes with full enfeebling gear. I did a ninja edit to clarify, Great Katana WS'* as thats what you were talking about. Hauby being > Domaru for YGK.
Ragnarok.Zephyran said: I did a ninja edit to clarify, Great Katana WS'* as that what you were talking about. Hauby being > Domaru for YGK. No, I said SAM isn't based off WS damage, as so many SAM think. It's based off WS frequency (in other words, getting TP to use a WS). It just happens that they DO have the general highest damage because of the modifiers for the "power 3". Sylph.Hitetsu said: That's like saying, if I can land unresisted enfeebles on BLM with full enfeebling gear I can land unresisted nukes with full enfeebling gear. Ragnarok.Zephyran said: I did a ninja edit to clarify, Great Katana WS'* as thats what you were talking about. Hauby being > Domaru for YGK. Hauby is not a WS piece. It is a TP piece. But if you are not going to swap gear then Hauby is the better option. As it is the best TP piece SAM can use (outside +1 and Usukane) and an ok WS (5th probably) piece. Domaru is about the 10th best TP piece and the 3rd or 4th best WS piece. So on balance hauby is a better full time piece.
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Ragnarok.Zephyran said: Sylph.Hitetsu said: That's like saying, if I can land unresisted enfeebles on BLM with full enfeebling gear I can land unresisted nukes with full enfeebling gear. You mean BLM's A+ Elemental Skill and C Enfeebling? Yes, yes I did. Quote: @Raenryong, way to be elitist I guess, OP doesn't like to gear swap, which is why I gave them that set as it's an all around set that would benefit them in TP (same gain as your precious Hauby+Rose Strap combo) and being superior for Sidewinder. I am being elitist here I will admit, but also practical. If you don't gear swap, a SAM/RNG build will crash and burn because the hybridisation will absolutely murder it. Quote: No, I said SAM isn't based off WS damage, as so many SAM think. It's based off WS frequency (in other words, getting TP to use a WS). ^ this is the key distinction SO MANY SAMs miss.
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Bahamut.Raenryong said: Quote: @Raenryong, way to be elitist I guess, OP doesn't like to gear swap, which is why I gave them that set as it's an all around set that would benefit them in TP (same gain as your precious Hauby Rose Strap combo) and being superior for Sidewinder. I am being elitist here I will admit, but also practical. If you don't gear swap, a SAM/RNG build will crash and burn because the hybridisation will absolutely murder it. Quote: No, I said SAM isn't based off WS damage, as so many SAM think. It's based off WS frequency (in other words, getting TP to use a WS). ^ this is the key distinction SO MANY SAMs miss. Most SAMs suck
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Sylph.Hitetsu said: No, I said SAM isn't based off WS damage, as so many SAM think. It's based off WS frequency (in other words, getting TP to use a WS). It just happens that they DO have the general highest damage because of the modifiers for the "power 3". Sylph.Hitetsu said: You mean BLM's A Elemental Skill and C Enfeebling? Yes, yes I did. Hard to comprehend? Or do you still think their main weapon would miss more than their C+ weapon? Remember, we're talking about TP gain with ACC. Kujata.Argettio said: Hauby is not a WS piece. Ninja Edit: I don't think I'll ever be able to take Brit's seriously anymore thanks to you three, hahaha. You said: I did a ninja edit to clarify, Great Katana WS'* as thats what you were talking about. Hauby being > Domaru for YGK. Rawrcat said: Hauby is not a WS piece. It is a TP piece. Just so that quote isn't taken outside of context. Hauby isn't as good as Domaru/Osode/occasionallyByrnie+1 for Y/G/K! Ragnarok.Zephyran said: Kujata.Argettio said: Hauby is not a WS piece. OK as your going to be an *** about it and try and take my comments out of context just to 'score points' * Hauby is good for all Multi-hit WS, And WS that can crit * Hauby isn't good for Most single-hit WS (under most situations) or Ranged WS. So in the context of SAM/RNG, Hauby isn't a WS piece.
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Best numbers i've seen have come from Bynire +1 amazingly. I think it has something to do with compensating that wide gap of additional STR with attack.
You know, the whole potatoes in the potato sack theory? Or in my case, tall beer glass with beer :3 Edit: Since there seems to be alot of miscommunication going around I'd like to clarify this post is speaking for Y/G/K, Ragnarok.Zephyran said: Sylph.Hitetsu said: You mean BLM's A Elemental Skill and C Enfeebling? Yes, yes I did. Hard to comprehend? Or do you still think their main weapon would miss more than their C weapon? Remember, we're talking about TP gain with ACC. So.. Let me get this right.. +100 Acc let's me hit reliably. So, I can hit 95% of the time with -60 acc? ***, I've been doing SAM so wrong.. Thanks! Jumping in with something completely unrelated...
To clarify, it's okay for me to TP in Haub and WeaponSkill in Domaru? Right? Cause if it's not, this Domaru is weighing me down <.< That being said, I've got a question for the OP: Why do you not like gear swapping? Do you type out your commands? Or do you select them through your menus? I mean, if you're using macros, it isn't difficult to make even minimalist changes. For example /ws "Sidewinder" <t> Could be changed to: /equip body "Hachiman Domaru" /ws "Sidewinder" <t> /wait 1 /equip body "Haubergeon" inb4 "Youranelitistassholeandshouldlevelsamuraiohwai-!" Ramuh.Tousou said: To clarify, it's okay for me to TP in Haub and WeaponSkill in Domaru? Right? Cause if it's not, this Domaru is weighing me down <.< That's what I do. SAM isn't my main job by any stretch, so I'm not buying it an osode yet >_> It also let's me be a little more flexible in the STP I use in my TP setup. Kujata.Argettio said: Ragnarok.Zephyran said: Kujata.Argettio said: Hauby is not a WS piece. OK as your going to be an *** about it and try and take my comments out of context just to 'score points' * Hauby is good for all Multi-hit WS, And WS that can crit * Hauby isn't good for Most single-hit WS (under most situations) or Ranged WS. So in the context of SAM/RNG, Hauby isn't a WS piece. Sylph.Hitetsu said: So.. Let me get this right.. +100 Acc let's me hit reliably. So, I can hit 95% of the time with -60 acc? ***, I've been doing SAM so wrong.. Thanks!
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Quote: To clarify, it's okay for me to TP in Haub and WeaponSkill in Domaru? Right? Cause if it's not, this Domaru is weighing me down <.< Generally on Tachi: Gekko, your effective attack and accuracy will both be capped on ~merit level or below mobs without any further substantial buffs. Then it just comes down to 5~6 STR vs 8STR :p You can also cap Attack on higher level stuff but this requires a Bard typically (/war helps too). If you are ever not capping Attack on Y/G/K, Byrnie+1 becomes your best WS body. Accuracy will always be capped on just about anything as long as you are not debuffed.
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Quote: Out of context? I took that literally. Which is what "out of context" means. Context is important...
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It was a literal comment based on SAM/RNG. It wasn't a general comment about the usefulness of Hauby. Hitetsu's comment was about the skill difference and going from a 2handed weapon to a ranged weapon causing a large net loss in accuracy. @ Tousou Edit: What Raen said Bahamut.Raenryong said: Which is what "out of context" means. Context is important...
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Ragnarok.Zephyran said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: Which is what "out of context" means. Context is important... I worded it that way, because we are in a thread about SAM/RNG. The thread defines the context. If you lol at my comment then that means you thing hauby is a WS piece for SAM/RNG... That's a nice turn up for the books.
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Quote: You said: I did a ninja edit to clarify, Great Katana WS'* as thats what you were talking about. Hauby being > Domaru for YGK. Rawrcat said: Hauby is not a WS piece. It is a TP piece. There is the full quote, IN context. Since my fellow British cat is responding to your quote, this can be read as: "Hauby is not a WS piece for Y/G/K. It is a TP piece".
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Aha ha ha, now looks like I can say you took my "Lol" out of context, oh you sly goose you.
Thanks guys. I'll likely upgrade to Osode if I ever get enough money or do more sky. Still no luck on Tuch for Hagun yet either ; ;
Ya'll have fun... I'm looking forward to the OP's response to my question. Rae, any word on my previous post about Byrnie +1 outdoing Osode and my beer mug (str) and beer (attack) theory?
Byrnie+1 will outdo Osode if Attack is not capped during Y/G/K, generally (and why it always does for Kaiten which does not have such an attack boost)~ "x2 Attack" suddenly becomes a big deal if not capped since Byrnie+1 is giving you ~50, which is HUGE.
Ugh, that sucked.. Site R0 and lost my post ._.
I ran some quick numbers through FFXI Calc after I re-looked at the OP's gear.. I'm scared to see "unreliable" after I did.  This is based off Greater Colibri, a typical merit PT mob. From my experience, Dyna mobs seem to have around the same sort of Evasion. Though I've only gone to dyna as DD a handful of times. Assumed value for base AGI as I have no idea. Ninja Edit: Changed wording on that last line so it's only for base AGI. I worked off memory on the +Agi, so I might be off a little there too, still not going to be life changing.
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Asura.Artemicion said: Rae, any word on my previous post about Byrnie 1 outdoing Osode and my beer mug (str) and beer (attack) theory? I am not sure about your analogy. But it comes down to capping ratio (att/def). Once ratio is capped, STR is the only way to increase damage All the big three SAM GKT WS have a large attack boost which is likely to cap ratio on most mobs 'weak' mobs (read: merit, limbus, nyzul etc), therefore in this situation STR is the way to go. On higher level mobs (HNMs) capping attack can be more difficult so attack still gives and increase in damage. At this point things like Byrnie +1 make sense (large amounts of attack and still a decent amount of STR). The exact relationship between ratio and pdif isn't fully understood (but people are theory crafting about atm), so it is difficult to be exact about where the turning point is. |
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