Laphria Vs Hellheim

You'd think they would need to add additional augments to the rest of the REMAs as well too? I don't remember talk of that.

I'd love nothing more than to use Ragnarok unironically again.

Was rags WS ever any good? Even at 75 i think people opted for spinning slash still and beyond that it was just a reso weapon, was never a "terrible" ws, just always kind of mediocre compared to few other scaling WS GS has access to

Oh ok

Nah it's always been pretty garbo, but as I've previously stated, I'm a *** for crit, and 24% (with AM3) is pretty nasty. I also think it's one of the coolest looking GSs. I typically lockstyled it over my Epeo and Calad.

I know I'm reaching ad naseum with the crit convo, but I would love to be able to viably build a crit setup that sacrifices WS/SC damage for white damage. Iono why, just something about going ham on autos speaks to me on a spiritual level.

Naegling is still the king of Sheol C runs. Switching to the other options, as needed. My group for Sheol C farms typically enters with DD/DD/DD/BRD/WHM/COR. Usually 2 WAR with a SAM make up the DDs. Since we do not use a tank, sword and board helps a bit defensively and can consistently do 95-100% dmg savage blades on most mobs.

If Naegling savage blade werent so dominate for one shotting, or nearly one shotting most mobs in Sheol C, I might be more tempted to use Laphria in there

from: https://www.famitsu.com/news/202303/30297806.html

If im reading the article right it was around the time sortie was still being finished so they may have been referring to actually making S3/S4/S5 as this was all centered around the TVR finale

bad DeepL tl;

Regarding post-Embryo completion, will there be any additions to existing content?
Fujito: Currently, the endgame content consists of two elements: the Odyssey “Sheol Gyr” and Soti. Regarding Gyr, Veng25 represents its intended final form from the outset. Soti, however, remains unfinished and will also serve as the “content for enhancing Prime Weapons,” which begins upon clearing Embryo. Moving forward, we envision players utilizing Soti not only for enhancing Empyrean gear and acquiring job-specific ear equipment, but also for strengthening their Prime Weapons.

Are there any new content updates planned after the completion of ‘Embryo’?
Fujito: After completing ‘Embryo,’ players will be able to enhance their Prime Weapons. However, if we create this feature but players have nowhere to use their enhanced weapons, it would be meaningless. That said, we don't want the new content testing Prime Weapons' power to become mandatory for future play, so we're planning several new Master Trials. In past Master Trials, players could obtain uniquely glowing weapons as clear rewards, though they weren't practical for combat. However, besides the two-handed swords and other weapon types already implemented, there are several unimplemented ones. We plan to make these obtainable through new Master Trials.
――Oh! That makes me curious about the weapon types available too.
FujitoAs mentioned earlier, these new Master Trials also serve as a “testing ground for Prime Weapons,” so I expect their difficulty will be significantly higher than previous ones. We're preparing fitting enemies for them, so I think you'll enjoy them.


Lines up with them making August/Chaos MT if im remembering releases right

That article is from 2023, not 2025. I must be blind, because I see nothing about a future augment system to primes. He's merely talking about (then) future plans where you can complete a prime weapon after finishing TVR (Embryo), and strengthen it THROUGH Sortie. Mentions places you can use the stronger weapon, new master trials. I read that clearly to mean you can stage 3-5 it. He specifically mentions Sortie as the "final stage" for prime weapons several times. Think you're reading way too much into it Felgar.

Yes, that was talking about the beyond-stage-2 upgrades of the primes.

Stage2 is kind of the base, since you need that to finish TVR, much like the relics with their unusable base form.

There has never been a mention of augments for primes afaik. There would have to be new weapons added that are close to primes to make that reasonable.

Primes are already the strongest weapons in the game, upgrading them further.. to do what.

Where did you get those numbers exactly? can't talk in an absolute way about something so situational as whitedps to wsdps ratio xD, white damage might be around 20% for 2h if you just use a tp set who doesn't give an F about white dmg, can be a bit higher on DRK an muuuch higher on Ukon WAR or Redemption DRK (like +40-45% of dps with full pdl/da/dadmg build). Also i didn't see anyone mention that prime triple dmg only procs on the first hit of a multiatk round VS empy AM tthat affects all rounds, which means losing a ton of autoatk dmg on Empy 2h vs Prime, specially on WAR that can get very high DA dmg% stacking with AM3 and empy set bonus occasional proc + PDL/crits.


Finally i see ppl mentioning eyeballing parse n yada yada, pls be careful when eyeballing things. Unless you got a seriously deep understanding of ALL variables and possible factors in play, you prob wanna think twice before convincing yourself that something is "true" after a quick eyeballing test in an uncontrolled or "casual/pug" setup. There are too many variables at play and one must be able to read those numbers and understand why they end up being lower/higher, rather than just oversimplifying the subject to a mere "i've beat it/seen it in the parse".

Depending on the content, you can go crazy (or wrongly judge other players sometimes) thinking something or someone sucks/isn't working or performing as you remember/expect, just because maybe the WAR didn't tomahawk, armor break or def down from that slot is missing, nobody applied box step or there's something different with the buffs in general.


We have enough ppl religiously parsing numbers that they don't even fully understand yet (or ppl asking for s5 who don't even parse runs ending up with weak rdm/cor lol), would be nice if instead of considering those numbers as an absolute "statement" associated with the player itself, we could help ppl understand that for any DD in order to reach those 9-10M dmg runs (or Limbus 7-8M), you don't just need perfect buffs, but you'll also need someone in the party to "underperform" more or less, relatively to the average expected dps distrubution among jobs.

As an example, there's a somewhat finite amount of dmg (excluding overkilling) that you can deal in a Sheol C or Apo/Temenos run, sure it'll variate a tiny bit but the number of families (or mobs killed to go up a floor in Limbus) will remain the same. I mention this, because if you see this, you can understand that when DDs do 9-10M in a sheol C run, it usually means someone else did underperform compared to the "average dmg distribution". I often seen 1 dd at 9M while the other at 7-6M, or both DD at 8-9 and COR BRD dealing 1-3M max each. Finally the more COR and BRD are good (and stronger thanks to Aria specially), the more will be likely for DDs to encounter unlucky chains of auto-targeting madness, since COR n BRD will be 1 shotting mobs as well and thus things will die ultra quickly (while when COR n BRD stop one shotting mobs, DDs usually get extra ws out). In order to increase DD dmg in segs it's vital to learn which direction to face while killing monsters in order to avoid auto-targeting sending you to the other half of the planet everytime, but i know other ppl also press macro ws and then quickly change target with cursor before it goes off so they "bypass" auto targeting.

I'd suggest using a parse addon who also shows WSdmg average and other useful stats for more fair comparisons, cause if you just look at scoreboard total dmg and dps, you risk becoming an "ungabunga big number!" player without ever considering or realizing there were other reasons and factors limiting those numbers by default.

As a reference i often see Apo runs having on average of 15-16M total damage dealt (removed 1M to account for overkills roughly), and 17-18M total dmg dealt in Temenos runs. Say you have that DRG s5 buffed to death in Apollyon averaging 69k wsd dmg and hitting 7-8M in a run + that good RDM pulling 4M+ dmg, that would automatically mean for 2nd DD and COR guaranteed "underperforming" according to dps numbers, since they'll be left splitting the last 4-6M total dmg expected from the run. Try to notice these things next time you parse Sheol C or Limbus.

Maybe we can slowly help the community to use parsing tools as a real way to improve and learn, rather than just using them as a way to boost fragile egos more often than not, or judging others secretly with our inner DDgrinch friends circle (insert screenshot of DD posting Sheol C parse where he did 10M but BRD didn't engage and COR or 2nd DD were doing ***XD)


P.S: Hoxne Ampulla for Limbus runs?? wow you guys really got gil to throw huh, I hope that was just for testing rather than a fulltime thing! Your sortie route must be DH ABC JEF-Bezos or something if you use the Ampulla for Limbus o.ò