Laphria Vs Hellheim

Are there any proud owners of both the prime GS and prime GA. Looking to gear up WAR but I also play RUN and I would like to dabble in DRK. So I am wondering how close / far apart are these two weapons for DPS on WAR? Are they close enough that the trade off for slightly less DPS on GS is worth because it can be used across multiple jobs? Or is it so far behind Great Axe that it isn’t worth ??

I have both. The Great Axe is superior for war as one would think. If war is your main, id highly recommend it over helhime.

That said, helhime is a very underrated weapon. It is Drk's highest dps option (though scythe and caldbolg are not that far behind but still noticably behind) and it is definitely usable on war. I consider it useless for run but I only use my run to tank oddy. When i have used it though, its impressive damage for a Run and fun to use for sure.

When comparing it on war specifically to Laphris, I find the white dmg much lower, ws dmg about 5 to 7 percent less and slower in gaing tp. I do use it often on war when I need Shockwave (cough limbus)and love having the option to swap between both but that lower weapon rating and not having breaks, combined with weaker dmg and slower tp is always subpar.

Definitely not a horrible idea to go with Helhime based on your situation but Laphria just makes war feel right.

I agree with Atrox.

I have both s5 and they are very similar with an edge to Laphria for DPS and the party utility of GA.

I made Helheim first because it can be used for WAR and DRK also Shockwave is very useful for crowd control in Limbus.

Helhiem used by 4 jobs and covers Darkness SC option, same Laphria, which is used only by WAR. both need 6 month grind. if you love WAR go for Lapharia.

Laphria is darkness my friend. Unless I misread you?

Thanks for the feedback, kind what I was expecting. Not as good as Laphria or WAR, BUT it has use over multiple jobs and it’s good for one of those jobs and fun for the other… I think it’s worth the trade off for me to make Helheim

My Bad :D

You pick Laphria so you can immediately lockstyle into Helgoland (the giant concrete block hammer you can get from Ambuscade), and have Disaster look like you're turning someone's face into a smoothie.

at stage 4, caladbolg is slightly stronger than helheim for drk/pld FYI. So if you are not going all the way to stage 5 consider that.

I kind of regret doing helheim honestly. It is a great weapon, but thinking back, i would have rather had a great great axe for my warrior than helheim. The difference between Caladbolg and Helheim aren't enough imo for that job. And for pld and run it's a toy for MLs really, not anything else.

I would and I did go for Helheim. It swings 12% faster than Laphria by default, and is not hard to gear to 5-hit, 100% datk. Laphria has appreciably higher base damage for harder hitting autos, but Fimbulvetr has superior SC properties and damage calculation vs. Disaster and its autos come out faster.

If you're finding substantial advantage in damage with Laphria, then you're probably not using an appropriate set for Helheim. It's fallen into this weird group think where people just want the, "signature" weapon of WAR to be the best, so everyone seems to be chanting ad infinitum, "Yeah Laphria is slightly better overall plus BREAKS!" Which, you know, if you need Breaks for content, then you can still do them and weapon swap(or you could be realistic and have your BRD do Shell Crusher cause breaks other than DEF down are usually not cared about, but if they are they are worth the weapon swap). The horror!

That said, Disaster does have the cooler WS animation. Just can't beat a giant sun shaped explosion. Thanks Metatron Torment! (Course I'm still really fond of Scourge, as it looks like opening up heaven with a small halo at the top, and then slicing through the firmament of reality)

But I would definitely go for Helheim, especially if you are interested in the other jobs on it as well.

Nah I've seen both, Laphria on War is a bit stronger. The appropriate ws sets are all the same, only stat mods change.

+10 Store TP is more useful on WAR then +10 DA, both WS's perform the same and both make Darkness. Both are 60% STR/VIT with similar fTP scaling.


The stat mods are identical.

Well, Laphria has 380 DMG and Helheim has 336, so I wouldn't expect the WS to perform exactly the same.

Laphira swings a bit slower (because of higher delay), but also does more damage.

Swapping cape stats evens them out for the most part. DA for Helheim, STP for Laphria. Hoxne Ampulla favors Helheim if you go that route.