October 2025 Version Update

Reminds me of my wedding night.

Legend has it that were as a substantial amount of EP lost through repeated use of taking Altana's name in vain.

SE did a sufficient investigation, but without any video evidence, could not hand out any bans; however, they strongly suggested the use of a 'safe word' for any future endeavors of this sort.

I hope this reaches who it needs to and may Altana bless you.

Also, Sortie is canceled. 4/6 cannot make it and I'm not shouting for that many people.

I think it comes down to the direction SE took after Sortie. I remember somebody warned us...

They said the music to Sortie sucked - I remember it - they said they went to Juilliard or something so they know music, but that was the first time we felt discourse to the direction they were taking (besides why is everything is purple)

god damn was he right... that song does suck listening to it again.

I don't mind EP loss as long I can point to the cause of death and fix it. The real frustration is for EP loss from deaths that feel unavoidable(skill issue or not). SE knows this, thus why AMAN Trove, Ambuscade, etc. have EP loss disabled.

Anyways - I'm ready for SE to turn off EP loss on Limbus NM's, already, please. Grace helps, Scherzo/Mambo/Darkblade helps, but some of those moves are still pure one-shot BS.

Oh yeah, it's so grueling at level 30. If you're ML30, going for ML31, you need 258,409 TNL. This means you lose 5,168 if you HP. That's 1/12 of a single Peach Power, or about 3 minutes in a decent EP party, or idk...1/10 of a single segment farm? It's quite a bit less than that if you're in Limbus. If you get a R3 and are in limbus, it's 331 EP, or about 1/2-1/3 of a single Apex mob.

Oh yeah, it's so punishing, they need to remove it. *** get real. Can anyone please join me in reality?


If you're "forced" to home point regularly I think you need to work on your gameplay because RR3 buffs exist in the game. You can get it from a field book, you can get it from about 5 different items, and you can buy RR1/2 from NPCs insanely easy, plus get a RR1 every day for free with rabbit ears. If you're dying in a pile of aggressive mobs, or in an unsafe place in an odyssey arena, you're making a mistake. Don't make a mistake next time. Hurray, EP loss taught you something.

Also, and I know I say this a lot but seriously...get some *** friends. Even if I were solo and died in some *** up place in Limbus or w/e...there's a very good chance I could convince a handful of people to come clear my body and raise me. I have a linkshell full of people who could come help me if I needed it. Because it's an MMO.


Um yeah. If it's difficult for you to understand this, here's another example:
You "earn" your money by stealing it from orphans.
Stealing is bad.
You lose this money by gambling it, or it's stolen from you.
I don't feel bad, because you're just going to steal more money from more orphans.

See? There's absolutely 0 logical inconsistency here. It is, in fact, 100% consistent with itself. The very reason I'm unsympathetic is BECAUSE of the source of your money/EP, and the source of it also makes it easy to get more, making it even less sympathetic. I hope this example helped, let me know if you have any more challenges understanding.


And again, unless you're a complete moron, when you're RP farming if you die (see earlier post, you don't have to), you can get a R3 in the fight or die at the end, then get an arise in the lobby. So you're losing like...1500 EP or less per death, below ML40. If you're ML50 you lose 7,635, sure...but that's still like 2~3 minutes of EP farming.

Under normal circumstances where you're not being a total idiot, EP losses are totally inconsequential.

As someone who hit mlvl 30 on multiple jobs from only doing Ody, the amount of points needed past 30 is beyond outrageous. While I am sure some people do Peach Power or farm it manually... If I see you at MLVL 50 I legit presume you botted it. MLVL 50 is not a brag imo, it does not show skill at all and I wouldn't invite people to pugs based on this fact.

It's a shame because 'back in the day' when Job Points were new-ish. Those stars would suggest at least some level of gear. Master levels do not do this.

I wish people still used the seek party feature. It's a function that exists, but it's long dead.

Now if you want real exp you gotta shout for it, and hope you get good folks.

It must work decently, because I've seen the same people on Bahamut shouting for real exp groups enough. Generally with a like, "Let's EXP for 1 hour. Maybe 2." tag line. And if you did that daily with really geared/good people, you could probably naturally get ML50 in a few months.

But I can never get up enough gumption to go do it, so I get most of my exemplar solo or from Ody C(and like maybe 11k from Sortie a day). I've been on overnighters for JP with folks who use the forbidden fruit, and one time I got my WAR in with a friend doing that. But typically, for whatever twist of fate reason, I always DC in the middle of the night unless it's earning JP. The one time I got my WAR in, I stayed up EXPing til we had Chain 522, and then couldn't stay awake anymore. Woke up to being DC'd, and had merely earned another 100k Exemplar before I DC'd.

And I got open to taking whatever EXP people wanna give me/get me after I did the Oboro grind solo with Trusts. You know. 15 weeks of earning 700 JP a week on a mastered job? That thing people tell you isn't worth your time?

Well, if you do it on Apex or Locus monsters that net you good Exemplar per kill, you reach about ML32 with half way to ML33. Pretty obvious to me after that, that most MLs are botted. That was 4 months of hardcore solo grinding on Apex Poxhounds and eventually Locus Ghost Crabs on my Warrior. Of course, my Warrior did most of that in Ambu +2 gearsets with some Empyrean +2/3 eventually.

Obviously that grind is gated by only being allowed to turn in 700 JP per week, but it's still a measure of 10k JP = ML32. Mastering 5 jobs = ML32.

This grind is insane. I'm ML44 now and, "close to ML45." Which is 600k Exemplar away. I'm 1mil and 50000 into my level buffer lmao. Jesus.

Bit of an exponential problem at ML40, dont you think?

Instead of bitching and moaning about "anyone at ML50 is a low skill botting loser who doesnt know how to play FFXI" (which is immensely false), maybe you should *** and moan about how the only way to get ML50 in a sane manner is to bot.


Just to compare with XP (since JP and CP were linear throughout)
2-8 = prev+250
9-23 = +200
24-50 = +100
51-61 = +1200
61-70 = +1500
70-75 = +2000
76-99 = +500

I'm approaching ML50 on my main Sortie job, and I'm incredibly reluctant to HP anymore. For me it's not enough to say, hey you can just break even by doing more Sortie or Limbus. I need to actually get ahead by doing these events. The lost XP really hurts if you're not botting.

I typically use BST for RP farming on V25 Bumba/T3 NMs, I use Reraisers/Hi-Reraisers every time. I don't always have a WHM for Arise in party, and I've lost 700k in 5 supercharge runs.

Let's start a support group. (T_T)


Don't presume to think that you know even a fraction of what I know. Thorny is as far beyond botters, as botters are to ordinary players. (He just doesn't have the same risk/reward or time/effort ratios as those of us who must press keys with our organic, feeble and error-prone hands).

Anyway, the point being made is still valid, that XP loss as motivation for replay is pretty lame. Even if SE gave us a 1M XP buffer that we could fill up and apply to any job, at will...still lame.

Also, let's be honest. Beastmaster players are not ordinary players. (So, we probably already fail your "right job" check).

I just want to add this in too

OOOOOOOO ML30, big dog thinks they're 3/5'ths the way to ML50 on multiple jobs.

Let me break some soul crushing news to you buddy: you've earned roughly 2.6 million EP on those jobs but it takes about 26 million EP to hit ML50 and have a 250k buffer. Congratulations, you're a paltry 10% of the way to ML50 on "multiple jobs from only doing Ody". The 2.6 million EP you earned on multiple jobs from Ody alone is what it takes to get from 47 to 48, just one level and not even the highest level.

To compare this accomplishment in EXP levels, you just said "I have multiple jobs at lv46".


So again, instead of crying about "ML50 are low skill bot idiots", maybe you should expend that energy into why the exponential jump at ML40.


I got ML50 on all my chars across the board. I could easily say "I got mine" and pull the ladder up with me like the rest of the noskill morons on Asura who go "ML50 or bust", instead I'm still in the trenches talking about how *** stupid the EP grind becomes and saying ML50 isnt required.

But but! ML50 is fine as it is because you don't need it for anything! So who cares if it's brokenly stupid to obtain it!
I sure hope SE never addresses it and leaves it as it is because, let's face it, it's perfect the exact way it is!

Leave the moogle alone and get you the twilight/crep set!

Again, I got mine

Maybe you should learn to read and cite properly. I never said "anyone at ML50 is a low skill botting loser who doesnt know how to play FFXI". But I guess English is no longer required to pass highschool *shrug*.

You getting so instantly aggro is a super red flag too. Why are you so pissed I wouldn't see mlvl50 as a brag? *Ponders*

Again, I never said ML30 was a brag either. If anything Mlvls in themselves are just stupid Job Points. At least Job Points were fun to farm with cool rewards.

I recommend using NotebookLM to work on reading comprehension of materials.

You're right, what you said wasWhich apparently means something completely different from
My apologies for not knowing English, I was born in Quebec, all I know is poutine and hockey.


Be a peach power and help me out though: What does "If I see you at MLVL 50 I legit presume you botted it. MLVL 50 is not a brag imo, it does not show skill at all and I wouldn't invite people to pugs based on this fact" actually mean? What I assumed it meant was so far off base according to you that you criticized my knowledge of the English lexicon over it.

Basically nothing in ffxi is brag worthy. The only brag worthy thing I've seen in years is doing 9 boss sortie as MNK+MNK and MNK+SAM. Before that maybe the first E solos and before that Omen boss solos.

The rest of it is just ironic bragging that you:
1. Play a lot.
2. Bot a lot.
3. Buy a *** ton of gil.

P.S. When I brag about botting it's not *** lame *** EP. I'm bragging that I didn't waste my life doing pointless ***1000x.

I think Thorny has proven that he is well capable of based reasoning, that's why his financial bias becomes so much more apparent when he starts taking sides for something like EP loss.

I instantly believe that you're the type of guy to bug others to come raise you in 2025. "/t Joe hey Joe, I know you only got like 2 hours of free time at the weekends but I had a little fuggy wuggy with my super buffed multibox over in limbus, would you mind?"

The climate also has changed. If you're solo and don't want to bug anyone you could lie dead for the full 60 minutes in the most crowded places, Kamihr Drifts Bivouac #4 or rabao, without receiving a single R1.

Aren't you the guy who went 8 final stage crafting shields deep into pay2win?

All I've learned is that my odyssey solo chest popping THF isn't going to ding ML50 any time soon.

So...

Anymore data on the Malignance Box droprate?

'-')

Dogshit, but still better than 0/1000 at 4/5

Welp, I asked. lol

Shouldn't have expected better...

Back to the retirement home.

Felgarr pls

Not sure if this was to me, but... I can assure you, I'm not Felgarr. lol

I can see that!

He posted earlier in this thread on this same page.