October 2025 Version Update

I've personally not been able to look into too much but I have several people in my LS that helped me to collect data for https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/58639/where-is-nm-a-limbus-nm-tracker

if I recall we've seen a total of 20 spawns this week and killed all of them, so some NM are missing and its up in the air wherever they'll spawn on Monday (unless we missed them of course). ??? spawns been pretty sparse though, not sure if something changed for those in the update.

I keep hearing about personal rewards or better incentive to killing the NMs, but I want to ask, how would you balance that without unintentionally creating negative fomo for all the people who physically cannot attend due to work/school/life times vs the people who are around/work from home/don't work at all who can witch hunt all the NMs at jst midnight when they spawn all at once?

Mireu has a small personal reward, but imo the main incentive is the negative impact on losing to mireu and breaking the kill streak which lowers the general point accumulation.

Genuinely curious

Edit: do they actually add a penalty if we don't kill all the NMs? Like 1 NM not killed is a set reduction to the final chest rewards points, if we kill 0 NMs then just 0 point rewards? (Only half joking lol)

At the very very very least they should drop a large amount of EP and a small amount of Units.
10k EP? 3k Units?
And a chance for a zone-related Matter.
This would affect only people who took part and/or are in zone at the moment it's killed.
Which is a bit of a kick in the bollux for people who took part earlier but then went away, but given how the reward is so small and generic I doubt a lot of people would "feel" like they're missing out big.
It wouldn't be a big incentive of course, and it doesn't need to be, but it would be at least "something". The fact they don't even give EP a mob of their ilevel would give is beyond preposterous, if you ask me.

Just give them EP.

They clearly don't want to make units too easy to get, and you already get a large amount of them at higher content levels in any case.

The NMs are dyna wave3 level NMs, they should give level ~140 type EP at least.

I would give them some 60k EP, same as the peach power fight. Good incentive to fight them and gives a source of EP that isn't botting.

They cannot give exemplar. It'd be so high that you'd be pissed you missed the nm cause they'd be the new HNM, or it's so trivially low that it's pointless.

There is no fixing it. Short of giving the entire server both matters 100% upon killing of the complete list.

They can't give exemplar, they can't have drops, they can't have bonus points. Every available option makes them must kill and only a very small pool of people can kill them since they all spawn at exactly jp midnight and don't have a trillion HP.

Is this a per NM reward or a one type participation per month reward?

Because if it's per NM, then that's x22 for the people who play on spawn time, 220k EP and 66k units. Pretty hefty monthly bonus

Quoting on mobile is annoying.

60k ep would be crazy, there's a reason we can only do 1 pinkies per day. Imagine being able to do pinkies 8 times a day for a week.

They can definitely give EP.

Now the NMs are monthly, if you are present in every NM kill that is 22 kills per month per Limbus zone.

Even if they give 10k each, that's still only 220k exemplar a month per zone. There is no chance anyone will do all 44 nms in both zones every month.

That's less EP you get by doing Sortie or Sheol every other day.

That's not what happened. The cap is monthly. Not the NMs.

4 NMs still spawn every morning, per zone. (right?) Never going to do it so I'm assuming.

Reports say each job NM only spawns once, so once all 22 NMs are killed, they no longer spawn, before it was weekly, now it's monthly. So if the server is on top of the kills, NMs will stop spawning after the first week of the update

Edit: that's per zone, so 44 combined

Yes that's been my assumption as well, once killed they won't respawn until next month. I wouldn't call Shiva is a busy server but we've been able to kill them fast enough. Can't even imagine how its like on Asura, Odin and Bahamut.

They're only going to spawn 44 total nms for the entire month?

If you manage to kill them all week 1, zero nm spawns for 3 weeks?

If thats the case, that makes giving them exemplar points even worse.

@Dodik I disagree, if the personal reward is good enough, there are absolutely going to be people who make it a point to kill all 44 NMs. If it's not enough then still no one is going to bother. And public consensus already seems to point towards the matter drop rate isn't reward enough.

Yes, they've already said the NMs won't respawn when killed for the month.

The reward should be good enough precisely to incentivise people to kill them. It's 44 nms a month, you can't do it every day.

Then you have 30 days to kill 44 mobs. They need absolutely zero enhancement.

if you still needed to kill 44*4 then, they would need enhancement

@Meliora I can't say much as I log off before JP midnight when they spawn and I haven't had time to do Limbus the last 2 weeks to see if any are unkilled, but I have seen a late night JP shouter forming an alliance to hunt them on bahamut

There is still zero incentive to kill them.

And yet, theyre still always killed.

(*) no one cares about whatever 300 population server can't kill them all, sucks to suck.

I wouldn't call an increased matter droprate 0 incentive though. Even if it's small. For all we know it's 2% increase per NM and if we kill 0 NMs then we have no chance at a matter at all. (Basing off the estimate of 40% drop the last few weeks)

Increase drop rate by.. what. How much increase per NM.

We know the base rate sucks, not news. Unless you have a clear idea what killing an NM gives you, why spend hours doing it.

For the same reason people solo'd hundreds of VE Lilith's before the new update(and still will after) and the people who still farm shinryu. Because eventually the thing will drop. Lol

Because 1 is always greater than 0

even if it's .1 or .01 or .001 or .0001 it's still more than 0.0

Even if it gives a relatively small percent, if that applies to every box opened by every player on the server, you're creating a pretty huge benefit. If you only think of yourself, it's possible they're worthless. If everyone considered it in the context of who else it effected, it seems pretty clearly worthwhile.

Lol, I am sure human behaviour works that way.

We only have.. about 2,000 years of human evolution with evidence telling us otherwise.

Give incentives if you want people to do something or they won't do it simple as that.

They don't need to juice it up until people stop doing it

You're thinking 6 months from now (they will wait too long, of course. They're reactive and never proactive)

Limbus is empty 23 hours out of 24 as far as I can see.

Asura things are Asura things, no one gives a f.

You wouldn't be able to do it.
Peach Princess is always there for you, once a day.
NMs are there once per month, until killed. Then it's not up anymore, for nobody.

And honestly even if you were able to kill all 44 NMs (spoiler: you wouldn't) that's "only" 440k EP, in a month. I mean, so what?

Can we please stop treating EP like it's 2003 and we're playing a korean MMO? It's *** EP, not a legendary item of which there's only one copy per server, gdi.


10k was a mild suggestion, you think it's too big? Make it 5k, 1k, whatever. I don't see the big deal either way, they're not giving you free primes for an annoying NM kill eh

A single death at ML50 with no reraise, outside of Limbus zones, is ~80k lost EP, to give you an idea of how blatantly anachronistic and stupid that whole system is.

Sechs you're right, 10k EP a kill wouldn't be that broken, I was on mobile and typing was a pain, your suggested 3k units would be 66k bonus units per zone which is more of what I was trying to say as the hefty bonus but didn't articulate it properly. But you quoted me replying to Dodik's 60k ep per NM, which actually would be kinda broken. 60k x 44 would be 2.6million EP if killed every NM which again there are absolutely people that would. Which is 1.5x more than you can gain doing daily Peach Princess but also cramped in 7 days instead of 30.

But, now that I'm on pc I can reply a bit easier and have had some good input I think. My opinion is that personal rewards would be flawed and forever unbalanced unless its something meager and meaningless like handful of EP per kill which would be pointless.

Instead adding it to the final chest reward to me looks to be the only answer. Either EP or units, something like say 50 units per NM killed added to the final chest reward, if all 22 NMs killed that would boost the chest from 3k to 4100. Over the week would only be 5500 bonus units.

Only if you're ML50, at which point you're already capped so who gives a flying ***? If you die 50 times (outside of Limbus, it's more than that in Limbus) AND homepoint every time AND don't get any EP between all 50 of those deaths...maybe you don't deserve ML50 anymore.

While we're throwing out random, completely unbiased numbers...if you die in Limbus while ML30 and get an Arise or R3...you lose < 500 EP, or a little less than 1 Apex mob.

Oh yeah, how draconian.

People really need to stop obsessing over being ML50. Your life will improve dramatically, I promise you. In fact, if you delevel from ML50 to ML40 by dying thousands of times to this NM, you will be much better off. This is a blessing in disguise.

The core point to me is the fact that these NMs don't even give the EP and Units any other normal mob in the zone gives.
Zero, absolutely zero.
Feels like trolling if you ask me.
Would having them drop small amounts of units and ep create a big incentive to killing them?

I doubt it would radically change things, but it would be a (small) incentive nonetheless.
Small and due, if you ask me. The fact they give absolutely nothing feels so incredibly unpolished, incomplete and pure trolling.

I can only imagine it's because those NMs will have additional systems tied to their existence, but such systems are not in-game yet and as a consequence we get this "incompleteness" feeling.