Addon: JSE

I'm not going to post the email if Nalfey intended to keep it private. I'll confirm that I saw it and I do believe it was a real email. If he wants to post it himself, he can.

Bullet points:

• It was a reply to a GDPR request, not an unsolicited threat.

• It did state that 'further legal action' could be taken, but context made it seem like a generic statement rather than targeted.

• It also specifically stated the reason for ban was that Nalfey 'may have created or distributed' unauthorized software. It did not speak of use.

There's absolutely no reference to Github or request for takedown. My interpretation is that the statement about legal action was an artifact coming from generic communication. I found it very interesting that their documentation on the ban specifically said creating and distributing, rather than using. My interpretation would be that Nalfey was GMed for talking about making addons or telling others where to get them while ingame. Obviously, that's not the only possible interpretation.

Really, the biggest takeaway may be that GDPR allows banned europeans to get a little bit more info on their ban. Without more GDPR replies, it's hard to say if the language is always like that, but I'd be inclined to think it isn't. If the ban was for the use of tools, I would have expected it to say that. So, I'll admit that some of my assumptions from the last page were likely wrong. However, I do not think there was any legitimate legal threat made about the Github, nor do I think SE was even aware the Github existed.

Thanks for the summary, Thorny.

I agree most of it is just generic template and is to protect the company, I worked a lot with GDPR when it was implemented years ago at my company.

I find it interesting with the wording of "may have created or distributed unauthorized software". What happened here and what I assume most has come to the conclusion is that Nalfey in some way pissed off someone to being massreported as I doubt SE has time or the resources to skim through Github/Gitlab all day since we'd seen lot of more of these types of situations.

Some of my assumptions were also wrong in this thread, as it still sounds so unbelievable.

Could also be they discussed their addons/tools in game to someone. Putting that stuff live on SE's ingame logs is a very bad idea. I remember someone (Selindrile maybe?) had a massive warning on their github for people to never contact them in game about addon questions.


https://github.com/Selindrile/GearSwap
Big multiple large warnings lol
And its solid advice

I remember doing dyna with a friend a while back, and he posts in game "the bots ran in", live on the chat logs. I was not entertained.

It’s been a while since I was cribbing any code from here but I’m pretty sure it was Selendrile that went to the length of detecting if any users of his luas were sending him a /tell and doing a best effort detection of if the tell contained any references to 3rd party tools and blocking it.

I thought it was pretty hilarious but yeah, solid advice to keep anything out of game chat logs. I feel like people have become MUCH more complacent to this in recent years whereas back when you didn’t even mention windower ever in game. Now people openly talk about luas, react, whatever

Sorry for the necro bump but yes, lol, that was me, the code is still in there though I'm not playing at the moment, I still am updating code. In the height of my playtime on Asura at some point I was getting around 3-4 tells a day from random people I didn't know asking me something, usually about Gearswap or Roller.

I've had many friends over the years banned, but I've never so much as had a warning despite being a reasonably well-known name in the FFXI community and my name being very associated with botting/multiboxing, and actually streaming on twitch editing gearswap files for viewers' benefit.

Though in reality I probably fleehacked/poshacked/botted quite a bit less than the average endgame player, but I think the thing that truly set me apart from the players in my LSes that got banned is the fact that I do my best to never mention anything third party ingame, while a lot of others who have, do.

That sucks, Nalf always seemed like a nice person. Sorry your account got banned.

im a lurker but I had to make an account just to comment, boy you guys are some miserable ***. I feel bad for the guy getting called a liar, he/she already made an addon and was trying to be helpful then to be accused a liar of something so trivial wtf!

Bro wut.

Thinking SE is going around searching for XI player names on Github just so they can ban a paying customer is some next level paranoia.

Has there been a single recorded time where SE overturned or looked the other way on a ban because someone is "a paying customer"?

If not you are just being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for no good reason.

SE has a zero tolerance policy for third party because they don't want to pay someone to parse a bunch of mods and have to explain to people how they are cheating and why that's a bad thing. It's cheaper to rely on the inmates to police each other, which explains why this jail is in the state it's in currently.

How in the *** is that related in any way whatsoever to what Dodik said?

Imagine you vibe code some addon to use an echo drop when silenced, and unknowingly to you it does some wild ***that causes the server to crash and wipe the database (I know) when it slipped in some ancient Taj code or something.

So they nuke you from orbit and sue you for 10 billion dollars.

I just wanted to use an echo drop SEbro, why u has to slap.

SE has the information necessary to 100% detect every person using windower, with 0 false positives. Yet they do not ban all these players, they just "look the other way" or they are incompetent ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How about you re-release the addons under a new name and just say you are a random fan that branched it? I think I use a few of the HUD ones as they seem quite good. Please dont pull a Spicy and nuke the stuff for no reason.

SE wont come after you for HUD, etc. Imagine the PR backlash it would cause if they sued you over your love for the game. TOS be damned the public backlash would be just another blow for them.

I don't normally post but I 100% agree with this. The addons were well done and I just took up BST and would love to use the addon you made.

Nal haven't been active (posting at least) since November of last year, so unless someone had a recent version I think it's pretty much gone. Or someone can make their own version.

I honestly don't remember what the addons did. I think I had an early version of one of them.

This is the latest version I have of it, I'm gonna upload it as-is since I've had so many people ask if I had a copy, and it is a solid addon that deserves to be out there and available somewhere.

Only changes made were some to the readme for clarity purposes, everything else is exactly as that version of the addon was.

I'd encourage everyone to put a license on their code. Doesn't matter what license, just use one.

In cases like this, someone distributing code not owned by themselves with no license attached puts them in copyright infringement.

Serious stuff, I am sure you realise. I know no one will care.

Just add licenses to your code anyway.

I'm a big opponent for FOSS, so I generally set MIT on everything I make for the public domain, with some exceptions. So its open for everyone to fork and do pretty much whatever they want with it.

@Daleterrence you’ve got some balls to put my work up on your github without even asking me.
I’m still playing the game I just don’t want to be part of this toxic forum after the way you guys treated me in this thread.

Lots of people reached out in PMs asking for the latest versions of JSE, BST HUD and SMN HUDs. And I’m still sending them out on discord to people who are actually grateful.

Toxic = questioning your story that you were banned because you have a github with a very harmless FFXI addon and subsequently questioning your story that SE forced you to take down said github with threats of lawsuits?? Cmon man

Dude are you really going to start this thread all over again ?
This is exactly the kind of attitude I’m talking about.
Go back a few pages and read it as many times as you need to, clearly you’re too dumb to understand and you’re just hyperbolizing everything.

Sure

So this is you claiming that SE demanded you delete your GitHub via threats of litigation.

Multiple people called it out because everything about your posts defied all knowledge of the ban process. This back and forth went on for a bit, you then went on the offensive starting to attack people for whatever reason, probably because we werent buying the *** you were selling about SE banning you because a GitHub with FFXI addons matched your ingame name, and I said this:


The fact that you're now puling a Greta Thunberg going "HOW DARE YOU" to Daleterrence for keeping a copy of your addon kinda confirms what I quoted above about you deleting the GitHub because "*** the community I'm not part of anymore".