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June 2025 Version Update
By Kaffy 2025-07-03 12:26:33
Quote: I still wouldn't consider that to be exploring, experimenting, etc. It's just really aggressive cheating while cleaving. Boring. I think the real takeaway is just that this person thought warping boss to boss was unique then followed it up with an above average cleave session and a bit of exaggeration.
Could very well be the case, definitely need more information.
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Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-07-03 12:26:38
But what speed? I have seen people using 50% rarely, and 100% very very rarely in there. Never seen 30% people banned. I don't think you can conclusively find a cutoff that's always safe. SE can reliably detect 30% as well as they can reliably detect 50% if you run in a straight line for 1.2s (0.75 with packetflow). It only takes 3 consecutive movement updates to solidify that your client knew your speed buffs were gone(the response packet says the last packet sequence you received) and you continued to move in that direction at that speed.
Maybe 30% is currently below their threshold, or maybe you're just lucky so far. Someone cheating and not getting banned is always going to be a poor indicator, because they ban so few even with the aggressive level of cheating present right now.
For that matter, we don't even know how much of a role reporting plays. Would your 30% get you banned if someone who dislikes you saw that you were in Sortie and reported you? Who knows. Everyone entertains their own accepted level of risk.
All you do is warp then change your Y coord, all mobs in any zone, jump to you This seems correct upon reading it. Think of the elevator before PM5-2 or the cliff in Uleguerand. Pretty common to have mobs warp to you there when you momentarily report an invalid Y location.
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By K123 2025-07-03 13:31:40
I think the real takeaway is just that this person thought warping boss to boss was unique then followed it up with an above average cleave session and a bit of exaggeration. Nah, he was full of ***and jumped on the only viable option (I agree with you it is not even viable time wise still) to save face. Pure bullshitter.
FTR I never speed hack either, that is mad ***risky always IMO.
Asura.Shiraj
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By Asura.Shiraj 2025-07-03 14:48:55
Quote: Eventually, I started experimenting, just doing insanely silly routes, going into sectors and doing objectives no one had ever talked about. I started progressing even farther-- 90k, then 95k, then 100k per run.
I don't think most people will believe me but I am now pulling between 110-120k galli per run, using a completely unorthodox strategy for the mid-run section while still doing all boss sections with the usual standard strats (Aminon dnc, kite Aita/Gartell, etc). This is the elite game play btw.
But the reality seems like only one person (?) was able to approach my situation with a bit of empathy Why would someone be empathetic to someone trying to fish for validation and approval WHILE CHEATING THEIR *** OFF. I get you have an inflated ego and wanted some reassurance which is why this became public in the beginning, but bruh claiming to have found a bug while running 800% Tako and Silmaril warping is not the way to get people's "Empathy". You probably unsubbed because you're scared of being banned. Nice discord profile change btw:
Sorry for the misconception, but yes, this is not "legit". It is exploiting a bug I discovered within Sortie around December-January, and was running daily getting about 110k~120k until I quit last month. What bug? I see 800% Tako and Silmaril ripping around. Again if you wanna fish for compliments I wouldn't advise releasing tutorial videos on Nyzul and Seg farms while activiely POS hacking and speed hacking. You just look like a dumbass.
FYI: This is easy guys, you need to be innovative
Also bonus:
Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-07-03 16:17:04
You probably unsubbed because you're scared of being banned After seeing how high he has speed turned in that video, I can't help but think back to how many people 'unsubbed' around the time of ban waves in the past. Guess we have an answer though; he doesn't have any unique tools or secrets, same stuff as everyone else just more blatant.
Quote: since I already concluded all my research/experimentation with Sortie awhile ago, as well as got to learn and experience everything I wanted to in the game This part really sounds like dude got banned and is back here because he doesn't know what else to spend his time on.
By K123 2025-07-03 17:30:16
Let's stop entertaining him then.
One thing I will agree with is when you realise how much people bot and hack and buy Gil to get elite it really makes you wonder why you bother to play legit though.
I was 1000% legit until 2017 then realised that noone has all the levels and gil and weapons they have manually. I felt like such a mug for playing legit the whole time.
By Lili 2025-07-03 18:32:33
I don't think you can conclusively find a cutoff that's always safe.
We do have a cutoff for the forced DC tho, right? Is that still in?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-07-03 18:37:52
4006 is more about duration / distance than speed itself. Like a meter that builds up maybe. Every stop it decays.
You can run 800% as long as you stop enough. But if you run 30% nonstop it'll hit you. (but it could be the micro jumps that farming does, stopped learning because it got annoying to keep hitting it)
Sidenote, no character that ever 4006'd, no matter how many times has gotten banned (yet) Just for informational purposes, whoever wants to think it's some autoban device or whatnot.
By soralin 2025-07-03 18:44:25
From a backend perspective, it's probably just comparing your position <some time> ago vs your position now.
And if that distance is > a threshold, it slaps you.
Since this comparison is kinda expensive, you wanna avoid doing it too often since you are tracking it for every single player.
So, they have a long time distance to track on to save computations. It could be something like only every minute they take a look and if you just traveled a very far distance in that 1 minute, you get bonked.
An easy test would just be run around really fast but only in a small circle, if it works like above you'll never get disconnected because technically you never actually travelled far from any 1 position to another.
Whereas if you go in a mostly straight line, then you get slapped.
By Tarage 2025-07-03 18:45:10
If you come into a thread like this or you make a thread in which you brag about some super secret hardcore X that improves Y but then don't actually share ANY information about it, you should be banned from the site for trolling.
There is zero reason to encourage this type of behavior. Ban and move on.
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By soralin 2025-07-03 18:51:20
If you come into a thread like this or you make a thread in which you brag about some super secret hardcore X that improves Y but then don't actually share ANY information about it, you should be banned from the site for trolling.
There is zero reason to encourage this type of behavior. Ban and move on.
You'd think simply just outright stating they are exploiting a bug would be sufficient to get them banned anyways.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2025-07-03 19:01:51
17 tips to make FFXI GIL GOLD MUNNY, #12 will shock you!
By Kaffy 2025-07-03 19:16:58
Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-07-03 19:40:51
I was 1000% legit until 2017 then realised that noone has all the levels and gil and weapons they have manually. I felt like such a mug for playing legit the whole time.
I mean, I wouldn't say no one.
Also: "other people cheat so I might as well too" is still a ridiculous (and immoral) line of thought so...IDK, I don't buy this attitude. Apply this logic to anything IRL.
Though I guess according to most FFXI players, morals don't exist when it comes to video games so...you're certainly in the majority!
Caitsith.Sepo
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By Caitsith.Sepo 2025-07-03 21:50:56
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXgdI9CQJzg&ab_channel=AShadyManInBlack
Hey all, sorry I was initially planning on doing a recording of my most recent route but Dex actually raised a good point, it'll cost me about 90$ just to resub and I'm probably rusty and out of shape anyways so it would take me a couple runs to get back in the groove and then record. And i'm just too lazy for that, so here's a video I already made awhile back that was just sitting on my HDD, as I was still on the fence about whether I should share it or not.
Fair warning, the route in the video is outdated and typically only nets about 125k-127k depending on ghosting. I have since then made some changes and have a new route that consistently got 129-130k is a bit tighter and requires some more execution. In any case, I put the entire route information for both the recent and legacy routes in the video description.
Anyways, there likely may not be much novelty here since I figure most people have already figured it out, but if anyone is interested anyways, there it is.
By the way, some of you guys need to take it easy. I never stated I was special/bEttEr thaN yoU/skilled pLAyeR/or whatever yall want to project onto me. I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm literally just some *** random *** dude. If you want to compare yourself to me, than that's on you, don't assume I'm interested in playing that game. There's no reason for me to look down on or win the approval of anyone here. Maybe it was the way I worded my posts which could be interpreted as that since it isn't vocal communication? If that was the case then I apologize as I'm not the best at communication.
I'm literally just a guy who found something he personally thought was cool and wanted to share it with others. So I will.
Anyways, thanks again to everyone who helped me during my time playing. Hopefully someone finds this as interesting as I did. Maybe not though, I guess I'm pretty weird for being into this kind of stuff.
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By Seun 2025-07-03 22:21:47
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »I was 1000% legit until 2017 then realised that noone has all the levels and gil and weapons they have manually. I felt like such a mug for playing legit the whole time.
I mean, I wouldn't say no one.
They didn't turn sparks off until 2020 so he fell off pretty early. Also could have made like 20 REM just from running ambu and doing trials, but a weapon every few months isn't fast enough for people these days. I only play single account so maybe it's different for people trying to gear 6x or something.
By Felgarr 2025-07-03 22:28:24
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »0% chance this man ever posts a video of this run. I'll post a video of eating my own *** if he posts a full video of a 130k muffin sortie run. Just the tip for 120k+
Time to put up.
(Video has copyrighted music but is watchable if you set your VPN to Japan)
Edit: Some people asked, so I uploaded it to my google drive. Here's the 980MB video in 1080p/60fps, mp4 format. (I will probably delete this link after a day or two).
Sepo's video: 130k.mp4
Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-07-03 22:31:09
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »0% chance this man ever posts a video of this run. I'll post a video of eating my own *** if he posts a full video of a 130k muffin sortie run. Just the tip for 120k+
Time to put up.
(Video has copyrighted music but is watchable if you set your VPN to Japan)
Debatable whether this is a "full video" because whatever but...
At the beginning of this video he has 7,192,904 muffins, at the end he gets 7,270,369.
I wouldn't call that 130k, but maybe I'm missing something.
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Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-03 22:36:33
Using packet injection to POS around "legit" and running at 800% speed isnt an exploit though.
By Tarage 2025-07-03 22:44:23
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-07-03 22:51:50
damn, i was trying to post the rhodey endgame gif of this earlier in the day and it wouldn't work.
By Tarage 2025-07-03 23:03:45
damn, i was trying to post the rhodey endgame gif of this earlier in the day and it wouldn't work.
I appreciate it in spirit.
By Felgarr 2025-07-03 23:59:19
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »0% chance this man ever posts a video of this run. I'll post a video of eating my own *** if he posts a full video of a 130k muffin sortie run. Just the tip for 120k+
Time to put up.
(Video has copyrighted music but is watchable if you set your VPN to Japan)
Debatable whether this is a "full video" because whatever but...
Are you upset he didn't rewind the VHS tape first? Come on, make with the *** eating:
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By fractalvoid 2025-07-04 00:23:49
if he posts a full video of a 130k muffin sortie run
he posted a vid of 78~80k run which while probably not do-able without all the *** used is nothing really impressive. a legit group can easily do 60k+
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By Kaffy 2025-07-04 00:26:33
I really wanted to watch, I swear. but the youtube link is blocked and I'm not sitting through the entire thing with that music and not being able to skip around in the rehosted one.
Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-07-04 00:37:09
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »At the beginning of this video he has 7,192,904 muffins, at the end he gets 7,270,369.
I wouldn't call that 130k, but maybe I'm missing something.
I definitely missed some stuff, just went back and looked at more of it: he's actually "playing" while the screen is covered in equipsets and other ***, so I didn't see the muffins from the beginning.
I'm not sure how this 40 minute video includes 60 minutes' worth of gameplay, maybe it's at 1.5x speed or something. With all the teleporting all over the place and the nyzul run in the middle, it's too obnoxious to bother trying to parse through.
By Tarage 2025-07-04 00:46:23
So again, ban his ***. Who do I have to yell at to get this obvious troll banned?
By Kadokawa 2025-07-04 01:37:22
I bet some Asura Players do better than that guy.
By SimonSes 2025-07-04 02:48:58
Let's stop entertaining him then.
One thing I will agree with is when you realise how much people bot and hack and buy Gil to get elite it really makes you wonder why you bother to play legit though.
I was 1000% legit until 2017 then realised that noone has all the levels and gil and weapons they have manually. I felt like such a mug for playing legit the whole time.
Why would you care? In general it's not a competitive game and whenever it is competitive, like first time clears on master trials, then you need to prove you have done it legit or it doesn't mean anything.
If you only care about getting stuff and you don't enjoy the process of getting it, then why you even force yourself to play?
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By K123 2025-07-04 03:30:30
Let's stop entertaining him then.
One thing I will agree with is when you realise how much people bot and hack and buy Gil to get elite it really makes you wonder why you bother to play legit though.
I was 1000% legit until 2017 then realised that noone has all the levels and gil and weapons they have manually. I felt like such a mug for playing legit the whole time.
Why would you care? In general it's not a competitive game and whenever it is competitive, like first time clears on master trials, then you need to prove you have done it legit or it doesn't mean anything.
If you only care about getting stuff and you don't enjoy the process of getting it, then why you even force yourself to play? None of your post addresses anything I've said in mine.
You do feel like a mug farming crap to buy your next stack of food when every other *** is botting and buying gil.
To address the "not everyone" comment, yeah there are a few that don't but they're also serious no lifers with 60000+ hours playtime.
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