Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
I wonder if there will be any +4 pieces that will change a previously useless piece by adding something useful to it.
So... possible? Yes! Likely? Alas no.
Artifact/Relic +4 Armor Speculation Thread
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Artifact/Relic +4 Armor Speculation Thread
That would likely require individual adjustments to each piece, which would be great but I honestly doubt it's gonna happen because of the sheer amount of pieces that they would have to individually adjust (220 to be exact). So... possible? Yes! Likely? Alas no. Tarage said: » Felgarr said: » I want to see SE's take on Beastmaster +4 armor more than anything. To Charm or not to Charm, that is the question... The lazy thing would just be to increase the numbers without considering anything about what those numbers actually mean. That's what I'm expecting. How long till AF2+4 on SMN has BP delay of -16... step 2: wait for community complaints step 3: lower the minimum BP delay cap, thereby making SMN not total garbage again
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Asura.Sechs said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » I wonder if there will be any +4 pieces that will change a previously useless piece by adding something useful to it. So... possible? Yes! Likely? Alas no. Agreed with this but even just doing +1 to the special stat and + 5/10 to everything else (DEF/acc/att/STR/DEX..) would probably make a few pieces relevant again. I could see where they do the above and add something like PDL or -DT to 1 or 2 pieces to each set as well. (if 3/5 empy have -DT i could see them adding it to 1 relic and 1 AF piece for each job - which could then hit -DT 50% standing a mix or AF/relic/empy) I'm not holding my breath. Although if the +4 is good (for AF at least) it would justify the gil sink for the +3. "I prefer to keep things low-key and not get my hopes up too much about the +4 items. Feels like they’ll be more of the same... but hey, a few of 'em? Might still be worth it."
Example: Pummeler’s Lorica +4 DEF: 179 HP+111 STR+44 DEX+37 VIT+44 AGI+36 INT+36 MND+36 CHR+36 Accuracy+55 Attack+35 Evasion+70 Magic Evasion+92 “Magic Def. Bonus” +7 Haste +5% “Berserk” effect duration +23 Weapon skill damage +15% Set: Increases Accuracy, Ranged Accuracy, and Magic Accuracy As for Limbus... I’ve got this faint little hope that it ends up being 18-man content like Dynamis-Divergence. Starts off around wave 2.5 difficulty… but with some nasty spikes hitting like a wave 3.5. That’d keep things real interesting, but not extreme, like the 6 men content. Oh, and I almost forgot, if it ends up being 6-man content, I’m guessing the cooldown’ll be, what... 20 hours? Sounds about right. But if it’s for 18? Now that would be sweet with a 60-hour cooldown. Gives those Linkshells still grinding Dynamis a nice little rhythm. Tuesday for Dynamis, Thursday for Limbus... and boom, the rest of the week wide open for Odyssey and Sortie. Real tidy. Real clean. I like that."
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What if the +4 just goes the Besieged route and adds limbus specific buffs?
Tarage said: » What if the +4 just goes the Besieged route and adds limbus specific buffs? Because once the novelty of doing the new event wears off there's no reason to do said event anymore. So I think that is extremely unlikely. I'm expecting a similar trajectory from +2 to +3, hp/mp +10, stats and things like mab +5, acc, magic acc, evasion, attack, defense, magic damage +10, mdef bonus +1, pet stats will all gain a similar increase. haste values will likely remain the same, or maybe +1, things like ja durations (berserk) will continue on the same path, so the body +4 will likely bring it to 20 from 18. I'm expecting things like WSD do get a minor upgrade so from 10 to 12, but with the addition of pdl. I'm also expecting to see DT or variations of mdt, breath damage taken, and pdt across many pieces. looking just at the warrior set, I'm expecting a minor upgrade to multi attack, or maybe 1-2 and the same for store tp of 1-2 points. I'm expecting things like skills, weapon/magic of +2
I would like to see some stat evening though, the blm set for example having little to no mab across the set. I don't think they intend to make the AF set the end all be all set, so if i had to wager a guess, you will continue to use the pieces you're already using, with the addition of maybe 2-3 more in niche sets.
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LightningHelix said: » Tarage said: » Felgarr said: » I want to see SE's take on Beastmaster +4 armor more than anything. To Charm or not to Charm, that is the question... The lazy thing would just be to increase the numbers without considering anything about what those numbers actually mean. That's what I'm expecting. How long till AF2+4 on SMN has BP delay of -16... step 2: wait for community complaints step 3: lower the minimum BP delay cap, thereby making SMN not total garbage again watches as they implement the summoning wall for all content, making bloodpacts within 30 seconds deal 10% damage. Fenrir.Brimstonefox said: » Tarage said: » What if the +4 just goes the Besieged route and adds limbus specific buffs? Because once the novelty of doing the new event wears off there's no reason to do said event anymore. So I think that is extremely unlikely. I never said it was a good idea. I said what if SE does this because it's not a good idea. CrAZYVIC said: » Oh, and I almost forgot, if it ends up being 6-man content, I’m guessing the cooldown’ll be, what... 20 hours? Sounds about right. But if it’s for 18? Now that would be sweet with a 60-hour cooldown. Gives those Linkshells still grinding Dynamis a nice little rhythm. Tuesday for Dynamis, Thursday for Limbus... and boom, the rest of the week wide open for Odyssey and Sortie. Real tidy. Real clean. I like that." Didn't they already say there's no cooldown for entry which is why everyone figures it'll be full of bots there farming whatever new points system they come up with, 24/7? No cooldown to enter doesn't necessarily mean there's not gonna be a form of gating as in to how much currency you can accrue within a single day, with a jp midnight reset.
I'm not saying there will be such a system in place, just that we can't rule out the chance simply because they claimed there will be no cooldown on entry.
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Atrophy boots +4
Description: DEF:100 HP+102 MP+91 STR+27 DEX+26 VIT+31 AGI+47 INT+30 MND+34 CHR+49 Accuracy+71 Evasion+102 Magic Evasion+144 "Magic Def. Bonus"+9 Shield skill +35 Haste+5% Chance of successful block +20 Increased equiped shield size +2 Set: Increases Accuracy, Ranged Accuracy, and Magic Accuracy Bismarck.Nickeny said: » Atrophy boots +4 Description: DEF:100 HP+102 MP+91 STR+27 DEX+26 VIT+31 AGI+47 INT+30 MND+34 CHR+49 Accuracy+71 Evasion+102 Magic Evasion+144 "Magic Def. Bonus"+9 Shield skill +35 Haste+5% Chance of successful block +20 Increased equiped shield size +2 Set: Increases Accuracy, Ranged Accuracy, and Magic Accuracy RDM tanking is back from the nerf depths!
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I mean it's SE so willing to be let down but they just flat out have to add new stats beyond normal stat bump to like 90% of these pieces or it's going to be extremely meh.
Granted there is a possibility of the gear not stopping at +4 since they fully intend to add more content to limbus, in which case the +4 may in fact be mostly mediocre, who knows. Bit hyped for the data mining in a few days. Also I doubt the currency isn't going to be daily capped in some way, something is going to be gated, they aren't going to let you just hard grind it all right from the start. Perhaps the upgrade mats/currency is gated but you can use the zone for exp beyond that, though how is exp going to work if you can tag other peoples mobs for credit like they claimed?.
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Bahamut.Brixy said: » I feel like random augments are returning. An open area with no time limit + a synergy furnace screams Oseem 2.0 to me. Random augments also acts as a limiter. It doesn't matter how much you do the content if RNG won't allow you to progress. I don't see them going this route, because then you don't need to specify +4 to accomplish this. As far as the synergy style, I think this is going to be set gear without any augments, and we'll be able to dat mine them on day of the patch. I think the crucible is just for show; it should just operate like an NPC, but it would be kind of a cool minigame if they made the reforge process input-oriented. I believe they put it in the actual zone and not somewhere like Kazham or Selbina for a specific reason. Interesting nonetheless My prediction: Weren't the mats in chests for floor up in old limbus? Haven't done it for about 15 years so idr.
Bismarck.Nickeny said: » Atrophy boots +4 Description: DEF:100 HP+102 MP+91 STR+27 DEX+26 VIT+31 AGI+47 INT+30 MND+34 CHR+49 Accuracy+71 Evasion+102 Magic Evasion+144 "Magic Def. Bonus"+9 Shield skill +35 Haste+5% Chance of successful block +20 Increased equiped shield size +2 Set: Increases Accuracy, Ranged Accuracy, and Magic Accuracy Instantly making any Rdm without Aspis a gimp.
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Asura.Sechs said: » No cooldown to enter doesn't necessarily mean there's not gonna be a form of gating as in to how much currency you can accrue within a single day, with a jp midnight reset. I'm not saying there will be such a system in place, just that we can't rule out the chance simply because they claimed there will be no cooldown on entry. Oh true, plus they set the precedent with Galli that I'm sure they'll have a total cap you can hold, then increase it later on type thing.
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Tarage said: » What if the +4 just goes the Besieged route and adds limbus specific buffs? Assuming there is a limit to how much stat vomit they can put on a piece, i doubt they'd wanna waste space on "Limbus: junk", especially pet jobs who are gonna get a whole other page of vomit even if its just acc/macc/racc+50 But then they would be doing something crazy like giving pets an atk stat, or stp, da, etc. Utter madness
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As far as +4 acquisition process, placing my bet that here's what new Limbus is:
1) Earn currency (points) by fighting anything in there, as in Sortie: - Apollyon gets Apollimaurfy, Temenos gets Temenaufry if we're unlucky. - One shared Limbus currency if we are lucky. - Gallimaufry if we're very very lucky (we already got a free bonanza weapon, now you're just pushing your luck) 2) New Ancient Beastcoin equivalent. Drops from mobs in the Limbus zones, or from NMs, chests, etc. 3) +4 upgrade requires a not insubstantial quantity of said currency plus some other stuff. Maybe for AF that means appropriate drops similar to the AF+1 JSE upgrade materials from original Limbus. Maybe for Relic there are "-1" armor pieces like the old Relic-1 armors. Some quantity of the new ABCs, or maybe items purchased with them. 4) Future phases add NMs, for additional valuable drops such as equivalents to Homam/Nashira and the 99 version armor sets. Perhaps they also drop items related to +5 upgrades. 5) They hold back some of the areas in the initial launch, to release later in further phases of the development of the event. Similar to Sortie's phased approach of relasing A-D first then basement, Dyna-Divergence wave 3, Sheol A->B->C->D). 6) The pre-update note says they "plan to keep updating Limbus so that it provides even more robust battle content and a place for many new adventures to come". Future content could be new floors, NMs systems implemented in later phases. Future rewards could include items related to AF/Relic +5, unique armor sets, new JSE accesories (since they love those in modern events so much), currency for reforged Oboro level 119 JSE weapons, etc. 7) There's a timer or KI on entry system. Maybe relaxed over time, or can build up time you can remain inside (like Abyssea) and get time extensions somehow. 8) Mobs give good, apex level exemplar points to encourage more casual and solo players to engage with both the Limbus content and the ML system (that many people who aren't botting kind of ignore intentionally going out and doing, currently).
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: » - Apollyon gets Apollimaurfy, Temenos gets Temenaufry if we're unlucky. - One shared Limbus currency if we are lucky.
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: » 7) There's a timer or KI on entry system. Maybe relaxed over time, or can build up time you can remain inside (like Abyssea) and get time extensions somehow. You're the 3rd person I've seen speculating on Limbus calling out a timer when they have explicitly said that there is no timer. Theres no external timer
but theres an internal timer that hits you with the LM-17 when it expires Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Phoenix.Capuchin said: » - Apollyon gets Apollimaurfy, Temenos gets Temenaufry if we're unlucky. - One shared Limbus currency if we are lucky. SE said: For those of you looking to reforge relic armor, please head to Temenos; and those of you wishing to reforge artifact armor will want to head to Apollyon. Seun said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Phoenix.Capuchin said: » - Apollyon gets Apollimaurfy, Temenos gets Temenaufry if we're unlucky. - One shared Limbus currency if we are lucky. SE said: For those of you looking to reforge relic armor, please head to Temenos; and those of you wishing to reforge artifact armor will want to head to Apollyon. No time limit, good for XP and upgrades AF/Relic. Sounds like a botters heaven.
Which means there will be daily caps.
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Exactly that.
Unlimited time, but not unlimited gains. They don't want you to get all 220 pieces in one day. You have to play for 5 years for that. Cause there ain't gonna be ***else to do for that 5 years. Except your daily sortie for your 7th prime. |
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