Which Weapon Should I Get I'm Too Stupid To Pick!

> In your case, I'd personally say that Miracle Cheer is the best if you want to start playing BRD

Dont I also need to make the other REMA instruments for bard to be worth considering, otherwise I wont have a hope in hell of it ever being used in parties?

Cuz thats a *loooot* of work, I dont think Miracle cheer alone is enough to make it good right?

> Base damage means absolutely nothing when compared with mythic AM3

That was my thoughts as well, Epeo hits pretty hard and I do quite like the comfort of DPSing in such a tanky sword

> Base damage means nothing, it can't even remotely compete with any REMA weapon.

Its not competing with a REMA though, it's competing with uh, *checks notes from years ago* Crepuscular knife + Tauret? or something? Like very much not super jacked in terms of gear. Mostly I used Thf and Dnc for just soloing stuff cuz they travel fastest and THing stuff.

Also Im realizing that I was looking at the reforged stats not the normal stats, I see now that the reforged versions are different and unacquirable effectively.

> but long-term when/if you get some REMA

This likely will never happen, Id be much more inclined to make something like Nirvana or Opashoro if I was to dump that sorta time and effort into such a task.

> Diamond Aspis is the clear winner

Am I missing something, or is the only appeal of Diamond Aspis merely just getting the duration bonus on a handful of my buffs as paladin, namely sentinel, rampart, and palisade?

Just wanna confirm there isnt something else to consider on that one.

Actually, I just realized I was looking at the reforged versions and not normal versions, which explains why its way less of a big deal.

Okay so, now I think what I wanna be looking at is Air Knife as an offhand option, its the highest damage 150 delay dagger, though I have zero clue how that shores up against other offhands nowadays with extra hits or whatever

But my gut says the added damage and wicked low delay makes it a very solid offhand option ?

So it seems like my options are either Air Knife offhand for tping/extra dmg on thf/dnc/brd to substantially boost them up, or, Diamond Aspis for a kinda neat but doesnt seem ultra impactful bonus on my paladin.

Onion Sword >>> all

you can full time holy circle dawg

MC-only BRD is good but not great. It's missing:
Mythic for Macc, meleeing, debuffs, & Non-MC song duration
Empyrean for 4th/5th slot
Aeonic for Honor March
Relic for slightly better buffs/debuffs
Prime for Aria

It's still decent for low-mid tier content and can clear plenty of stuff. Crucially (for me), MC will always be useful for BRD and never be replaced by another item (currently in the game).


For offhand it's competing with TP Bonus dagger and it's not even REMOTELY close to as good. Base damage of your offhand means *checks notes* basically nothing. If your accuracy is really bad then...I guess, but for soloing nonsense it's unlikely to matter.


Not missing anything, that's the deal. Getting 15+ seconds longer on Sentinel, Rampart, Palisade, Fealty, Majesty is huge and completely unachievable with any other item in the game. The SC cheese can be neat too.


I mentioned this above but no, base damage and 36 delay reduce mean very little compared to 1,000 TP bonus in your offhand. It's an....eh....offhand if you need accuracy, but compared to things like Gleti's Knife, Crep knife, etc. it's like...a side grade at best (IMO), or possibly a down grade.

Sorry for the late reply. Went to Zi'tah. It's piercing.

Huge. On ws too?

Yessir.

Any opinions on Wizard Rod for GEO? Don't have Myrkr for MP so the rod saving mana is nice, and the rod itself seems comparable to Bunzi if maybe a little worse? Has anyone tested the numbers for stuff like Sortie? Ongo?

There is lots of info about the wizard's rod on this thread.

It seems to do very good MB damage.

It could be the best for magic bursting even if not for nuking

Still undecided. So far thinking this order of priority

- Diamond Buckler, for PLD, RDM (Saboteur) and maybe WHM self skillchaining for lolz

- Miracle Cheer, I have bard but it isn't quite BIS, I do have Gjallarhorn/Dardaubla/Marsyas

- Wizard's Rod for GEO or RDM nuking


I excluded Pandit's Staff despite being a career WHM (yes, I am not a mule), as it's very meh. Not sure what else I'm missing.

The more I think about it the more I want to pick a bunch of onion swords and have a plastic sword swinging party.

Someone convince me otherwise.

i was away for awhile so there something i kinda want to know. i see pretty much cor got nothing much other than a meh gun and onion sword III. Does fast blade work if offhanded this sword? i just looking at best possible choice

Anyone got info on diamond aspis block rates and and mitigation?

For my cor mule, that literally is only a cor and nothing else, it looks like my only options are exeter or onion sword

I have a Molybdosis for magic shootin, and I have Naegling+Blurred+1 for savage blade spam

At face value Exeter looks really good? I assume it's the right pick?

How... good(?) is onion sword on cor if I already have naegling, does it even bring anything to the table, or do I 100% for sure get Exeter?

I have no idea how good/bad Fast Blade II is, it *looks* neat, but I assume its still worse than Naegling savage blade spam on cor cuz of its fat TP bonus it has right?

Do you just slap on a stack of Voluspa Bullets and go ham with em on exeter?

The fact you can spam much higher base damage bullets endlessly strikes me as actually positioning it as one of the higher base damage guns, in the scenario when a DREAM gun runs out of ammo and is on cooldown, exeter will start presumably pulling ahead since it can spam Voluspa bullets guilt free? Am I understanding that right? And Im right that Voluspa bullets would be your best bet.

Assuming you normally use, what, Ra'Kaznar Bullets? Eminent Bullets? Then Exeter is effectively getting a ~33 damage boost

That *sounds* pretty nasty to me, I dunno how fast corsairs tear through their special hourly ammo but I have to assume it doesnt last very long at all, at which point exeter actually becomes a higher base damage weapon, though no Weaponskill bonus so its still notably worse but...

it looks to me like its the weapon that is the *closest* to being DREAM tier (its still not nearly as good), that is to say, the gap between Exeter vs a real ultimate weapon seems to be a lot smaller than gap between the other weapons and their ultimate counterparts.

Am I correct in all this or am I totally missing something important?

And the fact that the rest of gearing up a cor doesnt seem to be too horrible, it feels like the free weapon that can instantly turn a "meh" mule cor into a "oh ***this actually *** ***up now" cor.

Though, I suppose Molydbosis is also really dang good too isnt it, for spamming leaden salutes right?

I guess thats the bigger question: does exeter spamming physical weaponskills with better ammo sound neat but still suck way more than just spamming leadens?

Wiki lists it as shield size 2

I think you're missing that a COR should ALWAYS have a supply of DREAM bullets on hand when doing anything of any import. Usually 1 stack is plenty sufficient thanks to reduced ammo consumption effects, but even if not, then just make 1 or 2 extra ahead of time.

I dont have exeter and wont really comment on that, but I would suspect that Prime or Aeonic will be physical king, and of course DP for leaden/magic. Moly will suffice for a character like your pocket cor.

Am I right that onion sword doesnt bring anything of interest to the table if I already have Naegling?

Id still use something like Blurred+1 for offhand?

Is fast blade II even something to think about, or does it vastly pale in comparison to exeter being a phys weapon for "dont do magic dmg and dont melee" scenarios?

You can melee 2 step self SC light, FB2<>SB with Onion Sword III mainhand, while keeping the tp bonus gun equipped.

Yeah Onion Sword III is pretty nice for COR. Self Light SC with TP bonus gun equipped. WS wall work around for meleeing as well that doesn't disturb/cause Reverberation/Distortion.

The Exeter btw, says all stackable ammo will not be consumed. So the best way to use it would be in a shooting heavy fight with Aeonic Gun's bullets. It has no magical damage component at all, so it is the suxxorz. Voluspa Bullets aren't bad, but they're really not that expensive either, and shooting heavy fights are rare depending on how you play.

It's also like this for BLU, thought less effective with TP bonus offhand instead of ranged. Still cool to have a proper strong self light SC on BLU.

Exeter gun totally not worth it when you can make an infinite supply of rema ammo.

Now artemis bow..

So you think FBII x 2 is better than Last Stand to Savage Blade with naegling? Not sure on that.

I think the onion sword thread provides enough insight to gauge fast blade II's efficacy on mobs of various strengths. It does great on lower level targets, but the damage scales poorly into high level nms. I think it's a great pickup for any job that wants to use a slashing weapon that doesn't have one already. But if your job can natively equip naegling, then yeah. Naegling just makes onion sword II look bad.

I've had some time to play with my air knife by the way and my conclusion is that it's also better on lower level things than higher level ones. Centovente offhand is still stronger on Aita, gartell or tribolex, but the difference isn't nearly as noticeable as one might expect. These are high level mobs where centovente offhand often brings me down to an overall 65-70%% hit rate. Having an actual Ilvl offhand means my hit rate is capped on both daggers, and that cuts down on the difference between the two dramatically.

Obviously centovente is the only offhand I can use against Aminon. Air knife has no place in fights where you don't melee for tp. Overall I'm very happy with the knife. It's a lot of fun. The wind damage is still inconsequential despite being significant. Dancer has roughly an 85% weaponskill to 15% white damage spread, so even with 415 agility and getting 415 wind damage on the offhand swing, the real crux of my damage still comes from ruthless spam. The 10% agi mod is nice to that end though. Ruthless has very low secondary mods, so 10% more agi does a fair bit, and dancer tps so fast the time going from 1k to 2k is extremely negligable. Knife is fun. I like it a lot!

Last stand is horrible. I dont think SB II beating it is too hard. You can also keep TP gun for both WS, which adds more synergy.

If I was main cor I'd 100% pick onion.

Think this is a weird take, because there's no level correction on anything relevant. Ratio effects ftp/wsd completely linearly, so unless you're sitting at uncapped acc or attack it should have comparable results on any mob. Am I missing something there?

It is weak when you are below accuracy or attack cap and relying on Naegling for the attack boost or first hit bonus for accuracy. That much is undeniable. I also wouldn't suggest using it over naegling/savage unless you have some specific reason to do so, but how far behind it is depends on your ratio more than anything else.

I'm still in decision paralysis on this. The jobs I play are RDM/WAR/PLD/BLU, and RDM is my preferred job for content. I also play THF, but that's mostly just for farming Omen so I don't really need to take that into much consideration here. It looks like I should take the shield or one of the swords... but it's so hard to decide even with all the discussion.

Seems like shield is an easy pick with those jobs. Any case for onion is primarily for COR and DNC. The other swords don't offer anything besides DPS, so they're one weapon upgrade away from being pointless [never mind that Thibron exists].

Not really, but PDL plays a big part on lower level things. As you mentioned, naegling makes it easy to cap attack with savage blade. Onion sword III doesn't provide that bonus, but it's usually reasonable to expect that with good party support most jobs will still cap attack and be able to utilize their PDL on weaker things. That isn't the case on higher level mobs, where even when you're buffed heavily you can still struggle to cap attack.

You're missing the point, the point is the SB and the resulting light add more damage over 2x FBII.