Which Weapon Should I Get I'm Too Stupid To Pick!

I like that ML50 now joined superbuffs beeing present in 100% of all possible situations on FFXIAH.

Don't forget any extra dex from race changing too.

None have said that. I have said "even" in that sentence.
Now ML 30 is pretty easy to get for main jobs and that's already like 33-34(?) dex and 30 skill, so easily over 50 accuracy.

The TP bonus offhands really rule when fired as close to 1k as possible, other offhands Flametongue/ice brand/zan can overtake it at 2k and above because the tp bonus offhand reaches max quicker. If you are purposely delaying WS to limit your tp feed it makes sense to use a different offhand.

As mentioned before 30 weaker WS is more damage than 20 stronger, but specifically for a fight like mboze that's also 50% more TP fed. Add on top of that near-fulltime warcry from warrior you really don't need much tp bonus gear. Add in the macc for doing tickles and that is a real life condition where flametongue would be significantly better than thibron.


Now is it worth taking a bonanza for one fight? I dunno, depends if you've cleared it I suppose, but imo there's only V25s, aminon, and master trials in our current endgame and this is one fight that would probably gain significantly from it.

Otherwise if you're just blasting mireu with every buff in the world for 45minutes then only your lockstyle matters.

I did pick Ice Brand and decided to so some physical damage testing with Blue Mage with Tizona using Expiacion. Ice Brand is a clear BiS for nuke on BLU and really satisfied with it but since Expiacion have both 30%STR and 30%INT stat modifier I was curious to see how it could improve. Goal was to compare DPS of Thibron, Zantetsuken and Ice Brand offhand with Expiacion spam at 1000TP and 1750TP.

ML40 BLU/DRG R25. Sylvie, Qultada, Koru, Joachim, Monberaux, Grape Daifuku. Keeping AM3, Occultation, Nat Meditation, Erratic and Tenebral Crush all the time. 10 minutes session with Scoreboard again Locus Bats in KRT. Excluding any accidental WS with Qultada. I repeated some session I felt not on top.

Tizona/Thibron @ 1000TP = 6953DPS
Tizona/Ice Brand @ 1750TP = 5825DPS
Tizona/Ice Brand @ 1000TP = 5791DPS
Tizona/Zantetsuken @ 1750TP = 5631DPS
Tizona/Zantetsuken @ 1000TP = 5543DPS

In the end Ice Brand have a bit more DPS than Zantetsuken and provide better peak damage reaching 83K Expiacion at 1750TP+. Quad attack on Zantetsuken on the other side helping doing more a bit less powerful WS. I was surprised to see such small difference between 1000TP and 1750TP. I did redo some session to make sure and result was consistent. So I have the feeling that Flametongue would close the gap with Thibron but more on Savage Blade than Expiacion. Also those result worth what they worth with the trust buff only.

Problem with icebrand vs sakpata is you give up so much utility. When I'm cleaving anything hard the 10 DT / 5 Phalanx / 15 Vit / 100 HP helps a lot for survival. Then Sakpata sword also has 10 fast cast / 3 refresh which helps cap recast and MP... which weapon is really better for cleaving now?

Do you really think this is "no mistake or coincidence"? The lv72 Martial weapons had TP Bonus, added well before the magian TP Bonus weapons were added, and they didnt work offhand. Its a coding issue in the way augments are handled vs weapon stats.

For cleaving I was already using Bunzi / Maxentius. You can reach proper defence with buff mixed with crown control in Blue Mage AOE Spells. I am however using Sakpata for the initial full evasion sleepga and all Magic Accuracy set. I think you are loosing a lot of attack power if not using offhand like Maxentius or now Ice Brand. +30INT +40MAB (-20MAB) and +248MagicDamage (-217) push damage by some good amount !

Except...you're adding a shitload of auto-attacks for your 20 WS so...it's not like 50% more TP fed.

Let's say it takes you 10 hits to get from WS to 1k TP and 20 hits to get from WS to 2k.

If you do 30 WS at 1k TP that's 300 auto-attacks and 30 WS

If you do 20 WS at 2k TP that's 400 auto-attacks and 20 WS.

If you think that's a 50% reduction in TP fed, I think you need to re-evaluate your position.

"holding your WS" until you reach a higher TP value is actually feeding the mob MORE TP, unless you're standing disengaged, waiting for Tactician's roll or regain to give you TP.

edit: I guess you might be referring to Mboze specifically and not TP denial generally, in which case you're still feeding the TP above but you're feeding it to an add and not the boss...so I guess...technically you could be right about the TP feed

That said...the "you'll be at 2k TP plus Warcry" argument has ALWAYS applied for TP bonus weapons. If, for some reason, you're TP bonus'd to hell, then obviously a TP bonus weapon isn't good anymore.

It wouldn't. it might not look like much, but Thribon is almost 20% ahead in your test and Flametongue would be maybe 7% ahead of Ice brand.

What was your accuracy with Thribon?

With food and excluding Joachim I was 1472/1242 accuracy.

With Tizona/IceBrand accuracy on TP set with food is at 1512/1512. Quite a difference there but it can be fixed with songs.

Bgwiki lists 1269 required accuracy to cap on those bats, so you was potentially missing around 13% hit rate on Thribon.

Depends if you are mostly using entomb where vit is the main mod and helps for recast.

Most likely Joachim was covering that with Madrigal + March when he don't try something funny. Real BRD would fix a lot of the possible irregularities in those results.

Still flametongue look better than previous best offhand. With STR boost and PDL i understand people loving it !

I don't think I've ever posted before (in 17 years lol), but I want to thank you all for the testing and back-and-forth. As someone who has left and come back to FFXI many times over the years, I was excited to see the Mog Bonanza kupons given out. But, like others, I'm completely paralyzed by what to pick. So, thanks again for all the testing and discussion. It really is appreciated!

fair point lol. I fairly recently came back from a 10+year break and didn't even realize the Ikenga's Axe augment was a thing and that definitely lends itself more to the augments being ***... but that's also just weird (but i guess not surprising)

I believe its Augments with TP bonus work in any slot I could be wrong.

Love the spin trying to justify flametongue/ice brand lol.

Cool weps for sure, but I even TP bonus mainhand for arebati v25 clear and it was not a problem (pretty sweet set up on rdm using ullr for ws). In almost every fight you can get away with TP bonus offhand for higher DPS. Wish it wasn't true sometimes as it is kind of boring, but it is the reality.

The "I'm different and sophisticated" gang.

Not even the primes changed anything, but Bonanza toys sure will.

Did you see how Rabao is populated with Flamethong now? Naegling days are over...

For those (WARs in particular) who grabbed the shield: How are you handling the gearswaps when popping job abilities? Are you just eating the TP loss, or do you have a logic applied in your luas to optimize against that?

I only use it with Warcry. WS --> Warcry --> jump+high jump + a few swings and you are back in business.

I still haven't picked a weapon yet and not really in a hurry to pick one atm. I narrowed it down to 4 choices with the obvious winner being Onion Sword though. The main 2 jobs I tend to play are SMN and DNC.

Onion Sword III: Pretty much have to grab this for DNC. A good Slashing option is game changing and reason enough to pick it. Can meme around with it on SMN as well if I get bored enough lol

Air Knife: An offhand option for Terpsichore PK spam maybe? Mainly for situations where you want to avoid skillchains. Tp bonus offhand with Twashtar or Aeneas is too good so I rarely even get to use terpderp for anything these days tbh.

Chocobo Knife: eva/meva Tank offhand for DNC/RUN. That's about it.

Pandit's Staff: Reraise 5 is super unique. However, weakness doesn't really do anything to SMN. You can reraise indefinitely and throw avatars at things if you really want to. If you could target another player and give them reraise V I would absolutely choose this option.

duration only being an hour, and only self-target made me go from considering this to not even looking again.

Second this. Even as a long time player, I was struggling to choose! Lol. Happy to share my thoughts on Wizard's Rod, and thank you to everyone else who shared their own experiences so we could decide and move forward.

really leaning towards Flamethong,

Its red, fire is cool, Str to make me strong, Red mage can use it, just my BLM cant use it. Seems onion sword might be good cuz then I can use that on BLM

This sword of mine burns with an awesome power. Its burning grip tells me to defeat you!

Onion Sword is what SAM's use because they can yell Ryūjin Jakka.

Yamamoto is a badass
Tachi: Kagero
SPAM!

What would folks recommend across the following main jobs, in order from my best geared to worst geared:
1. Run, I already have Epeo though but thats it, and its not 100% fully upgraded, I think I still have dynamis step left

2. Pld, I already have Excalibur, Aegis, and Ochain, all pretty much fully upgraded

3. Dancer, I dont have any ultimate weapons on it

4. Summoner, though I dont think any mog bonanza items look worth it?

5. Bard, though my gear isnt particularly amazing and I have zero ultimate items at all for it, so I dunno if taking the instrument is a total waste if you dont even have the others to go with it

6. Thief, mostly just for stacking treasure hunter on stuff where it matters, but its decent geared, pretty much the same as my dancer

Im leaning towards the shield, for macro swapping in for buffs on my Pld and maybe as a different option as a shield

Save the Queen looks pretty neat, the cure potency seems pointless but the cover sentinel recast shenanigens seems like it could be fun to spec deeper into and combo with Caballarius Surcoat +3

Chocobo Knife has absolutely nuts base damage and dps though, and I have concern that potentially Wind Knife will mess with Haste Samba on Dnc, and of course Chocobo Knife's 18% movespeed is kinda nice, though Im pretty sure I have 18% movespeed on dnc brd and thf atm...

But also, is Chocobo Knife's Magic Accuracy+50 is pretty sick for bard too, isnt it? Or would you still want to use a different option nowadays? I havent played in like 4 years.

How does Brave Blade III compare to Epeo though? It looks like it has pretty fat base damage.

My gut says Id wanna go Chocobo Knife as it would very quickly elevate my Dnc and Thf up, whereas my Pld and Run are already kitted out with respectable weapons so they'd get less benefit.

Pld or Run option would have to be I think *substantially* worth it to forgo juicing up my thf/dnc/brd I guess?

Are there any other choices though that are in the "If you get this item and slap together random easy gear you can make its class singlehandedly endgame worth"?

Or are most of them still in the category of "Yeah you can get this but you'll still be trash without also a morbillion gil in other gear to go with it"?

Cover is extremely bad, including with the coat and any other gear that enhances it.


Base damage means nothing, it can't even remotely compete with any REMA weapon. Nothing blocks Haste Samba on first hit. Movespeed is irrelevant because all those jobs already have 18% move speed.


No, there are plenty of other daggers with as much or more macc. Carnwenhan is the standout, which also gives +50% duration.


Base damage means absolutely nothing when compared with mythic AM3. PDL is a gimmick as RUN is basically never attack capped.


The daggers might boost your thf/dnc/brd in the very short-term, but long-term when/if you get some REMA, you will likely never use the bonanza weapons again.


There are threads and threads filled with opinions if you want to read them, both on here, on reddit, and elsewhere. In your case, I'd personally say that Miracle Cheer is the best if you want to start playing BRD, and if not then Diamond Aspis is the clear winner. Runner up would be Onion Sword III.