Thanks a lot for the many infos and suggestions provided!
I wish DRK was "meta" like many of us probably, but i'm glad to hear it can still be viable at least for 9 bosses in the right scenario. However I doubt the group i'm with right now will even reach 8 bosses anytime soon, so for a good while I'll just probably end up practicing ABCDEFG bosses, for the most part!
Thess suggestions will really help a lot, hopefully many other DRKs will benefit from these.
Regarding Impact Occult Acumen set, was indeed thinking about it only to use it during the pulling of the NM, or on a trash mob right before a Boss + sleep/2/break, to help reaching 3k faster for AM in case, but it's a minor thing anyway I'd guess, specially if the actual Impact duratiom ends up being resisted!
Also yeah, I'm obviously doing this content to acquire Foenaria or a Prime Weapon eventually (scythe, dagger or staff are my temptations in prio order), even if DRK isn't "meta" or anything..so in worst case scenario, when the time to farm Aminion will come, I'll either make it work or might just end up farming Sortie on a different job at that stage (SCH, RDM, maybe GEO since next month i should have Idris finally, and since WHM isn't used for Aminion runs afaik? XD)
Got few minor questions left, the perplexity about Warcry early during prepull, and another question regarding RDM Inundation, which on paper seems great but in practice looks like it's hardly worth it, if at all in these kind of runs where ppl mostly spam WS instead of organizing multisteps. I guess Inundation only shines in few specific scenarios and this isn't one of them.
Regarding NMs defense/VIT/stat values, do we know their aproximate def/eva/stat values to use them within tools such as Kastra? Since our BRD will have stage 3 instrument soon enough, i'd like to try input some possible buffs scenarios to make sure we can ride Aria properly.. what was your songs/buff setups switch once you got Aria into the mix?? I'd think something like min V, Honor, Madrigal, Aria for basement with an extra minuet when possible, on top of crooked chaos / sam rolls, dia iii and possibly few box steps from /dnc it might be enough.. but in worst case maybe 1 less madrigal for another minuet during SV?
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What job is your second DD? Is the rdm well geared for DD?
Quote: eliroo" We kill Aita (Kite Method) in a little over 2 minutes with a single heavy DD and no WAR. So, Idk what you are on about. We use SAM but with DRK it was a little over 2:30 H should die in 20 to 40 secs,with any combos of Heavy DDs or in magic strat. if H doesnt do earth gyve first i just pop soul enslavement to shut down its TP moves and spam WS every 2 sec at 2k +, demolishing it.' F boss i super drain 3 a light elemental before going to boss ( only wastes 10 secs) for 6k to 7k HP, pop souleater and bloodweapon and get 99k weaponskills easily, sometimes dead as little as 25 seconds. Take note any combo of DDs can do 8 bosses if youre endgame geared, killing a boss a little faster with a different DD doesnt even really matter if you have more than enough time to do the planned 8 bosses. You should be able to plan for 5 songs unless you have unexpected deaths. This will allow you to ride HM + Minx3 + Aria (replace Min with Mad for basement bosses). With RDM Distract, you're fine. Aria definitely shines when leveraging 5 songs instead of 4, and with a source of Haste II requiring only HM to cap magic haste (or SV songs with Haste I).
Aria is an amazing buff. It's definitely going to be dependent on the target's defense, but GENERALLY, you can get mileage out of using it in place of an extra Minuet when you have Dia III, Minuets, Crooked Chaos, and Indi-Fury or Geo-Frailty (bonus if BoG / EA). I'm not saying ALL of these are required for every target, but that should firmly put you in the territory needed to benefit from Aria. Box Step / Agon are great as well. Of course, Defense Down effects from relevant WS are included, but I don't recall which bosses are even susceptible to it off the top of my head (aside from A/E, maybe B/F in Wind hands?).
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Asura.Ayahuasca said: » Got few minor questions left, the perplexity about Warcry early during prepull, and another question regarding RDM Inundation, which on paper seems great but in practice looks like it's hardly worth it, if at all in these kind of runs where ppl mostly spam WS instead of organizing multisteps. I guess Inundation only shines in few specific scenarios and this isn't one of them. Inundation is basically never worth wasting your time casting. Certainly not in melee Sortie where SC are generally avoided. If your fights are under 1 minute, you should use as many JA as possible before the pull because of the animation delay when using a JA while meleeing. If the buff will last for the whole fight either way, it's best to use it BEFORE the fight so you aren't staring at your character waiting for him to start swinging again. All these, including whether or not to cast dread spikes, drain 3, etc. Are micro-adjustments that most of the time won't make or break your run. But sometimes...they absolutely will. And if you add enough of these together it will absolutely waste a ton of time over the course of an hour. Things like everyone handling their own sneak and invisible, brd casting songs during a boss rather than stopping to do it separately, and lots of other things will absolutely help you to have extra time to add in more bosses, chests, etc. This is also exactly the kind of advice that OP asked for, so I don't think it's out of order to point out these kinds of things. Sure, it "only" takes 10 seconds to sc and drain an elemental. If you don't count the fact that you lost bolter's roll and have to RP walk your happy *** to the boss. IDK, maybe your COR joins you on this adventure and bolts you after. It also assumes the COR happens to arrive at the same time as you though. Sure, it "only" takes 3 seconds to cast Impact. But then you're animation locked so add a few more seconds. Do that 8 times. This stuff really adds up, especially if you do it all. Getting really good Sortie runs is all about nitpicking every spell or JA usage, every time you stop, every path you take, every time you lose bolter, etc. Wasting 10 seconds to get a 100 muffin chest or 3 minutes fighting bhoot then timing out on the last 10,000 muffin boss sucks. Or deciding to do obdella instead of another 10,000 muffin boss.
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Add24USA said: » Quote: eliroo" We kill Aita (Kite Method) in a little over 2 minutes with a single heavy DD and no WAR. So, Idk what you are on about. We use SAM but with DRK it was a little over 2:30 H should die in 20 to 40 secs,with any combos of Heavy DDs or in magic strat. K123 said: » Add24USA said: » Quote: eliroo" We kill Aita (Kite Method) in a little over 2 minutes with a single heavy DD and no WAR. So, Idk what you are on about. We use SAM but with DRK it was a little over 2:30 H should die in 20 to 40 secs,with any combos of Heavy DDs or in magic strat. Timed it last night, H kite method took us 1:30 with a single DD. Regardless we still 8/8 boss with a single DD so I doubt that your choice in second DD will make a huge difference, at least not enough to argue about it. 20s sounds crazy though. Git gud and start 9 bossing then you won’t have to debate sam vs war vs drk because you’ll be using the master race sortie DD - dancer.
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eliroo said: » K123 said: » Add24USA said: » Quote: eliroo" We kill Aita (Kite Method) in a little over 2 minutes with a single heavy DD and no WAR. So, Idk what you are on about. We use SAM but with DRK it was a little over 2:30 H should die in 20 to 40 secs,with any combos of Heavy DDs or in magic strat. Timed it last night, H kite method took us 1:30 with a single DD. Regardless we still 8/8 boss with a single DD so I doubt that your choice in second DD will make a huge difference, at least not enough to argue about it. 20s sounds crazy though. Quote: When you say 1 DD you mean 1 DD plus rdm brd cor meeleeing right? What? No? They are there to support, one of the requirements was that they all unlock dnc so they can job emote and spam cheer on me while I fight. Yes they all melee, even the GEO. We are also like R0 Nyame so I am sure we could get that fight close to a minute with only one heavy DD once we get enough segments. I was really excited for this thread, but then it was all like "DRK is really great in Sortie! ...if you already have 2 Primes."
In the words of my elderly, immigrant father: "What the hell kind of ***is this?!" 
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Gear up Drk, they said, it's great in Sortie, they said..
..if you have already done enough Sortie to get 7M muffins to spend gearing up Drk. eliroo said: » Quote: When you say 1 DD you mean 1 DD plus rdm brd cor meeleeing right? What? No? They are there to support, one of the requirements was that they all unlock dnc so they can job emote and spam cheer on me while I fight. Yes they all melee, even the GEO. We are also like R0 Nyame so I am sure we could get that fight close to a minute with only one heavy DD once we get enough segments. Uhh... WTF is a single DD setup then? If you have 5 people DDing but only one of them is a "DD" job then you have...the standard 9 boss setup (DD, PLD, RDM, BRD, COR, GEO). People only bring 2 DDs to the "melee" strat (DD, DD, RDM, BRD, COR, WHM) This back-and-forth debate about what's possible and what's efficient is a bit silly though, the "sides" are just talking past each other. Yes, eliroo, it's possible for a group with a DRK in it to complete 8 and 9 bosses in a single run. Yes, everyone else, it's more efficient to use about 3-5 other jobs instead of DRK. Depending what your goals/expectations are, what your gear looks like, how much experience you have, and honestly how many people in your group cheat, you can absolutely make all kinds of poor decisions and still do fine. It doesn't change the comparison between jobs at all, IMO. With 60 minutes to complete a run there is ALWAYS something else you could add to the end of your run to make it more valuable. Even if you couldn't, saving time gives more leeway for when things go wrong (because they always will) or luck doesn't go your way. Play however you want, if you're satisfied with where you're at and what you're able to accomplish more power to you, but there is always room to perform better, especially if you don't stop at "eh, we're doing well enough already."
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OP looks like youre strongest weapons are empy and aeonic. i did plenty runs like that, some runs with 11 mins left after 8 bosses.
A/E: resolution or Insurgency B/F: entropy,cross reaper, torc for AM3, resolution C/G: torc, can loop in reso sometimes in G for ws wall D/H: any combo of torc, reso, insurgency, cross reaper. for H want to use icarus wing before pull and soul enslavement a few secs after engaged, delay its TP moves for 30 secs is very helpful to party and adds insane damage to your overall dps. HM Aminon: once you get prime scythe: have jump sets with max store TP, spam impact in max pre 80 fast cast set, midcast impact set use max subtle blow with, max store tp. good tip is to use impact right after a WS since using it going to give you over 2k tp a hit. Absorb TP on cooldown, cross reaper or quietus if it looks like youre getting WS walled. Also the last 5 to 10 percent of HM Aminon health you can engaged and pop soul enslavement if you want, optional though.
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I really don't understand why you are so abrasive. You come across argumentative and then say the same point I've been trying to say. I'm not even arguing with you I was talking to the guy who made it seem like it was the end of the run if there was no WAR.
The only other thing you left out is that this person very specifically listed the job they wanted to play and the weapons they had. Answering with "lol use prime" or "lol drk bad" isn't helpful in the context. Telling them to try another DD isn't a bad suggestion but it devolved into a ***flinging fest.
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eliroo said: » it devolved into a ***flinging fest. Saying there's literally no reason not to take a WAR is nothing like saying you can't win without one. It's like me saying "there's no point in not taking a spirit measure to build a house" and you replying "omg you just said you can't build a house without one". You know those other DD? Cor brd rdm? Yeah they massively benefit from warcry. Also really, didn't we determine that noone benefits from aria on basement bosses when you account for other pdl etc? If you're running a 1 DD run then the brd cor rdm all getting another minuet or madrigal is more impactful.
You post like one of those dark knights that think everyone exists to bump up your damage and ego and dies every 5 minutes trying hard tbh Depends on setup, dia 4(-23%), box step(-23% if on dnc), geo frail(-14~20% before any JAs depending on +geomancy) do a lot of work to drop basements def when coupled with the usual atk boosts
K123 said: » I think you first post changed the tone Saying there's literally no reason not to take a WAR is nothing like saying you can't win without one. Quote: You post like one of those dark knights that think everyone exists to bump up your damage and ego and dies every 5 minutes trying hard tbh Not sure if both of these were directed at me. If we really want to keep talking about the WAR thing, my only point was the latter. I thought it was an exaggeration to say "not having a war is dumb" when my sub-optimal group can 8/8. Also people can just not have a geared WAR, which is a reason as to not take one -- in this case the OP wanted to take DRK. I completely understand and agree that having a WAR as one of the DPS is better, but the point seemed exaggerated. The second statement, idk why you get that impression unless you mean my sarcastic comment... I am just not sure how everyone refers to specific party comps and thought calling our comp "single dd" implied the PLD / GEO / COR / RDM / BRD / DD comp. I personally don't even run DRK anymore because I have other melee options that are better. I'm also not sure if I even mentioned running aria considering that our BRD just unlocked it last night. I would definitely drop aria if it pushed our kill time faster. So if that statement wasn't about me then you can just ignore this -- the ordering and no quoting just confused me. Nariont said: » Depends on setup, dia 4(-23%), box step(-23% if on dnc), geo frail(-14~20% before any JAs depending on +geomancy) do a lot of work to drop basements def when coupled with the usual atk boosts lower levels of PDL, lower dmg weapons meaning a lower pdif cap, and they're still getting all the atk bonus benefits(fury, chaos roll, minuets/HM). I'm not sure if we have solid def numbers on the basement bosses but they should be lower than say gaol v25 and even some of those you can make full use of pdl, and you're locked out of subs/some job combos.
It's more feasible than V25 no doubt about that. Still not convinced until I see numbers though. We can probably assume E has less def than say F too. Maybe G is less than F+H from feelings.
Aria is a huge boost to RDM BRD GEO COR in Sortie especially paired with a DNC for lvl10 box step.
Taint said: » Aria is a huge boost to RDM BRD GEO COR in Sortie especially paired with a DNC for lvl10 box step. K123 said: » Taint said: » Aria is a huge boost to RDM BRD GEO COR in Sortie especially paired with a DNC for lvl10 box step. Feel free to math it but watching our “support” jobs occasionally hit 99k on basement bosses is good enough for me. They can’t reach that value without the additional PDL of Aria.
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Taint said: » K123 said: » Taint said: » Aria is a huge boost to RDM BRD GEO COR in Sortie especially paired with a DNC for lvl10 box step. Feel free to math it but watching our “support” jobs occasionally hit 99k on basement bosses is good enough for me. They can’t reach that value without the additional PDL of Aria. Saying Aria does nothing in Sortie basement just says you've never tried Aria in Sortie basement.
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K123 said: » Taint said: » K123 said: » Taint said: » Aria is a huge boost to RDM BRD GEO COR in Sortie especially paired with a DNC for lvl10 box step. Feel free to math it but watching our “support” jobs occasionally hit 99k on basement bosses is good enough for me. They can’t reach that value without the additional PDL of Aria. I have an Aminon parse handy.  Luna DNC, Resh RDM, Far COR, Fugi BRD, Taint PLD
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Not asking about Animon though. You can stack box step on it and have GEO.
We were talking about 8/9 boss melee set up with 1 or 2 DD and maybe not even a GEO! DNC can have lvl10 box step on any mob in 6 seconds. DNC is the best Sortie DD by far, nobody can honestly question that.
Then its just what jobs work best with DNC. DRK does not pair well with DNC. WAR,SAM and DRG do. |
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