DNC New Bis's?

all the gear sets in most of these guides on bg and here are old and semi outdated.
what are the new best tp sets and ws sets i have tried using that program to math it out myself but im stupid and can't understand what im doing with it

This one's updated for WS

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Dancer

I saw that one was not sure how updated for it it was considering the new htbf but good to know

Who decided that Crepuscular Knife is better than Centovente (TP Bonus+1000) for Mpu Gandring/Ruthless Stroke? I'm extremely skeptical...

I mean its right there at the top of the page

Centovente (TP Bonus +1000) was excluded from these sets. It will likely be the strongest off-hand option for all "Damage Varies with TP" weapon skills when you have the accuracy for it, though.

As for those sets in particular, it is as up to date as far as sets go afaik, the new gear wont change anything as it doesnt list TP sets, which is what all of those drops largely benefit, that and macc swaps such as stun flourish and the like

tp dagger was always going to be best that is 100% something i was doing

Assuming you have all the other gear in those gear sets, you have the gear to wear cento. Just assume you’re gonna be in mpu/cento all the time. I don’t think I’ve unequipped it in months.

There are some engaged hybrid sets you can look into that aren’t in that bg guide. It basically revolves around R25+ gleti’s, empy +3, and a piece or two of malignance. Rest of the accessories are what you would imagine.

Some pages have added TP sets like MNK and THF. I'm hoping DNC gets a TP set added as well

yeah the main think i want to know about is tp sets maybe with and without haste samba but really who doesn't use haste samba almost always lol

likely best to just tp in only dt sets now a days anyway

Glass cannon TP sets are indeed a thing of the past.

I stopped adding TP sets last week since I was waiting to see what kind of gear the new Cloud of Darkness battlefield would give. I'll start adding more TP sets tomorrow, but I'll still be slow with this as I try to decide which sets/buffs to add.

For now I've just added DNC/WAR TP with Mpu stage4 and Centovente since apparently that's the go-to these days? I included Haste Samba for +10% JA haste. Do people /WAR on DNC over /DRG?

The TP sets used the mid-buff scenario against an enemy with 1350 Evasion. Reaching the off-hand hit rate cap of 95% with Centovente is "difficult" since it requires 1390 off-hand Accuracy. The code is built to handle this well as it properly made use of high accuracy pieces (such as Null Loop and Cath Palug Stone) to free up some DT in other slots to hit the required 50% or 25% DT I input. The 50% DT set resulted in 1390 off-hand accuracy while the 25% DT set resulted in 1392 accuracy, both are essentially perfectly at hit rate cap without any wasted accuracy.

Let me know if I should redo these sets with DNC/DRG, or if there is another TP set I should include later.

We do have sets shared in the dancer sticky for this. There hasn't been a lot of gear released in the past few years so everything is pretty current still. This is what I use for my dnc and I would consider it BiS. I actually do have the +2 earring too, but you can make substitutions for it and the VR ring. If you don't have a +2 JSE earring use telos. If you chose something other than Lehko's ring use either epona's or Ilabrat ring. Done.

Gleti's is R30-- this does matter for some of the pieces since the augs are great for tp. Legs gets 5% Triple attack, hands gets sTP and body gets DA rate.

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Dancer question for the bis DNC's out there. Is it normal for dancer to loose to a cor on aminon 5 min kills? Asking for a friend

i don't understand how to use your code is the problem also I use a haste calculator in game so I need to know what sets to prepare for it to auto swap to for all haste requirements that's my main issue (not including the 100 vd Lilith done for only 2/5 for cosmetic lock ?)

I assume this is some troll ***but no, DNC should be doing between 2-2.5x the damage of your COR.

i aim to be there again soon been slacking hard on dnc like crazy cause sch main got so much to do...

/DRG is the most common sub but /war is still used often.

I would remove Adhemar Wrist. +1 from your sets and focus on higher meva options for the guide.

That or just have a higher meva set added, how much glass is in ones set seems to be a point of contention for some jobs/players, which i think was an issue you had previously stated when making TP sets.

EDIT: Honestly Meva wise, you've gained the meva you lost from using wrist over say gleti's back with the new capes meva+50. Though the ambu cape, depending on augments was looking at the 25% DT set, woops

i have always used /war never tried /drg

/drg with high/super jumps is the way to go if you are fighting something where someone else is supposed to tank. Throw in COR resets and you can do a ton of damage without pulling hate.

i don't normally party on dnc atm just solo

So I do have a question about the sets posted there, for the 2nd ring slot in aeolian edge, wouldn't any second WS damage ring be a better option than 3 mab and 9 int? like cornelia's ring for example. Or is this guide still not including those rings?

Not to be mean about it, but it sounds like you're asking for BiS sets for non-BiS situations.

The easy/short answer is to start from the max haste set and add more DW until you cap delay for whatever haste sets you have, but if you really want to min-max your sets for high end solo content or something like that, you're gonna have to invest the time in learning how the sim tools work; Because what's "best" is going to depend on what buffs you have and what you're fighting.

I think he just wants something to call BIS that he can plug in without thinking, which is probably what a lot of people want. Some people just aren't as interested in the details behind these sets, and that's ok.

I'd simply put a big caveat on each job's page saying "***is still situational" to save Izanami the headache of entertaining everyone's notion that the suggested set doesn't work quite right for them. Seriously though, if Izanami is interested in doing this work for each job, provide a bit more detail in the footnote on BG like you did here. People who want to know the why behind the sets can learn more and make informed decisions for replacements, and those who don't probably won't expand the notes at all in the first place.

This is not bis. At least not while assuming Saber, Songs (including Aria) and Chaos/Sam. You should use Malignance Gloves (Im not taking Adhemar into consideration despite dps advantage), Kentarch belt +1 and Null Shawl.

That being said this set:
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is barely 2.5% behind yours with changes I listed above, but you get much higher DT, overall 5% higher PDT, 37 MEVA, 7accuracy, 110HP in tp set (cover the gap between WS and TP set much better) and 7 less mdef, so I think it's overall more than worth it. You could go even further and equip Null Belt for additional 30 meva/eva, 9 accuracy and 3 mdef and lose another 2.5% dps and it's also probably worth it overall.

This looks more right gletis more of a drg thing as far as tp outside the legs since DNC gets malig. The ring is also destroying a huge amount of dps for any job that does a ws not sure why tp ring would seem like the right choice. To each his own but again that ring feels more drg then anything else. And again only if u hate bigger ws DMG.

See, looks and feels like don't really belong here. The whole point of sims and spreadsheets is to avoid guesswork. Neither is infallible but if you're going argue for or against a piece of gear you should be able to back it up with data, right? Look at the time to WS on the two sets that are currently on BG. It won't matter in some scenarios, but the WS frequency will change which set comes out on top given enough samples.

This is why calling any TP set BIS is asking for trouble. Too many variables to control. WS sets are easier to manage.

That is a nice way of saying that ring belongs to a drg that hates big ws DMG if anything since that is the job that comes to mind that has great gear that lacks massive haste possible some mage jobs come to kind but they are not lacking in the haste department and I highly doubt the extra 4 step is changing any xhit builds. And anyone who dds and does not get the regal ring on steroids is a fool. But it's 2025 now and the world carries purses so u can't be blunt people cry. I'll never give u numbers and spread sheets I still play the game. Upmost respect for kastra I've never used his program. I still do crazy stuff like test my gear out on my own.....