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By GooseFactor 2024-10-13 10:41:19
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Unlocking Seals II- PUP Strategy:

Creeping Doom > Overdrive > Engage > Win!

Might not even need Overdrive depending on your attachments.
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By Tarage 2024-10-13 19:27:10
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GooseFactor said: »
Unlocking Seals II- PUP Strategy:

Creeping Doom > Overdrive > Engage > Win!

Might not even need Overdrive depending on your attachments.

What attachments do you recommend?
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-10-13 22:30:57
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went in with 3 pups, valoredge/rngbody
mishmash of attachments and whatever gear I had around, it was a joke without 2hr

Obviously not much help if you're trying to go solo, but if you can find a duo or even trio partner for this, you shouldnt need much fine tuning to clear it.
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By Tokimemofan 2024-10-13 23:58:25
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I have to say this time feels like a distinct downgrade from round 3. This time it seems like the objectives that change daily are designed to make it as difficult as possible to keep people on the same page. Hope for round 4 they get rid of this crap where an uncleared objective get held for an extra day. It pretty much means that if you get a lemon you can’t clear you lose 2 days worth of 20-30 points rather than just one
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-10-14 00:10:29
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Its designed that way on purpose.

They framed it as giving you 2 days to get it done, but did it so that you get punished for it. If you skip one, you get double punished.

It would've been simple enough to make it function properly. It could check/roll every 6 hours instead of 24, or there could be an "i dont want to do this, skip it" option, but then there would be no psychological detriment.
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By Tokimemofan 2024-10-14 00:22:42
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Its designed that way on purpose.

They framed it as giving you 2 days to get it done, but did it so that you get punished for it. If you skip one, you get double punished.

It would've been simple enough to make it function properly, but then there would be no psychological detriment.
Despite your tendency to put your 2 gil where it doesn’t belong I think you are right. Last time it was on a 4 day rotation so with careful planning you could avoid the double penalty by not clearing the objective right before the lemon one. So far the only repeat has been fishing rusty junk. These old level capped fight often are so mechanically tuned that only a handful of jobs really can handle it. Cloudy orb for example is very easy to SMN burn with careful kiting and zero gear. Useless if you don’t have SMN the day it comes up.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-10-14 00:25:18
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It's the most basic tenet of modern gaming. Yet so many people cant figure it out. Blind and oblivious... exactly the target audience.
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By Fenrir.Zenion 2024-10-14 00:42:37
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Tokimemofan said: »
I have to say this time feels like a distinct downgrade from round 3. This time it seems like the objectives that change daily are designed to make it as difficult as possible to keep people on the same page. Hope for round 4 they get rid of this crap where an uncleared objective get held for an extra day. It pretty much means that if you get a lemon you can’t clear you lose 2 days worth of 20-30 points rather than just one

If you don't like it, get on the official forums and make noise about it. One voice doesn't mean a bloody thing, it's going to take many players telling them this isn't cool before the forum intern will even consider taking the time to translate it to pass on to the dev team.
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By Dodik 2024-10-14 04:11:03
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Never assign to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Doubt they ever thought much about people being on the same ROE. They rotate if you do them and don't if you don't.

Rest is the randomness of the spaghetti code throwing up straight 9s, as it does.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-10-14 04:32:21
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Dodik said: »
Never assign to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

This idea is far too often repeated, the same as "the customer is always right"

When it's too obvious and too often it's clear malice. Not that there isn't also incompetence. The intent is crystal clear.
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By Seun 2024-10-14 06:24:39
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Fenrir.Zenion said: »
If you don't like it, get on the official forums and make noise about it.

Except they can see us. They know how many people are participating. It's difficult to make the case that we don't enjoy content, when so many people are doing it daily. Too many people with nothing else better to do?
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By Asura.Hya 2024-10-14 07:26:04
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Tokimemofan said: »
I have to say this time feels like a distinct downgrade from round 3. This time it seems like the objectives that change daily are designed to make it as difficult as possible to keep people on the same page. Hope for round 4 they get rid of this crap where an uncleared objective get held for an extra day. It pretty much means that if you get a lemon you can’t clear you lose 2 days worth of 20-30 points rather than just one

Uncleared objectives also lingered for a day during Round 2. The vast majority of the objectives are exactly the same. None of them are particularly difficult, unless you happen to have trouble wrangling up two other players for some of the instance fights. Everything is soloable combat-wise. Unless your goal is that silly title, missing out on 20-30 plaudits per day is not a big deal nor will it prevent gaining access to the Gold 1300+ tier.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-10-15 14:44:43
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Chocobo Digging is definitely getting moved to the skip pile.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2024-10-15 19:22:44
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Not sure how, but I lost my lv 60 pup solo attachment set. Anyone know what I should be wearing for the bcnms?
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-10-15 19:54:37
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probably similar to here:
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54987/up-in-arms-bcnm/

Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
* Valoredge Head
* Valoredge Frame
* Steam Jacket
* Magniplug
* Magniplug II
* Tension Spring IV
* Optic Fiber
* Heatsink
* Turbo Charger II
* Turbo Charger
* Auto-repair kit III
* Armor Plate III
* Armor Plate II
* Stabilizer V

something like this
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By Kaffy 2024-10-15 20:59:03
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Gonna meet the goal in the first week, give us a real challenge Fujito!
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-10-15 21:55:20
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But how?? I was told VanaBout 2 was a success only because everyone was simping for CornyFace and because SE handed out 500 pts to everyones mule, VanaBout 3 would be an epic fail without either of these.

It might start slowing down though, people should be reaching their 1300's by tomorrow.
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By Asura.Certainly 2024-10-16 00:44:43
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
But how?? I was told VanaBout 2 was a success only because everyone was simping for CornyFace and because SE handed out 500 pts to everyones mule, VanaBout 3 would be an epic fail without either of these.

Just because there's plenty of miserable people like me, doesnt mean that enough people hate it. I wouldn't be surprised if japanese players celeberate everything about this. There are plenty of people in my linkshell who also seem to enjoy this *cough* garbage. There, i said it again :)
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By Drayco 2024-10-16 05:28:15
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I tried doing the I'm on a Boat goal last night. Took my 3 chars on the boat and started fishing. 2 Chars are 110 with Ebisu and the 3rd has never equiped a fishing rod.

The 2 with Ebisu are around 15/30 Bastore Sardines after 3 boat rides. The one with 0 skill is 30/30 in less than 1 boat ride.

This game is so awesome.
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By Valefor.Philemon 2024-10-16 07:01:59
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Have you tried using a crappier rod? Being higher level skews you towards higher level fish like cone calamary and even quus.
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-10-16 07:14:32
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Already at 90%. It's clear that rewards have no bearing on whether this stuff gets done and boycott just makes you miss out on personal rewards. Looks like they figured out where to tune the numbers after the first 2.
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By Drayco 2024-10-16 09:22:36
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Valefor.Philemon said: »
Have you tried using a crappier rod? Being higher level skews you towards higher level fish like cone calamary and even quus.
Yeah, after 5mins of no Bastore Sardines I switched to a tarutaru rod. Didn't help much.
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By Asura.Seraphical 2024-10-16 09:39:10
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Drayco said: »
Valefor.Philemon said: »
Have you tried using a crappier rod? Being higher level skews you towards higher level fish like cone calamary and even quus.
Yeah, after 5mins of no Bastore Sardines I switched to a tarutaru rod. Didn't help much.

I was using Lu Shang's Rod +1 with absolutely woeful catch rates, I switched over to a Mithran Fishing Rod and they started biting a bit more frequently. This was also with using a Sabiki Rig as bait.

Managed to get 3 of my other characters done in 1 boat ride across they also had 0 skill in fishing.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-10-16 09:42:14
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Phoenix.Iocus said: »
Already at 90%. It's clear that rewards have no bearing on whether this stuff gets done and boycott just makes you miss out on personal rewards. Looks like they figured out where to tune the numbers after the first 2.

I had a blast playing BST for some of those instanced fights capped at level 60 w/ Cold Blooded Como Lizard. Fireball/Tail Blow/Brain Crush is absolutely busted at that level. I swear if BST could have been trapped in any era of FFXI and been the golden boy of the game, 60 cap would have been it
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By Tokimemofan 2024-10-16 11:25:04
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Asura.Hya said: »
Tokimemofan said: »
I have to say this time feels like a distinct downgrade from round 3. This time it seems like the objectives that change daily are designed to make it as difficult as possible to keep people on the same page. Hope for round 4 they get rid of this crap where an uncleared objective get held for an extra day. It pretty much means that if you get a lemon you can’t clear you lose 2 days worth of 20-30 points rather than just one

Uncleared objectives also lingered for a day during Round 2. The vast majority of the objectives are exactly the same. None of them are particularly difficult, unless you happen to have trouble wrangling up two other players for some of the instance fights. Everything is soloable combat-wise. Unless your goal is that silly title, missing out on 20-30 plaudits per day is not a big deal nor will it prevent gaining access to the Gold 1300+ tier.

Yeah actually i wouldn’t mind having that title assuming they give it out this round and I was around for both round 1 and 2 to know the quirks of how the objectives roll over. I don’t know where you get this idea “Everything is Soloable Combat-wise”. It is irrelevant if it’s technically soloable on some obscure job setup if you need 3 people to enter and nobody is interested in joining because they have a different objective. Also having an objective objective tied to time gated content is idiotic as it is literally impossible for a new player to enter odyssey to complete the objective tied to it.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-10-16 11:29:44
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You can just sneak/invis to the end of A

It should count it regardless of your ability to actually clear it. Not certain, cause I'm not going to do it, but it should.

Every level capped content is cleared solo by naked pet jobs more or less. Everyone should already have a viable bst or pup for those glorious kraken clubs!

The ones that need 3 bodies, no way around teaming up.
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By Nariont 2024-10-16 11:38:13
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I had a blast playing BST for some of those instanced fights capped at level 60 w/ Cold Blooded Como Lizard. Fireball/Tail Blow/Brain Crush is absolutely busted at that level. I swear if BST could have been trapped in any era of FFXI and been the golden boy of the game, 60 cap would have been it

being put into level capped situations with current QoL made me realize pets would basically run 75 era outside of zergs, pups a busted tank, while bst/smn/additional pups would be pretty heavy hitter DDs
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By Valefor.Philemon 2024-10-16 11:38:50
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I believe only Heroine's Holdfast and Swarm require 3 players (correct me if I'm wrong) and are so braindead easy that two players need only zone into Rolanberry (S)/Alzadaal and afk.
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By Asura.Shiroikiri 2024-10-16 11:42:00
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
You can just sneak/invis to the end of A

It should count it regardless of your ability to actually clear it. Not certain, cause I'm not going to do it, but it should.

Can confirm you can just run to the end of A without killing a single mob, touch the exit, and you get the objective clear.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-10-16 11:57:02
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Valefor.Philemon said: »
I believe only Heroine's Holdfast and Swarm require 3 players (correct me if I'm wrong) and are so braindead easy that two players need only zone into Rolanberry (S)/Alzadaal and afk.

Incursion also