Horizon Strikes Again

You're saying stuff, but not that what I just posted is wrong.

Like I said, I just don't f*** around and find out. That person probably already did and now that reputation is ruined. Now they can enjoy their own safe space on retail.

Yo is this Spicy?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/62325-need-better-rules?p=663910&viewfull=1#post663910

Look at RadialArcana's perspective of why bullying others is acceptable and fantasy.

You can't tell the difference between people being mean in a video game, and a person helping to run a server taking advantage of women and then banning them from the server and discord when they start talking about it and then threatening them with legal action to scare them into silence?

You can't see the difference between these two things?

It's ok Zehira, I know you don't care about anyone but yourself.

One pattern I observe with private server threads is the psychological inflammatory responses. I don't know if it's to prevent people from connecting and discussions on important topics.
I have only witnessed this with these type of threads. But I was also informed that there are campaigns to downplay peoples' inputs.

"Oh he is just bitter he didn't get treasures"

No.

It's so much more.

This is about legality. Lack of oversight. And people getting sexually harassed or defamation.

There's ingame toxicity where players are told they are bad at their jobs.

Then there's full-blown abuse and cybercrimes.

It's important know and discern the differences of that.

No FFXI is perfect.

If I were to come back to retail, I'd have all my farming bot and other tools prepared because there is nothing much for me to do other than the storylines I have already completed. I'd like to play legitimately again.

But you care enough to see this thread exists at all. Can't help but want to ***on this thread.

These type of responses only grows in further suspicion and distrust of private server threads. It went from discussion to personal attack right away. That is not a healthy forum environment. If you want to promote and represent private server culture better it's best to do so without psychological inflammatory responses, bullying, and discouraging people from discussing the importances.

Be respectful of one another and allow people to discuss freely.

Respectfully, there is no such discuss freely. Those folks around here wouldn't allow it. You can tell why no one from HorizonXI has started a thread here. Just some random person brought it up, we expect the same thing.

I was informed of the private server threads being super inappropriate in general.

I do suggest representatives take another approach than trying to inflame one another, customers, players etc.

For example, instead of bullying one another into silence.

It's best to come from a customer support system like companies do. Like Amazon, Yelp, etc.

"We hear the overwhelming responses and will look at this more closely and take care of your request."

"We recognize our shortcomings, we are a small group operating, and do not fully reflect Square Enix."

"We are sorry you were dissatisfied with the product and will refund you." Etc. Etc.

Even if it's not entirely sincere at times. It's still a much better and respectable response. And most if not all professionals that are lawfully employed are trained to handle outside situations in that manner.

Most people want people to improve and grow at heart. But in order to do that there has to be room to discuss all the problems. Being realistic.

If we're talking about retail, I really think you should take this chat to the official forum where SE can actually see it. They might check out those FFXIAH posts, but they don’t really treat them as serious feedback. A while back, I was one of the friendly folks on the official forum, and SE liked my posts so much that they ended up cloning my two characters. They made a Mithra and an Elvaan to play their own style of the game. Some people have said that SE's community team doesn’t really get the current state of the game and only knows about the 75 era. Not much has changed since then; the same issues keep popping up. So, I’d suggest you give the official forum a shot and keep at it for as long as you can until you feel like taking a break.

Private server etiquette.

They work for free. So what is there to complain about? :)

They could be quietly profiting from selling gil, so I won't knock them for that. It's just a conspiracy theory, after all.

I kinda miss soloing as RDM/NIN even though it's nothing like before.

There are still repercussions that come out of that when managing a huge player base unfortunately. If a server is unregulated there is even higher focus and expectations to protect its' users. Being more transparent and having better oversight of "staff", which is completely valid IMO. It's a very normal and healthy concern to have with any operating company, organization, and community oriented project.

Square Enix does not officially authorize these servers for a reason. From the exchanges with my lawyer and and a representative of SE. There are people who have followed private servers for much longer, even a decade, with similar thoughts.

I mistakenly prioritized the idea because it was free, it'd be good. I was a new player first introduced. But there is a price that comes with that too in other forms that are not worth it.

Everyone can decide for themselves and weigh the pros and cons.

I mean to be fair, this thread is probably discussing women's rights in retail versus private servers. If you're really concerned, just use a VPN and throw some insults my way without stressing about any language police coming for you. There's no specific law against audism in the country.

I am especially deeply concerned about the "horizon leaks GM apps and identities" document. Who would post that from the inside? That's around 168 people that I counted that have their private information, location, country, & usernames out in public. 168 people. I hope that person is found.

I feel bad for the people who are good and working hard and it takes a few individuals to compromise the safety of everyone else. Men and women.

That should have never happened. I can't believe that was never addressed. That's a lot of people.

Only if SE had given us a classic server or a remake. I really don’t get why some players in the current retail scene are against it. Maybe FFXIV left a sour taste for them. If cash is the main concern, then why not go for a classic server? There are tons of folks who’ve been wanting it for ages and some just don’t want to play on PC.

But at what cost do people want the classic server? Their sense of safety and peace?

I for one AM hoping, that even if SE were to never make one, Private servers learn from their mistakes and improve, not just the emulator and custom content. But overall professionalism and knowing how to deal with wider issues outside gameplay. Better customer support, transparency, encryption technology, user protection. Better relationship with their users, critics, and competitors of other private servers.

There really should be formal training and background checks of every staff/volunteer to the fullest. Companies do it all the time. Especially if treasures were to come out in a few years and we see more people jump on the private classic server wagon. The demands are going to be much greater than previously. More than "free-to-play" or just a classic server.

"You're on camera, say something"

Her: can we go upstairs?
Me: yes.
Her: did you get protections?
Me: why, What’s up there?


If you want to play retail. That's fine. I am happy for you. That doesn’t change the reality that SE can sneak into your account and mess with your data while you’re gaming. They could even wipe everything clean and make you start over as a level 1 in Rabao, but players just brush it off as a glitch.

Although Retail has its' own flaws as any other game. I did a questionnaire with retail users and the response from them is that most drama or issues are ingame related and that the problems that arise in private servers do not replicate in a retail setting.

It just depends on someone's priority. And again, I value safety above all else. When I feel safe and have user protection and see that is being demonstrated through others. That's when I have fun. It's the best trade off.

As far as I have studied Private Server history, though, is that they seem to go downhill and stop at 2-3 years, recycle, and repeat a completely new server.

They both have their entire pros and cons. People have preferences. Mine changed. Others will change too over time. People from retail enter private server because it saves money and nostalgic. People from private servers go back to retail because of their lifestyle, they can't do the grind, or they just love retail.

If the private server environment proves itself in the user protection department then it may catch my interest again... until then though.. it's all retail.

Yes, protections are all that important. I don't think RA would agree with me because he simply loves the toxic community.

A while back, I used to be totally against private servers because they just confused me. But then I ended up hurting that poor little girl's feelings when she mentioned she played on one and that her mom was a veteran of FFXI. It took me a while to get it and learn from my mistakes. Honestly, why does it even matter which server someone likes?

You're not satisficed with their service, why bother trying to explain? The retail folks just nod along, pretending to agree with everything you say.

Maybe just hang tight and see if someone else chimes in with their thoughts on this. Bye and have fun! ;)

I enjoy discussions and engagement. I also think by sharing it helps improve the overall community with a common goal of self or collective improvement despite all the negativity that happens. I do trust that process above all.

As sure as the sun rises in the east, retail players let private servers live rent-free in their heads to the point that they bump 9 month old topics. Somehow it's always people with almost no posting history too, odd.

I haven't seen or heard of SE banning anyone for harassment in years. SE hasn't given a single *** about players for aeons. I don't even know what SE would ban for at this point.

People openly cheat on retail on stream with quad+ boxes, botting gets a light slap on the wrist (3 day vacations).. did anyone even get banned for the craft HQ exploit or the dyna-d medal duping?

What makes anyone think that SE would actually care about in game chat that isn't anti-japanese racism? I have no doubt private servers have banned more people for in-game stalking/harassment or general tomfoolery than SE has in years.

Aeons ago, in dark times I believe before CoP someone gave me a /tell saying me he'd rape my sister... why did he do this? Because I had the audacity to claim and kill a goblin near the lizzy camp in dunes. He only got a 3 day vacation.

I had also been directly bullied in a group because my name in game was the RL name of my LS leader so they called him by the name "casey" and I was relegated to "drgcasey". It felt like ***because I could never tell who they were talking about, additionally I was still a teenage kid at the time. GMs didn't give a ***so I took things into my own hands and splintered off into a different chat linkshell and those people have been my friends for over 20 years.

Retail isn't "safe", never has been and never will be. If someone truly values "safety" the only option is to not go online.

POL still has an exploit that isn't fixed either. It still hasn't been closed in over a year, and probably never will be.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/61067-PlayOnline-Exploits