Did Ff16 Flop?
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Did ff16 flop?
The reception of the game seemed fine to me? FF fans are always going to be divided (and its easy to see that with every FF game released in the social media era) as people like different things. The same happened with previous entries. If it was really that bad you'd see a poor metacritic user score and not the 8.1 it has (and that's with the review bombing because of it being an exclusive too).
RadialArcana said: » If your fanbase is divided and it's divisive, you blew it because these are people who want to love your game. Atleast the XI people have reason to dislike XIV. XIV actually did flop and XI was stuck footing the bill after SE moved all their resources to XIV and XI got nothing.
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I have the game.
Made progress into it. Eventually lost interest in playing it. I'm not good at live action games, so I went with the Square button Kingdom Hearts style mashing option. That got boring after a while. Also, the story just seemed a bit repetitive after a bit. Beat up one person who is bad, steal their power. Rinse/Repeat. Down $70. I'll just take the L and move on. Carbuncle.Nynja said: » FF is no longer a turn based JPRG This isn't the problem, ff7r is a turn based game made into an action game and it is widely liked, any "flaws" are overlooked because the greater package is acceptable. FF7R is pretty much FF fanservice, issues aside it's still what it is. Nier Automata is an action game and is adored by many in the FF fanbase. The reason many FF fans don't like ff16, is the entire package deviated too much from the FF norms they wanted. Not just cause of the combat, if it was turn based many who don't like it still would not like it. Its not that its a badly made game, its that its not what many FF fans wanted in a numbered FF game. If it had been called something else, there would be no problem becasue people who liked what it offered would buy it and FF fans who didn't could just ignore it. As a FF fan who did not like this game though, you have to wait 5-7 years for another one now.
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FF7R widely liked? Were you not around at the time of release where fans were criticising the hell out of the changes to the story? Or the lack of customisation? Or the amount of unnecessary padding? It was as divisive as 16 is, perhaps even more so as it was a remake of a beloved game.
Both games are flawed, both are 'divisive', both are critical successes and generally good games.
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Bismarck.Stephenjd said: » FF7R widely liked? Were you not around at the time of release where fans were criticising the hell out of the changes to the story? Or the lack of customisation? Or the amount of unnecessary padding? It was as divisive as 16 is, perhaps even more so as it was a remake of a beloved game. Both games are flawed, both are 'divisive'. Apparently, you are unaware that FFXIAH represents the entire FF community! Sakaguchi himself (even though he is considered undereducated to modern technologies) has had a lot of fun playing FF16. Even FF14 too.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Everyone has a different taste. https://x.com/auuo/status/1673129561406726147 https://www.pcgamer.com/final-fantasy-7-remake-took-a-dump-on-my-childhood/
There were plenty of discussions along the lines of this article back when FF7R released so to say it wasn't divisive is revisionism. Bismarck.Stephenjd said: » FF7R widely liked? Were you not around at the time of release where fans were criticising the hell out of the changes to the story? Or the lack of customisation? Or the amount of necessary padding? It was as divisive as 16 is, perhaps even more so as it was a remake of a beloved game. FF7R is an apple with some bruises. The extreme padding because it was episodic and the episodic nature are the worst things with the game, but the whole package carry the failings. The graphics, the character designs, the music, the voice work etc. It's Final Fantasy porn, that will make most FF fans just overlook the failings long term. Ff16 is an orange when you wanted an apple, and if you like oranges that's no problem. But a lot of people didn't want an orange and are mad they didn't get an apple.
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RadialArcana said: » Bismarck.Stephenjd said: » FF7R widely liked? Were you not around at the time of release where fans were criticising the hell out of the changes to the story? Or the lack of customisation? Or the amount of necessary padding? It was as divisive as 16 is, perhaps even more so as it was a remake of a beloved game. FF7R is an apple with some bruises. The extreme padding because it was episodic and the episodic nature are the worst things with the game, but the whole package carry the failings. The graphics, the character designs, the music, the voice work etc. It's Final Fantasy porn, that will make most FF fans just overlook the failings long term. Ff16 is an orange when you wanted an apple, and if you like oranges that's no problem. But a lot of people didn't want an orange and are mad they didn't get an apple. You're giving your own opinion of why you like Remake (and your opinion of FFXVI) and stating that is what every FF fan felt about the game. It's cool that you like the game, I do too but it was divisive.
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Zehira said: » Sakaguchi himself (even though he is considered undereducated to modern technologies) has had a lot of fun playing FF16. Even FF14 too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Everyone has a different taste. https://x.com/auuo/status/1673129561406726147 Do I need to point out the obvious? You do know that celebrities are paid to endorse things right? you know this is a literal thing? He is the Michael Jordan of FF, why would Square Enix not pay him to say it's amazeballs. FF15? Amazeballs, best game ever! FF14? Amazeballs, best game ever! FF16, o m g, amazeballs! best game ever! ff9!? Amazeballs! YouTube Video Placeholder
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You are going to question the literal creator of Final Fantasy and say he is being a paid shill just to suit your agenda of FF16 is bad?
Edit: All the games you stated were good games? The dude literally binged 14 in a matter of a few weeks. He likes Final Fantasy games lol. Edit2: I'm also interested in your reasoning for posting that video and what you think it shows (I need a laugh).
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Celebrities of importance are paid to endorse products for corporations out of the advertising budget, he left Square Enix in 2002. He would not promote games for free for a corporation in a recurring fashion unless he was being paid to do so.
You can believe otherwise if you want though, that's cool too.
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"Celebrity"
Nobody besides salty nerds like you who already hate 14 and 16 or established fans who already bought the game months before it came out would know who Sakaguchi is. He isn't good advertising to hit the zoomer and mainstream audience. Why you think he's a marketing ace in the hole worth paying for is beyond me
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RadialArcana said: » Celebrities of importance are paid to endorse products for corporations out of the advertising budget, he left Square Enix in 2002. He would not promote games for free for a corporation in a recurring fashion unless he was being paid to do so. You can believe otherwise if you want though, that's cool too. Or maybe he just likes playing games, who knows? I still wonder why you posted that video though? Do you think that was him seriously taking money to say 9 was his best ever FF? Bismarck.Stephenjd said: » FF7R widely liked? Were you not around at the time of release where fans were criticising the hell out of the changes to the story? Even quite early on it's noticeable, but by the end it's confirmed, that VII-R is a sequel, not a replacement. "Remake" doesn't refer to the state of the game, it's a concept within the plot; but the double-entendre was purposeful. People complaining about changes to the story either didn't play it, or didn't understand the story beats. Shiva.Eightball said: » While I have not played 16 (and based on info here, not interested) it sounds like many chars swear often in this game (correct me if I’m wrong). In FF7 there was swearing but it was only from certain characters which lends to understanding those characters better. Hmm it's the difference between organic and forced. FFXVI kinda went out of it's way in this regard. Overall it felt forced, like the script writers / localizers were ordered to ratchet it up to earn a certain score. Movies do this all the time.
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Shiva.Haldarn said: » Bismarck.Stephenjd said: » FF7R widely liked? Were you not around at the time of release where fans were criticising the hell out of the changes to the story? Even quite early on it's noticeable, but by the end it's confirmed, that VII-R is a sequel, not a replacement. "Remake" doesn't refer to the state of the game, it's a concept within the plot; but the double-entendre was purposeful. People complaining about changes to the story either didn't play it, or didn't understand the story beats. I like to call it a reimagining as some story beats are the same but yeah sequel works too. We won't know for sure until all 3 games are out but it'll be interesting to see where the story goes. Shiva.Haldarn said: » Bismarck.Stephenjd said: » FF7R widely liked? Were you not around at the time of release where fans were criticising the hell out of the changes to the story? Even quite early on it's noticeable, but by the end it's confirmed, that VII-R is a sequel, not a replacement. "Remake" doesn't refer to the state of the game, it's a concept within the plot; but the double-entendre was purposeful. People complaining about changes to the story either didn't play it, or didn't understand the story beats. Except people originally bought the game thinking it would tell the same story. They then bought it and played through it only to be upset that it wasn't the same story. No ***they'd realize it isn't what they wanted after they already played it, that's why they were complaining. It has nothing to do with not being able to understand the story beats. Personally I'm glad FF7R isn't the same damn game I've played dozens of times over the last 25 years, but your boiling down of this is misrepresenting why people were complaining about it.
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They added swearing to ff7r but it was way less jarring there, even when Aerith said it.
RadialArcana said: » They added swearing to ff7r but it was way less jarring there, even when Aerith said it. Like many things, it's all about execution. You can have this stuff inside a story medium as long as it's organic and slid in smoothly. The viewer shouldn't even notice it, it should just be accepted as part of that character. A good example of this is anything Samuel L Jackson plays. He is over the top but it's done in such a natural way that nobody feels it's scripted.
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A lot of people also complained about the swearing in Remake, and I expect the same for Rebirth. I do get that some people just don't like it in games.
Marvel movies have meaningless swearing in them from head to toe and until recently when people finally burned out on the overall concept of the MCU they made billions of dollars. As much as it sucks that some people cant fully enjoy a piece of media because of things like that it doesn't stand to scrutiny that it makes any significant impact on profitability.
The problem isn't the swearing, the problem is how it's done.
I love profanity and booba, but if you do it wrong and/or it's forced it's cringe.
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Both games have some forced/cringe swearing but a lot of it makes sense in the context of either the situation or the person.
Really the only difference I hear is Remake swears with American accents and 16 does it with British accents. That's my point behind saying "meaningless swearing". The marvel movies do it like ***too. Every line of dialogue in those things is made to be a try hard one liner and the cringe more egregious than any video game I've ever played w/ swearing. That didn't stop them from making money hand over fist.
Personally I had no issues with how it was delivered in XVI and until this thread I've never really seen it cited as a major criticism of the game. Some of the deliveries of the *** word were comedic or cringe but it didn't ruin the game for me, and I don't have to worry about having toddlers in audio range while playing so that wasn't a factor for me either. Typically the complaint is either that the game wasn't a turn based game or that the game is too easy and thus boring (definitely too easy). Some of the times Cloud swears it sounds a bit cringe/funny and when Ifrit does it in 16 it's the same to me anyway.
Both games have some very good voice actors though. RadialArcana said: » Celebrities of importance are paid to endorse products for corporations out of the advertising budget, he left Square Enix in 2002. He would not promote games for free for a corporation in a recurring fashion unless he was being paid to do so. You can believe otherwise if you want though, that's cool too. Final Fantasy is his legacy, his literal life's work! He's gonna have opinions on it! Like, if there's one man on the planet whose opinion about what Final Fantasy "is" actually matters, he is the guy! Do you honestly think they cut him a check so he could say "yeah man 16 is the bee's knees"? Why would he even do that? Does he strike you as someone desperate for cash, or eager to tarnish his legacy? Anyway, this argument is silly even by the standards of forum arguments, there's to be no disrespecting The Gooch on this here website, you heathens
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Bismarck.Stephenjd said: » Both games have some forced/cringe swearing but a lot of it makes sense in the context of either the situation or the person. Really the only difference I hear is Remake swears with American accents and 16 does it with British accents. What did you think of the quality of the British voice acting in ff16. Also, the only issue with the swearing in XVI is that if they're gonna give the game a damn M rating anyway, Clive should have sounded like a sailor with a stubbed toe. I want to hear him swearing in combat as part of the battle chatter. His pet name for Gav should be "***". Go big or go the *** home, Square
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