BLM Sortie Do's/donts

I always say Laev is a cors best friend :). Vidohunir and leaden salute work so well together. AM3 laev, get up in melee max haste and pump out vidos like a boss with cor closing the skillchains...super fun.

More damage in MB is never a bad thing. You're "occasionally" hitting 99,999 T3 spells because you're most likely landing the first burst after the Nuke Wall resets.

Having more dmg allows your walled MBs to do more since they're unlikely to land at capped damage.

At any rate, based on your argument, if you're already clearing 8/8 or 9/9 Sortie bosses, what's the point in upgrading any gear at all?

This. So many times over.

This is the exact same argument people have been making for why prime weapons suck since the day they were released. "Oh, I can already hit 99k, why do I need a prime?"

It rings very hollow to me because it ignores the hundreds of times they aren't hitting 99k, ignores tp rate, white damage, other buff scenarios, other targets, other skillchain setups, and only looks at a single data point and extrapolates that.

Why bother getting stikini rings when your geo can give your indi refresh?
Why bother getting a +2 neck when you can clear 9 bosses with a +1?
Why bother getting a Rostam when a Lanun Knife is enough to clear bosses?

...because it's a video game and improving your performance and power is the whole point of RPGs

There cant be 8/8 and 9/9. Its 8/9, and 8/9 has room to improve, regardless how far that goal is.

If a group is content doing 8/9 because pushing for a full clear is beyond the efforts they want to put in, thats another thing.

Are people actually hitting 99k on v25 Ody bosses without primes? I don't think our group was ever close to getting those numbers, but I could be wrong. Been a while since I did them.

I assume you mean this for nukes, since this is BLM related thread? It's possible under Bolster, Subtle Sorcery or Rayke, High INT buffs and successive magic damage bonus. I've hit 93k on my mediocre BLM on Ongo25 and have seen others hit 99k pre-prime release. You can hit a 99k Kaustra on V25 Bumba without a prime. If you mean on a melee job, I don't know that I've seen that (you might be able to hit it on DNC with all buffs/Climactic/Bolster/no wall resistance).

I recall someone posted a screenshot of their Sarv damage on Arebati 25 when they first got it and it was quite high. Don't think it was 99k though.

You can do 8/8 mage to build Aminon easily and still be terrible at clearing Aminon in it's own run.

Then there is room to improve.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

I'm thinking you're grabbing your pitchfork a little too early there, friend.


....Surely, you must be joking....



Ok, ***. If you're going to jump on a hate-fueled bandwagon because you choose to be myopic, or have nothing else to do, go right ahead. I'm done being patient, empathetic or diplomatic. It's like some people, read the last 3 posts and then just decide to pop off.

I said what I said about Stage 5 prime staff for me specifically. I've been playing BLM every day for 2 years and maybe I don't want my first Stage 5 prime to be for BLM? Or maybe I don't play SMN or SCH often enough to warrant the 5 million muffin cost to take it to Stage 5? Maybe I want to make my first Stage 5 weapon for a completely different variety of jobs?...


I afterglow'ed my Guttler at 99 cap.
I was the first person to afterglow an Ochain (and legitimately, too).
I have all Artifact Armor to +3.
I have all Relic Armor to +3.
I have all Empy Armor to +3.
...I have every REMA, to Rank 15.

Respectfully, if you're *** doesn't touch the floor, please lower your voice when you're speaking to me. ...Or just, for ***'s sake, go touch grass. Damn.

your*

Not enough talk here on how to optimize your Quick Cast and FC on Warp II and Escape.

COR/GEO/RUN/SCH/SCH/SCH

This game would probably have homicide rates
If we had to get together in real life to play

You would hear on the news
Local man beaten to death with ***
Over being the weakest link in the group

Lose the parse, lose your life.

With a name like buttplug, you'd be the first to get ***'d.

Xzomit Game


(c) TM patent pending

Did 5 years in a federal penitentiary
For Aggravated Assault Causing Bodily Harm

I bet the guys that never
Got sent to detention in school
Would own me
Lol

...and yet, you still have to come on the forums and ask other people what staff to use for BLM, because you think Magic Accuracy Skill is the most important stat for increasing nuke damage so...I guess your "accomplishments" haven't taught you much about how to play FFXI.

I don't profess to know everything. But I take offense to anyone implying that I just don't put in the effort.

Also, I'm simply open to the idea that our understanding of FFXI's mechanics can change at a moment's notice. There's always more to learn and uncover, especially with how cryptic (and underwhelming) SE's public statements tend to be.

In my post I wasn't specifically talking about you, even though you were the catalyst that started the conversation, to be clear. I have an issue with the attitude in general of "well, we're already clearing this boss with XYZ job/equipment/spell/etc, there's no reason to get ABC job/equipment/spell/etc" or "well, I already hit 99k with a spell/WS/BP one time under one condition, there's no reason to improve ABC" which is (in my opinion) very prevalent in the game (Especially on the forum).

In hindsight if I were talking about you it wouldn't even apply to you because you said in an earlier post that you had R15 Laev, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms that I hadn't intended to open.

I don't know the first thing about your skills, abilities, accomplishments, gear, or anything other than what you just listed out and there's a good chance I'll forget that before long. Fortunately this game/site doesn't do much to track and make public people's achievements, so all we can go by are people's words.

I also think it's good to challenge what we know about the game, but I wouldn't count "I have a guess about something so I wore a staff for 6 months without testing anything" pushing the boundaries of our FFXI mechanics knowledge.

It's hard to stand by that statement when the answer to your question is simply on bg wiki if you search for macc. That's not a lot of effort but yet you didn't put in for it. And this isn't actually you specifically, there are a bunch of people that don't read for comprehension and then get out their tinfoil hats to start theorycrafting instead of doing testing to verify what is already published.

Then there are people that did the reading and somehow the burden of proof lays at their feet to reread or do tests for people who want to post questions about the mysteries of this game rather search a publicly available website. Just google it or ask someone for where you would find info on the topic you want to know more about. Then you can form your own answer and do some critical thinking in a discussion if you don't just find the answer.

I am not always right with my understanding of this game because 22 jobs. But because I look stuff up and read for comprehension, when I am wrong and someone corrects me, I can understand that they are right. I can thank them for correcting me rather than them letting me continue to have bad info about the game i clearly like playing and would like to be right about. I would not brag about accomplishments to justify my statement because no one cares and it wouldn't make me any less wrong or ignorant. If you can use a thesaurus well enough to use salient correctly in a sentence to bait nerds, you can read an article or do your own testing. Put in the effort you profess to be willing to do.

Dos: Take a sch.
Don'ts: Take a blm.

I agree with you on the second part. However, on the first part, to be completely transparent, I did put in the effort to search, but my familiarity with BGwiki sent me down the wrong path. I read the following, familiar pages, searching for any mention of Magic Accuracy skill:

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Magic_Damage
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Magic_Damage_Statistic

But there's a lot of nested material there to get lost in. The BGWiki page for Magic Accuracy Skill has more informative now than it was in the past. It used to only point here: Blugarter's 112776-Dev-Tracker-Findings-Posts-NO-DISCUSSION ...(At the bottom of this page, Magic Accuracy Skill is discussed in the context of Magic Accuracy and Magic Attack when aftermath is active on Ergon/Mythic weapons). Magic Damage/Magic Attack is not mentioned.

Anyway, I don't want to dilute this conversation with the depth and breadth of information that is out there. It is a lot for one person to digest.

What I hope you take away from this: My searches seemed to showcase an incidental omission about any relationship between "Magic Accuracy Skill" and "Magic Damage" (even in the case of aftermath). However, now we can conclude with 100% certainty, there is none (and not by simply a lack of specificity on BGwiki's part).

Thanks to Argisto for the Magic Accuracy Skill test and sharing Lute's blogs.
Thanks to Maletaru for sharing the nuking damage comparison among the different staves.
Thanks to everyone, for the memes.

This is part of why it's so frustrating talking to you.

You originally asked what would blm use over Su5 staff absent a REMA.

I answered that immediately with 4 options (one of which was kind of a joke but not really... lol lathi).

And you're response was "I would have liked something more substantive." As if I have a requirement not only to provide my recommendations, but also to provide a thesis on why those options are better than using SU5.

You proceeded to make a completely outlandish claim that required 3 people and no fewer than 7 cited references for you to acknowledge that MAYBE your claim has no basis.

You then get butthurt over comments that aren't directed at you and start throwing around personal attacks and my favorite the I've made all the things so I'm somewhat of a scientist myself, as ?proof? that you might know what you're talking about.

2 pages later you finally acknowledge that there is completely no basis for thinking that magic accuracy skill+ also affects max damage of a nuke.

Meanwhile you're sitting on a R15 Mythic and you're using SU5 staff.

Edit: Corrected misstatement.

I just want to point out that "I afterglowed my Guttler at and Ochain at 99 cap" is like saying "I dropped my life savings on $TUAH"

This was ~11-12 years ago, at a minimum. Also, in my opinion, SE/FFXI has never rewarded players who were early adopters in any substantial way. What can I say? Time makes fools of us all.


Again, my accomplishments were a rebuttal to someone asserting that I wasn't putting in effort. You're reaching quite a bit, as I did not say what you're accusing me of.


Hindsight vision is always 20/20. I did NOT say there is no basis. I called it a surprising omission, that I couldn't find a mention of it, as it relates to Magic Damage. Again, you don't have to appreciate any critical thinking that goes into SE's omissions.

It's just not implausible to see a new tier of Magic Accuracy Skill +277, on a new OP magic staff, and ask: "Does this tier affect Magic Damage?" or "Has anyone tested this before?" "Why? ..or, Why not?".


Apologies, my synapses fire extremely quickly and I sometimes condense information in my head and fail to convey the entire thought into words. The sum is: I used R15 Mythic religiously, and then I got lazy and disabled any weapon toggling after Mana Wall, which kept me in Su5 staff. (...Maybe I did it again? :shrug:)