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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-11-05 14:17:51
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3 minutes isn't enough?
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By Garuda.Hypnotizd 2009-11-05 14:18:38
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ITT: FFXI is to hard for WHM or RDM.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2009-11-05 14:19:21
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Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
3 minutes isn't enough?


RDM get 9 minutes.
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By Garuda.Hypnotizd 2009-11-05 14:20:01
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Sylph.Beelshamen said:
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
3 minutes isn't enough?


RDM get 9 minutes.

For themselves only.
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By Odin.Ahligieri 2009-11-05 14:22:40
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Gilgamesh.Kenzilla said:
White mages should be given the option to battle wether they choose magic or melee


1. No
2. Level a melee
3. Do it anyways
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-11-05 14:22:52
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Sylph.Beelshamen said:
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
3 minutes isn't enough?


RDM get 9 minutes.


On yourself. Not others. He's talking about hasting a party.

Someone beat m to it. Anyways, WHMs aren't meant to melee. "But we get Hexa Strike!" is a stupid argument. Hexa Strike just allows us the opportunity to melee, but that doesn't mean we SHOULD.

If you want to melee, go melee in campaign. Or find yourself a shell that's busting at the seams with WHMs, it doesn't matter what you do. If you don't enjoy being a healer, then don't level WHM.
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2009-11-05 14:23:35
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Well, then, I want 15% Refueling!
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By Remora.Ninian 2009-11-05 14:24:26
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Haste my DNC please, kthx.

But seriously it's not hard to haste people, unless you're the only healer and don't have a BRD or COR to help with extra refreshes. WHM MP management kinda blows, though. Even with /SCH.

Edit: If you want to melee and heal, level DNC.
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-11-05 14:25:52
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Remora.Ninian said:
Haste my DNC please, kthx.

But seriously it's not hard to haste people, unless you're the only healer and don't have a BRD or COR to help with extra refreshes. WHM MP management kinda blows if you suck, though. Even with /SCH.


Fixed. A WHM can manage MP just fine if they don't blow their MP on stupid ***. (Cure V on someone who is only missing 300 HP for example.)
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By Garuda.Hypnotizd 2009-11-05 14:28:31
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Remora.Ninian said:
Edit: If you want to melee and heal and have a hard time getting party invites, level DNC.

Fixed.
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By Sylph.Otsego 2009-11-05 15:23:07
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Gilgamesh.Kenzilla said:
Make haste last 2x as long. White mages should be given the option to battle wether they choose magic or melee ,but either way i shouldn't have to devote my mana to haste every /ninja. I understand haste works exponentially with melee i am just tired of everyone who considers themself a dd crying for some haste. Also haste on a wyvern is metal.


Below meripo, I operate by one rule, the tank gets haste, I do not give a damn about anyone /nin. If I am the only haste, and say there is no BRD, the tank gets hasted, maybe myself, I dont normally haste myself. If people don't like it, tell them to STFU and try surviving with the MP you have, and keeping the chains alive. If you have a RDM and WHM in party, there is absolutely no excuse not to haste everyone.
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By Leviathan.Antonioklaus 2009-11-07 04:11:07
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Someone beat m to it. Anyways, WHMs aren't meant to melee. "But we get Hexa Strike!" is a stupid argument. Hexa Strike just allows us the opportunity to melee, but that doesn't mean we SHOULD.

Rightly geared whm can do more dmg with true strike on stuff like DL than anyone else there.
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By Cerberus.Quipto 2009-11-07 04:57:49
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There shouldn't be a problem hasting 5 people with or without refresh. In a merit setting, i'll usually haste all DD's and won't haste myself. Lately i've been going whm/nin to merits and it's amazing the amount of mp I have at all times. 600+ hexas, 200+ mp return on boons, capped accuracy, on top of keeping everyone alive and hasted.
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By Leviathan.Marzanna 2009-11-07 20:43:37
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Gilgamesh.Kenzilla said:
Make haste last 2x as long. White mages should be given the option to battle wether they choose magic or melee ,but either way i shouldn't have to devote my mana to haste every /ninja. I understand haste works exponentially with melee i am just tired of everyone who considers themself a dd crying for some haste. Also haste on a wyvern is metal.


I'm going to assume you're just trolling. You can't be seriously complaining about this, its not *that* hard... least it gives us something to do heh. Possibly you should go level SCH, they don't have to haste anyone..

Also anto is correct on the whole Hexa vs DL thing.
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By Fairy.Specopsz 2009-11-07 20:49:53
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I hate haste period.
It ruins 75% of DD's.
Who cares about TP build, worry about what your WS's need.
Like SAM's, I've seen SAM's with so much haste gear its pitiful, an there WS's suffer for it.
All SAM's WS's are based off of 75% strength, not *** haste.

Edit: Spells are a different matter sorry.
I see where the arguement is going. :3
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By Lakshmi.Wardens 2009-11-07 20:59:18
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Uh... thats what gear swap macros are for? hmm?

I have 20% haste with my tp set on SAM. and I still manage to get +60STR and depending on the circumstances another +22% ws damage.. lol

But yes I <3 haste. But thats why I have hasso + 20% haste on my SAM... But there isn't a reason to cry over not getting it lol

Even though some mages I've seen manage to haste the entire party. But those are few and far between.

EDIT: and Specopsz I love your avatar lol
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By Fairy.Specopsz 2009-11-07 21:12:19
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You have a good point, just saying most people seem like there forced into buying or getting it.
Not everyone has the time an gil for both sets.

An thanks :D
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By Lakshmi.Wardens 2009-11-07 22:36:24
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ah yes, you are certainly right! I'm nowhere near rich.. so fortunately most of my good gear was free! uh... minus the time it took to get point to lot.. ;_;

and you're quite welcome :)
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By Hades.Feix 2009-11-08 00:03:15
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Fairy.Specopsz said:
You have a good point, just saying most people seem like there forced into buying or getting it. Not everyone has the time an gil for both sets. An thanks :D


w-turban/askar head - free
askar hands - free
byakko's - free
swift/velo - free
sarutobi kyahan - free

theres a free 18%-21% haste set

wyvern helm - 50k (askar head free)
palla's - 50k (or camp for free)
warwolf belt - 50k (or bcnm for free)
af legs - free
hachiman feet - 50k (or get rutter's for free)

free -200k for a 23-25str swap for sam.

and there are a bunch of alternatives. so gil isn't an excuse not to have tp/ws sets even if the gear is NQ. as for the time issue, welcome to ffxi.
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By Lakshmi.Wardens 2009-11-08 00:28:53
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yup there you go. there are almost always different obtainable options :)
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By Fairy.Kyarutaru 2009-11-12 23:05:08
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=) WHMs can surely melee with the right setup! But gotta have hundreds of millions of gil in gear (Mjollnir + Kraken + Full Blessed HQ, Toreador's, Sniper's +1) and devote your add-on augments to the melee side ;o
And well, most don't. Then again, most don't have relic or for some reason don't even bother getting Perdu Wand if they really wanna melee /shrug. :o with a good setup, ya can effectively bonk stuff and keep up a haste cycle on a full melee party with meriting np.
You can't suck, and you have to be pretty dedicated.
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By Bahamut.Atrithk 2009-11-12 23:11:58
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Garuda.Hypnotizd said:
Remora.Ninian said:
Edit: If you want to melee and heal and have a hard time getting party invites, level DNC.
Fixed.
>implying you don't simply solo BSt, PUP, and DNC to 75
lolok
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2009-11-12 23:17:54
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Fairy.Specopsz said:
You have a good point, just saying most people seem like there forced into buying or getting it.
Not everyone has the time an gil for both sets.

An thanks :D

The purpose of a damage dealer is to deal damage. TP setups allow you to hit the mob without missing and accrue TP. TP allows you to weaponskill, inflicting significant damage (given that you have a good WS setup).

No acc/haste TP setup? Swing slowly and miss a lot. No WS setup? Mediocre damage dealing.

It's the basics of a DD job. You're not a good DD automatically just by being 75. Just the same, a WHM75 with Cure II at best isn't a good healer.