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Harassing female players then banning them because they refused to give in to the coercion seems pretty ***. The rest of the support staff turning a blind eye implies a moral compass being absolutely *** across the board.

Im a huge ***, but even that crosses lines for me.

But if you're a male player, how does that affect you? /s

It's ***(if true), but that doesn't really affect the actual game for 95% of players.

I think the perspective of most people is...If you went to a car mechanic and found out he also drown puppies in the back yard, you'd probably want to stop giving him money.

Sure, his drowning puppies doesn't affect the way he changes your oil, but you're still supporting him (and his behavior) by giving him money.

There's no evidence on either side, and Aerec is right that it would be our burden of proof in this case.

But that's why I put the note about money in parentheses, because it wasn't important. The fact is, there was a lot of hype generated. Trailers, livestreams, and just a big team behind it. Even I started falling for the hype until friends started reporting back and I saw what kind of state it was in from watching streams on Twitch.

I'm not saying you aren't having actual fun, I'm saying that it's probably not the most amount of fun you'll have playing Final Fantasy XI. Take a step back, ask yourself why you're on Horizon instead of any other option, and then compare it to one of the things I listed above.

And if you are enjoying yourself, that's fine. I'm not trying to say to leave that server, especially since you probably have friends on there and you've already made progress. But don't lie to yourself or to us that you're on Horizon because of Horizon itself.

That's blindly speculative, nigh-impossible to test, and entirely subjective. Horizon does a good enough job to keep me occupied for the time being(that won't last, but oh well). The idea of impractically min-maxing "fun" is laughable.

If you criticize staff in any kind of way, even politely or in your private discords/linkshell chat, you'll get on their shitlist and treated badly.

This has been the entire point of the last 6 pages of posts. The whole conversation has been whether or not Horizon sucks, right from the start. Your enjoyment of Horizon is not what's up for debate. People can enjoy literally anything. It's impossible to argue subjective perspectives.

We've concluded that quality and population are not correlated and that Horizon doesn't have anything over other servers outside of said popularity. So I suppose we agree, especially if you're using the term "good enough" to describe its objective quality.

Been saying that for ages, long before this server anytime this came up. They are all trying to get that back and they won't, they'll just pretend they have it. That servers pop will dwindle more and more as people get bored of that crap and the sponsors money runs out. The only other content they have is ***we've done a billion times over and exping.. just makes 0 sense. Yet they constantly complain about everything and anything added to retail. I honestly can't wrap my head around how people find that fun compared to the options we have now.

This is exactly what their initial ad push was intended to do, why is it different than any other private server? Well, thats the answer. So you can all /sea all every few minutes and feel good about yourselves in some 75 era dystopia lol. Surely they didn't pad those numbers either. It isn't good, they just want you to think it is.

Gonna have to disagree. Having a large population is pretty damn important quality for an MMO and the regular availability of other players on Horizon makes for a good experience. Every private server is going to have a different balance of factors that make it appealing, but it's clear at the moment that the balance of factors favors Horizon over the competition. Horizon obviously does a pretty good job because the critics can't do much more than nitpick admin drama and minor job adjustments.

Do we really need to post the video of Ninja saying he gave you guys money?

It's funny how often the anti-Horizon crowd pushes this idea without any basis.

Do you own stock in this server or something? lol, tell me if you on that payroll.

What makes this server different than the majority of those 75 era servers that came before it? You really think there was nothing at all that influenced the people trying it? You can't be that naive. A game like FFXI that barely gets youtube videos or streams in the past decade, suddenly gets so many people "trying" it for the first time on a private server and streaming having so much fun, the most unrealistic looking "gamers" that are completely paid for. I can't believe people are so gullible.


Radial is banned, but he had posted the evidence multiple times across threads. I can only attest to the video I personally saw of Ninja talking about it, but Radial had posted pics of them using generated characters to pad the server numbers. I don't save every pic or even care that much to investigate to show you but I just chuckled every time someone brought up the server pop number as if that validates their choice to play that garbage. Why didn't they play any of the ones before it if that content and game design was so amazing.

Main admin for private server has ***to say about retail and welcomes players to private server where it's all fun and roses and makes the world a better place.

Shocked, I am, I tell you.

No, your posts are just laughable. You're a hilarious combination of willful obtuseness, curmudgeonly bellyaching, and conspiratorial raving.

So the one person who was more frothing at the mouth about Horizon than you conveniently posted evidence that no longer exists? I remember Radial having a major melty about alleged falsified numbers, but they never posted any proof about it.

It no longer exists because admins kept coming and deleting the threads, blocking the people posting about it and suspending them. Now because someone bought into the hype of this garbage server they are allowing posts about it.

Once again, I don't care enough about this garbage to dig deep. I personally saw the video of Ninja myself and many others. If you can't put two and two together, you are lost.

Oh man, I bet it goes all the way to the top! Hopefully you don't get bagged and thrown into a van for your posts!

And there's still nothing productive to come out of this thread, lol.

It's more like, your mayor is a serial killer and it's basically an open secret at this point, but you can't do anything about it. Your buddy Jimbo likes him because he reminds him of the good times he had in college, which actually kinda sucked, but Jimbo doesn't remember it like that. Sometimes, Jimbo comes to FFXIAH defending the mayor, saying everything's fine, because "he hasn't killed ME yet!" That's this thread.

https://www.twitch.tv/ninja/clip/GracefulDeafDugongHeyGirl-ze7wvqyhRxDezl_E

what you mean "evidence that no longer exists" lol

I mean, it's titled "***Server" I don't think anyone expected anything of value from this thread.

They probably didn't spend any money on advertising and pocketed the rest of the money from Ninja.

I'm confused as to how this clip is any sort of proof that the playerbase numbers are falsified.

Yeah and this is exactly how it starts. People come with the "conspiracy lunatic" labels and the "CaN we PLZ stop this thread" when we are just having a discussion.

You tell me, every single private server before this had almost no success. This one that has a millionaire who is on record saying he loves 75 era XI (he has streamed other servers), who has been in talks with the owners of this server and who has a video on his twitch admitting he gave them money. You are saying none of that is related to the "success" of this server and its totally organic. Gee, I wonder what this server has that others didn't, that DM earring change must have been the winning choice.

Yep, private criticism is not even allowed so public criticism is instant nuke from orbit, no questions asked. That alone is sufficient reason to avoid that server like the plague.

Diminishing returns. Even in terms of private servers, 100 regular players is enough for a functioning economy and progress to be made, as long as the server is balanced for it by allowing more items on the Auction House and increasing skill-up rates for crafts.

The only factor is that when it comes to online games is that it's easier to convince people to play where more friends are. Convincing someone to abandon what they've accomplished is really hard. It's a lot easier to convince one person to join multiple friends than the other way around. Horizon was smart in that it hyped itself up for months, getting people to make plans to all start fresh together right at the start. This was further helped by WingsXI having a mass exodus just before Horizon's launch. A lot of people also took the year 2023 to play every Final Fantasy game, including XI, in preparation for XVI. And because it's free and popular, Horizon was a lot more appealing than retail XI's shitty and antiquated free trial.

And I'm not sure what you're talking about nitpicking. Job balance, economy, bugs, and lack of the team's attention are all pretty big issues. People have spent 6 pages coming up with good reasons why Horizon is objectively a crappy place to be, either compared to other private servers or retail. I've yet to see a single objective point in defense of it outside of "it's popular and I like it".

League of Legends is popular. Fortnite is popular. Are they good games? Are they even the best in their respective genre? Even their communities don't seem to think so. But it's what their friends play, and there's a lot to talk about, so they're popular. If popularity is the only thing that matters, why aren't you playing WoW or XIV? Both of those have way more players than even Horizon! Like hundreds to thousands of times more players. If your logic is sound, and population directly correlates (and is caused by) quality, then WoW is hundreds of times better than FFXI!

I guess the site has no mods anymore? I'd have killed it the second I saw it.