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DRK/SAM is trash - A safe place for unpopular opinions from the ffxiah mob!
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 Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2023-06-21 14:06:10
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Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello said: »
time your last resort for engagement

AKA don't fight anything 20% of the time. As long as you can ask the enemies for a quick time out every few minutes, it's solid!
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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2023-06-21 14:07:20
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Bahamut.Negan said: »
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ALL hail the king of DRK subs!!!!!!

Cheesesteak w/ mushroom and jalapeno.
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By Bahamut.Negan 2023-06-21 14:09:22
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Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »
Cheesesteak w/ mushroom and jalapeno.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2023-06-21 15:04:07
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello said: »
time your last resort for engagement

AKA don't fight anything 20% of the time. As long as you can ask the enemies for a quick time out every few minutes, it's solid!

I mean, I guess if I had fictional capped hasso haste like you it wouldn't be an issue...

If you're not timing your LR pop even for the attack buff, you're part of the problem.
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-06-21 15:19:52
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Asura.Pergatory said: »
DRK/THF y'all done forgot about SATA baby. Party like it's 2003!

There was none of this haste capping, delay capping nonsense back then. You got your Haste 1 and said "thank you, sir." Then proceeded to miss 3 attack rounds in a row while munching on Mithkabobs.

Melee Meth from your local miserable Red Mage. And Sneak Attack Spinning Slash to close light was a real thing.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2023-06-21 17:01:36
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Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »
Cheesesteak w/ mushroom and jalapeno.

Jalapeno? God you people are savages....
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-06-21 17:16:09
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I could (Souleater) sub right now.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2023-06-21 17:23:50
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Bahamut.Negan said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello said: »
ALL hail the king of DRK subs!!!!!!


^ image generated by friend on Midjourney AI

I'm afraid SE is gonna get ideas about the next Login Campaign lockstyle weapon from this image.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2023-06-21 17:50:59
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Best thread we had in ages

Asura.Saevel said: »
And Sneak Attack Spinning Slash to close light was a real thing
One of my most memorable moments in FFXI was using Spinning Slash for the first time, which I saved (so I could savour the moment after weeks of skill up parties) till I could SATA it in an EXP pt on a poor Knight Crawler in Boyahda

Watching the mob's HP melt away in an instant was so satisfying, knowing I could do this all day without pulling hate or losing half of my HP (I was one of those crazy DRKs who set up their parties to close SC's with a Souleater Guillotine, but I was a bit reasonable about it and had a PLD buddy who Covered my *** till he could grab the hate back) and making everyone in the pt lose their ***
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-06-21 17:56:03
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Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
Best thread we had in ages

Asura.Saevel said: »
And Sneak Attack Spinning Slash to close light was a real thing
One of my most memorable moments in FFXI was using Spinning Slash for the first time, which I saved (so I could savour the moment after weeks of skill up parties) till I could SATA it in an EXP pt on a poor Knight Crawler in Boyahda

Watching the mob's HP melt away in an instant was so satisfying, knowing I could do this all day without pulling hate or losing half of my HP (I was one of those crazy DRKs who set up their parties to close SC's with a Souleater Guillotine, but I was a bit reasonable about it and had a PLD buddy who Covered my *** till he could grab the hate back) and making everyone in the pt lose their ***

I remember losing my ***over breaking 1k damage (or was it 10k? it's been so long) for the first time with a SATA+Souleater+Guillotine in Caedarva Mire. Good old days.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2023-06-21 17:57:25
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Ragnarok.Primex said: »
a returning player from 2006
I'd be curious about what the hell happened with their life to have brought them back here after 17 years lol

Ironically, 2006 was when I took my first long break (till Dec 2010, barring a month of play in 2008, having finished college & wanted to mess with BLU and the DRK group 2 merits)


Cerberus.Kylos said: »
breaking 1k damage (or was it 10k?
Has to be 1k.
...the fact that you view 10k as a small number frightens me to ask about the current dmg thresholds the game has right now
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2023-06-21 18:25:47
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Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
Has to be 1k.
...the fact that you view 10k as a small number frightens me to ask about the current dmg thresholds the game has right now

Back when 1k was the norm as seen with the steel cyclone:



The Vista and Ventrilo gives you an idea how old that Guillotine is lol.

DRK 4 lyfe!!! Everyone was floored so I took a screenshot.

Thought I broke the game....
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-06-21 18:56:53
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Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
Ragnarok.Primex said: »
a returning player from 2006
I'd be curious about what the hell happened with their life to have brought them back here after 17 years lol

Ironically, 2006 was when I took my first long break (till Dec 2010, barring a month of play in 2008, having finished college & wanted to mess with BLU and the DRK group 2 merits)


Cerberus.Kylos said: »
breaking 1k damage (or was it 10k?
Has to be 1k.
...the fact that you view 10k as a small number frightens me to ask about the current dmg thresholds the game has right now

1k was my initial thought but it felt so low I had to question my memory, lol.
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By Asura.Vyre 2023-06-21 20:10:20
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I have two core memories from that era that I'll hold onto forever.

Getting Rampage at level 56, and being invited to a Lesser Colibri party by Japanese players, and ending the party at level 61 with a Mighty Strikes Rampage for 1276 damage.

Being 75 in Sea, fighting Jailer of Love. Using Mighty Strikes Steel Cyclone at 300% TP to deal 2254 damage, and JoL was Boosted by Fluorescence since the PLD was tanking it on the hood edge, and I pulled hate and got melee'd for like 1700+ damage and died.

Come back in today's standards with today's calculations, and a level 75 DRK can SA Cross Reaper Byakko for like 7894
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By Dodik 2023-06-21 20:28:18
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Bringing back memories of "Using Souleater! Need heals!" followed by a very dead drk for the umpteenth time.
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By Shiva.Humpo 2023-06-21 20:30:42
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Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello said: »
Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
Has to be 1k.
...the fact that you view 10k as a small number frightens me to ask about the current dmg thresholds the game has right now

Back when 1k was the norm as seen with the steel cyclone:



The Vista and Ventrilo gives you an idea how old that Guillotine is lol.

DRK 4 lyfe!!! Everyone was floored so I took a screenshot.

Thought I broke the game....

That... seems kind of low to me. seeing 1k-1.5k guillotines and rampages seemed pretty normal/standard to me back then.
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-06-21 20:54:04
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Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
Ragnarok.Primex said: »
a returning player from 2006
I'd be curious about what the hell happened with their life to have brought them back here after 17 years lol

Ironically, 2006 was when I took my first long break (till Dec 2010, barring a month of play in 2008, having finished college & wanted to mess with BLU and the DRK group 2 merits)


Cerberus.Kylos said: »
breaking 1k damage (or was it 10k?
Has to be 1k.
...the fact that you view 10k as a small number frightens me to ask about the current dmg thresholds the game has right now

All SE did was inflate the monsters HP values to match our WS output values.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2023-06-21 20:54:48
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Anyone remember what update this change was made? I'm curious to read the update notes.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-06-21 20:56:49
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It's a bunch of updates and power creep, not really one specific update

Practically everything mechanically from era was altered.

Like, STR:ATT was 2005~, pdif/defense mattering was 2011~, the big ws overhaul was 2015~ They all add up. Level correction is in there somewhere.
(just trying to recall from memory, I'm not going searching)
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By Siren.Bruno 2023-06-21 21:01:19
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2023-06-21 21:35:19
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"He won't recover from this!"

Weapon Bashes for 400 dmg.....
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-06-21 21:39:16
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"THE PAIN IS GLORIOUS!"
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By Ramuh.Austar 2023-06-21 21:54:20
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Shiva.Humpo said: »
That... seems kind of low to me. seeing 1k-1.5k guillotines and rampages seemed pretty normal/standard to me back then.
it wasn't that common, level correction ruined a lot of damage. you could get those numbers on EM (so no correction) and lower more easily, though, with some buffs like LR up. this particular mob here also took extra damage from slashing if I recall right.

For example, this Guillotine set on an average generated EM, but I forced capping attack and accuracy only gets an average 932 damage. Even this might be an overestimate, I don't remember what the mods were at 75 but I used 30% STR and 50% MND here, I could go back and look at really old versions on wiki, though.

ItemSet 391671

Edit: Changing to 25%/25% from 2008 wiki info gives a slightly different set that will average 907 damage.

Asuran was the best WS in situations like that and could reach those numbers more easily.
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-06-21 22:03:05
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Shiva.Humpo said: »
That... seems kind of low to me. seeing 1k-1.5k guillotines and rampages seemed pretty normal/standard to me back then.
it wasn't that common, level correction ruined a lot of damage. you could get those numbers on EM and lower fairly easily, though, with some buffs like LR up. this particular mob here also took extra damage from slashing if I recall right.

Lost of people forget how harsh LCF was to melee damage back then.
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By Asura.Aquatiq 2023-06-22 02:07:32
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Theorycrapping
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-06-22 13:28:37
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Siren.Bruno said: »
these are almost as good as the old role-playing SMN macros.
I also miss the creative uses of auto-translate shouts in jeuno.
<I see> <Shiva> <Jerkin> <Ifrit>
<Backhand Blow> <Job> <can I have it?>

I wonder what that stuff translated into Japanese?
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-06-22 13:32:13
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Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
I'd be curious about what the hell happened with their life to have brought them back here after 17 years lol
the gaming industry went to ***.
wait.. I forgot.. is FFXVI out? i need to go and finally buy a PS5

edit: NVM, not an open world game, pure linear.
SE wtf you doing.
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By Taint 2023-06-22 16:12:43
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Old School Guillotine!



1500 was the ***on endgame mobs lol.
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By Dodik 2023-06-22 16:15:42
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Nevermind the dmg, that cream puff must be real tasty.
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By Nariont 2023-06-22 16:16:46
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Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
the fact that you view 10k as a small number frightens me to ask about the current dmg thresholds the game has right now

I wish we could go back to the days when 10k was impressive, that's basically a 600~700 dmg in the "old days"