Yeah but it has great synergy with Striking and Ternary Flourish which have much lower recasts than Climactic Flourish.
I agree that the longer recast is irrelevant under Grand Pas.
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Asura.Sechs said: » I don't think I would spend a penny on any Bonanza weapon, but who knows what I'd do. I'm sure people would rather pay a few dollars for something they can use instantly without any conditions vs buying a couple of raffle tickets and have to wait a couple of months to be disappointed that they didn't win anything.
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Being disappointed is the FFXI meta
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Only when your bad behavior set Eiryl up for a topic ban.
We all know the true best pick is Judgment Day.
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Bahamut.Zedoma said: » We all know the true best pick is Judgment Day. It is delivery-boxable on the same account ...so there's that, I guess.
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Phoenix.Iocus said: » Only when your bad behavior set Eiryl up for a topic ban. Eiryl was banned? Oh ok What yall having for dinner tonight? Phoenix.Iocus said: » Only when your bad behavior set Eiryl up for a topic ban. Phoenix.Iocus said: » Yeah but it has great synergy with Striking and Ternary Flourish which have much lower recasts than Climactic Flourish. I agree that the longer recast is irrelevant under Grand Pas. Less than you think. Ternary will usually boost the damage by like 30%, but that means you will gain like 13000 damage and use 1sec ja delay for that. With ~10000 DPS, net gain is only 3000 damage per sec, once in 45sec. EDIT: Also Climactic might have twice the delay, but it works for 6 rounds, meaning on one ja delay you will usually boost at least 2 WSs and 4 regular hits and in the ideal situation, even 6WSs.
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Felgarr said: » Lakshmi.Byrth said: » And ghorn is still needed for Macc! So really you guys are saying it is another necessary bard instrument that is useful sometimes. Ghorn only days were simpler times. I really, really wish SE would given the Magian Moogle some "Item Consolidation Trials" ...like let me combine instruments to reclaim inventory space. I don't even want stat boosts, just let me me trade Ghorn and I dunno, Stage 5 horn into 1 instrument for the price of an Umbral Marrow? ...Or perhaps Synergize them into 1 instrument? The side-grade JSE is slowly getting out of hand. Sheesh. some of the instruments should have been song scrolls instead. would love to trade in aeonic flute for permant access to that song.
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Last month during Iron Giant Ambuscade, I partied with a NIN who had the bonanza katana, and had absolutely no idea how to use it. He died within a few minutes because he didn't know how to do the basic function of cancelling shadows and apply lower tier ones when the higher tier was on cooldown. I don't fault people for not knowing things, but this made me sad. That key sequence is burned into my muscle memory for all time. Kids today don't know bout that accidentally cancelling Protect Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Asura.Iamaman said: » I think most players would be better served with Rank 1 giving a full Prime or something the way early iterations of the Bonanza did with REMA weapons. Most players would benefit more from a mythic/ergon R1 prize vs Bonanza weapons. The Bonanza weapons are all overvalued by SE and should probably be in like the Rank 2 category max. By comparison, a Yagrush or Idris is miles more valuable than a Diamond Aspis or Brave Blade, even if they can already be obtained through normal means. Yea, absolutely. I think SE's vision on these is probably a little different than ours, we see a lack of utility and they see something novel. Personally I think something novel that's borderline useless is silly, but they seem to think otherwise. I sincerely doubt they are going to give us ways to earn these weapons ever, but it is a shame they put the effort into the effects and WS for so few people to use them.
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Yeah but you can setup DNC to start with cooled down Flourish 3s because the recast is less than a minute. It's already common practice to pre-presto. This is no different. Anything that has enough prepull to let gleti's and no foot rise do their work would allow for this.
I'm not disagreeing that Naegling would be better, only that this is possible even if extremely improbable. And I'm not looking to change DNC into a sustained DPS outside of it's SPs. I'm sure Naegling would have done that on top of DNC being super bursty since the weapon is unhinged. Phoenix.Iocus said: » I'm not disagreeing that Naegling would be better, only that this is possible even if extremely improbable. And I'm not looking to change DNC into a sustained DPS outside of it's SPs. I'm sure Naegling would have done that on top of DNC being super bursty since the weapon is unhinged. That's a weird statement. Slashing option for DNC is required for odyssey C and Gaol. None of those are SP focused fights for DNC. Also again Climactic works so well for things like Aminon, because it works for up to 6 WSs from one use and boosts the damage of each of them through the roof. With Climactic you can use Grand Pas for Reverse Flurish and you can use other TP gain methods to get TP for additional WSs still using charges of the same Climactic Flourish. Ternary Flourish will wear off after the first WS. I'm pretty sure, that despite Climactic not being ideal for Fast Blade II, it's still overall better than Ternary. What's weird about it? DNC main is box step for piercing encounters or encounters where type doesn't matter. You can pretend ambu h2hs are good, but they aren't. I'm looking at being able to leverage both box steps and slashing damage, when almost all the DDs in the game are slashing.
The difference between doing respectable slashing damage + box step vs no damage + box step is a fairly large departure if type matters. I'm looking to get to PDL as fast as I can and honestly box step + dia 2/3 + 25% defense down or better is a pretty quick way to get there. I'm personally not motivated to pick up a DNC to facilitate that when it's basically a piercing only job and can easily get benched because of it. I think the usefulness of Onion Sword is much more aligned with:
The only non-PLD/Excalibur Fusion option for Sword Avoiding WS wall while still having a good WS (BRD especially, we had BRD doing Fast Blade on Kalunga...) DNC is able to do Slashing damage without being totally useless It's not going to be at all competitive with Naegling, with DNC doing piercing damage, or particularly meta-defining. It's just a nice option to have when you need it. Idk... that fishing pole is pretty dope!
I still stand by Miracle Cheer. Y'all are too front line DD focused! lmao
I agree with Iamaman... it'd be ideal for them to bump these down to atleast rank 2 if they wont budge on making them earnable... its really gross that they took the time to create some really unique items and majorty of them never see the light of day or end up on a mule
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Asura.Dexprozius said: » I still stand by Miracle Cheer. Y'all are too front line DD focused! lmao I agree with Iamaman... it'd be ideal for them to bump these down to atleast rank 2 if they wont budge on making them earnable... its really gross that they took the time to create some really unique items and majorty of them never see the light of day or end up on a mule All the rank 1 weapons should be transferable on that account. Those weapons are great transitions from 119 gear to REMA.
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Ragnarok.Amalle said: » All the rank 1 weapons should be transferable on that account. Those weapons are great transitions from 119 gear to REMA. They could just make it so you could only buy 16 pearls per POL ID, regardless of character. That way the weapons still remain somewhat rare and you don't have a bunch of degenerate mule spam P2W shenanigans. If it were going to happen (it isn't) the extra $15 would be the reason it happened.
Asura.Eiryl said: » If it were going to happen (it isn't) the extra $15 would be the reason it happened. I don't think it would hurt them all that much. There are other reasons people keep mules active, so they might not even notice. Some of the suggestions people have border on asking them to just put them in loot boxes in the POL website. Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Being disappointed is the FFXI meta  Seun said: » Some of the suggestions people have border on asking them to just put them in loot boxes in the POL website. Their current game model is that you just statically aren't going to get one on your main character. Maybe you can get one on an alt and so your prize for 'winning' mog bonanza is that you get to start your gear journey and character progression all over again. At least with loot boxes, people could actually get to use one ever.
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Phoenix.Iocus said: » Their current game model is that you just statically aren't going to get one on your main character. Maybe you can get one on an alt and so your prize for 'winning' mog bonanza is that you get to start your gear journey and character progression all over again. The current game model is a lottery. It's only supposed to be greatly rewarding to a few, so it's doing what it do. The concept of main and mule/alt only exists for prizes that cane be sold or delivered. Otherwise, they really don't bear consideration in 'winning'. Also why loot boxes wouldn't work, along with the whole "You receive ." because you can't obtain dupes. Hot take: These odds might actually be the most generous thing SE has ever done for us. Calculate how many lifetimes it would take you to win R1 if SE was still drawing 5 numbers instead of 3? 32 copies of XI, 31 of those fully unlocked and the last one part full for 45 days? Is this the cost to re-roll a forced Kupon? Because if it is, I'm thinking we probably shouldn't buy out the lottery. Seun said: » 32 copies of XI, 31 of those fully unlocked and the last one part full for 45 days? Is this the cost to re-roll a forced Kupon? Because if it is, I'm thinking we probably shouldn't buy out the lottery. $10 keys during discount campaign come with 30 day free time. Pay an extra $27.95 to activate them for a month to buy marbles when time comes around. 63 * 37.95 = $2,390.85 [If you're going to commit, commit. None of this 2 different marbles pussyfooting, guarantee yourself two weapons so you can be relentlessly accused of cheating by retards who don't understand statistics.] Forgot about the 30 days. That makes it a steal!
Shiva.Thorny said: » [If you're going to commit, commit. None of this 2 different marbles pussyfooting, guarantee yourself two weapons so you can be relentlessly accused of cheating by retards who don't understand statistics.] You're absolutely right. Miracle cheer is that good that I need to have 2 of them. Seriously though, 2 weapons on 1 character is better than 2 in play at the same time? I don't multibox, but it's popular enough that I'd think there was another reason besides the extra cake. Seun said: » Seriously though, 2 weapons on 1 character is better than 2 in play at the same time? I think that the type of person who would be interested in spending this kind of money would rather have a trophy character. There is some consideration for opportunity cost; if you go to all the effort and only get one weapon you can't guarantee yourself another later for that character. In practical terms, none of them are really worth it to that extent and there are limited options to use two at once. Some of the swords might occasionally be worth offhanding? Shiva.Thorny said: » Some of the swords might occasionally be worth offhanding? If I can figure out how to spoof a Kupon into my bazaar selling for 1g with capped gil, I'm buying 3. Maximum stunt onry. Seun said: » Hot take: These odds might actually be the most generous thing SE has ever done for us. Calculate how many lifetimes it would take you to win R1 if SE was still drawing 5 numbers instead of 3? If you don't win on the character you want either way, how is it more generous?
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Phoenix.Iocus said: » If you don't win Increasing the chance to win from 1 in hundreds of thousands to 1 in a few thousand is generous. Matching 3 consecutive digits used to reward 1M gil, a piece of Xarc relic or a Hauteclaire. Maybe a few other things that were just as consolation. We've already established that not all of the prizes transfer. You willingly forfeit any of those prizes when you buy pearls on a mule. You can't sway a lottery with your wallet, you have to force it. |
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