Sortie Release - Info

I didnt know superwarp was updated. Now i dont have to click the crystal and wait 5 seconds for the menu to pop up, amazing.

Brb uninstalling and deactivating because I don't have the talent to make in-game gear sets and hit macros, I just make lua gear sets and...hit..macros.

(Devil's advocate here, I don't actually care one way or the other)

It's actually closer to 8 seconds per warp in time saved with an addon, if what maletaru is saying about 10 seconds being standard. 9-boss is going to use at minimum 26 device warps: 4 bosses upstairs then again to return back down, 4 devices to go in basement then come back up after boss, 4 basement boss warps up and down, and 1 basement warp to aminon and back. This isn't even including warping between basement bosses or starting the rotation (C>B>A, or D>C after Aita), nor am I including the starting warps for individual assignments). You're talking close to 30 warps per Sortie run. 240 seconds? So 4 minutes can be saved if everyone in the group is using a FastCS or something similar. That is not an insignificant amount of time, literally enough time to add in minis or Naaks at the end.

Hard to quantify JA0Wait's contribution, but that also speeds up the process for moving after an action. Anchor etc. I know it all looks like it's just 2 seconds here or there, but it absolutely makes a difference over the course of an hour run. Two things can be true though (they both make a difference), and groups who aren't as seasoned generally won't have the same clear progress/speed even if they do use some tools. You can debate which one makes a greater impact over the course of the run.

Again, 100% don't care nor do I think this needs to be a constant discussion over the course of these threads since they are kind of derailing (and I added to it xD), just 2c

Do you have data to support your 8 sec per warp theory or are you just eye balling and pulling stuff out your ***.

Show me the data bro.

You're not cheating efficiently enough. Auto-run towards the bitzer. While running, type out the command (or make a macro or a shortcut). When you get within range, press enter. Bonus: you don't even need to target it, so if it's surrounded by enemies, you can just pop right out without spending any time *** around trying to menu out before they hit you.

Here's a fun thought experiment from earlier in this thread: you timed out on naakuals without having a chance to open the chest. We're you using fastcs for that run?

If not, and you had (all) been using it. Do you think you would've gotten that chest? If so, then FastCS got you (at least) 1500 muffins and a chance at an old case+1. Let's use this example to talk again about how it doesn't improve results.

Would someone like to explain to me how this doesn't apply to 8 boss runs? Or 6 boss runs? Does the timer work differently depending how many bosses you're clearing?

It takes about 2 seconds to warp up to a bitzer with FastCS or Enternity/whatever activates. If Maletaru is to be believed in that it takes him a full 10 seconds before he can regain movement on vanilla, that is a simple mathematical example.

10-2 = 8

Link your video of you using FastCS in sortie, I'll link mine of vanilla and we can compare the timings.

When I warp using a bitzer it's so fast I go back in time to before I started using the bitzer.

Controller users are built different.

This is exhausting. Can we please go back to actual constructive conversation about sortie?

This isn't the thread to go over the dozens of ways this assertion is incredibly wrong, but if you're interested I could enlighten you through DMs or provide some links back to previous posts where I thoroughly destroyed the notion that playing with GS is the same as playing with equipsets.

Again, people who've been playing with 34 addons for years are horrible judges of how it compares to vanilla gameplay; thanks for providing another glowing example of my point.

Enjoy playing vanilla, bro. You're better than the rest of us.


Back on topic: to the person who's group is taking 10 min to kill NQ aminon, happy to give some tips on ways to save time in the fight.

Yeah if there is a significant difference in time between the first and the last person getting to objectives consistently, that's honestly where all the time goes. The standard Aminon setup is 6/6 movement speed +18% jobs so at least everyone can be in the same boat.

I usually run mage and my SCHs busted Herald Gaiters gets me to the bosses first or second consistently. Maybe a Shneddick could optimize me a little during haunt but none of that matters if I'm still the first person to the next boss.

The gains from JA0 and fastCS are visibly apparent, but qualitatively, they don't matter if that person wasn't going to be slower than the rest of the group. You're only as fast as your slowest person and it's very obviously that racing lines aren't a thing that people naturally understand. It does make me wonder what Sortie plays like in Japan with a good setup, because sometimes it's fine here and sometimes it's still ***.

I tell people use whatever addons you're ok being banned for. I'm not giving up the minimap. Arbitrary, but I'm sure some people feel the same way about all sorts things. I will say that I saw a lot of people getting 72 hour bans in a rip when they started announcing Limbus, so my general stance of do whatever you want, just like that guy with 6 characters clearly exping all day has hardened some. It would be a shame for people to not have their accounts when something new came out.

Edit: Just caught up to where people were currently posting. You can't pull the community card and say why can't we get along when Maletaru's stance is a part of the community. I don't imagine he enjoys listening to sketchy reports that reek of heavy addons usage any more than people don't enjoy him denigrating people's accomplishments. So long as you're paying to keep the servers going, you all have the same weight to your opinion. The highlight of this forum is being able to share your hobby with someone else that is actually interested in it. We all know you can't even talk to normal gamers about this game without it being weird because it's so niche.

People, especially newer people looking for help, play at all levels of addons and proficiency with them. So at least be honest with them even if you don't want to do it with yourself as to how you achieve what you do. Otherwise you're cheating yourself out of an honest conversation because you wanted to try to impress other nerds playing a 20 year old game for self esteem?

Uh oh...I think we're going to get those 2 pages....

Oh no we need an emergency derail


Horizon doesnt have these problems of stale boring content because it only has the peak FFXI content.

Post your DNC Climactic Rotation

Other GEOs -
thoughts on Club for Basement bosses? Been using R15 Magesmasher +1, but curious if anyone uses anything else (R15 Tishtrya, R15 Idris). Losing TP on GEO isn't really a problem since you can gain it back in one cast, but it is slightly annoying losing TP to resummon bubble and then back to your dps club. Wondering if just sticking with Idris is fine enough.

What is your optimal TP range for WSing?

I used to use Wing/Tincture every Aminon, but now I find that I dont have the time to fit it into the pace of the fight. Between ThundaraIII/BlizaraIII/Impact (for TP), Absorb-TP, and Aspir 3(2), the time it takes to pop an item is probably better served just casting something else.

Also, entrust bubbles. These things suck, what do you guys use? I throw up a STR/Precision, but curious if I should just load up on something else, like Slow/Paralyze and slow Aminon a bit down. STR affects everyone in the group a little bit, Precision if you need the acc (most times you have 2 madrigals), so it's kind of a dead buff to me where I just throw anything up just so it's not sitting there.

Yall use Consume Mana on GEO pre-WS?

This comment wins the discussion and nails it on the head for me.

Reminds me of years ago when I was in university and into weightlifting and you'd have fake natty people showing their logs and progress for affirmation. Yes, those results are achievable natural, but will take significantly more time and dedication than that person put forth. Not saying they did not out forth any work... Then when the average "vanilla" weightlifter likely falls short of these created expectations, they begin to think there is something wrong with them.

Presto pre-pull
Box Step 5
Presto
Box Step 10
Frontier Soda
Climactic
Ruthless
Reverse Flourish
Grand Pas
Rudra
Reverse Flourish
Ruthless
Reverse Flourish
Rudra
Trance
Ruthless
Reverse Flourish
Rudra
Super Jump/High Jump/Jump
Presto Quick Step5
Box Step (refresh duration)
Climactic (call for Random Deal here to reset Clim timer)
Ruthless
No Foot Rise/let TP tick up
Rudra
Reverse Flourish
Ruthless
Icarus Wing
Rudra

Opener/burst done. Volte harness if you have it. Refresh frontier soda upon wearing off. Under bolster (@Felgarr) and on NQ aminon, no reason each of the WS above shouldnt be hitting 99,999.

Continue to refresh box with non-presto, and presto+Quick/Stutter/Feather to keep finishing moves maxed out.

After the next climactic, call for Wild Card. By this point bolster should be wearing off or soon to be wearing off. If you get a 5 or 6, you're on your way to a quick Aminon with a second bolster. Repeat the Grand Pas/Trance burst sequence once bolster is back up.


To make this simpler, just use the NoSuck addon, it’ll play the game for you.

I use Cath Palug hammer because I've been lazy about R15ing Magesmasher +1. I typically am aiming to fit my WS in when TP is under control, not necessarily at the earliest possible time. This means I'm often at or close to 3k TP.

I wanted to compare Cath Palug hammer vs. Magesmasher +1 vs. Idris at one point, but I got lost in the grind somewhere when I didn't have either of the other two options. Now I have all 3, and should maybe do that sometime.

I used to try to fit in Consume Mana on geo, but I got stuck a few times with no MP and no refresh afterwards where I was having to use meds to get back on my other rotations, so I've stopped using, but should be ok to start back up.

Highest I've hit on Judgment without consume mana on easy is about 72k. I usually average about 56-58k on a run where bolster doesn't get reset. I usually get between 7 and 9 Judgments in.

I entrust STR and MND depending on resets during the fight. I don't find a need for Precision unless we're in non-optimal situations.

I also don't use -ra Nukes for TP just because I often feel like our TP generation is out of control so I just stick to impacts.

Entrust precision is very important in my opinion. RDM/club is really penalized with acc, the RDM that get high damage is generally due to the geo entrust

Never had the chance to try magemasher, did it but had to make a RDM because he left the game (probably because of running senselessly in hallway for 30 min + each day…for 9NM… would rather the choice of teleportating for 1/2 the time, playing gran turismo on foot is boring and I can’t make my taru skid…), but yeah tish is stronger than idris (both mine are R15) due to on tish the rotation is square absorb thundara3 aspir WS (@2100tp +700 gear), that’s 15 seconds and on repeat indefinitely. Yes the item on GEO is a loss.

Edit: if I recall I used to squeeze 13 WS+ 1-2 miss for 650NQ/550HQ

Nah I've compared this a lot. A vanilla player will lose about 3 seconds to someone using the addon, if the vanilla player is fast in the menu. Enough for the addon player to get about 20-30 yalms ahead per warp.

Damn, I tried to dissipate the energy with random Aminon talk I already know the answers to, hoping to bury that side of the discussion. I really tried yall.

; ;

You say that after writing a 5k word thesis on how it ackshtually takes 10 sec not 2 to use a bitzer.

Should have used some addons, would have made it more effective.

Yeah if buffs are suboptimal, it becomes very clear that RDM has a D in club skill. Unpopular opinion, Imperator isn't THAT bad on RDM with Consume Mana and significantly more accurate if you find yourself missing Black Halo. It also frees up Maxentius for GEO.

Probably not something to consider if you're doing Aminon in 4 minutes, but if your group doesn't have everything ironed out then they might need alternatives so that the fight doesn't drag out significantly longer.

Haha sorry Buukki

That is why I said I haven't felt the need for it unless we're in non-optimal situations. We did a run last night where the stupid cor (it was me) forgot to use Cutting Cards on the brd, so we started the fight without Soul Voice songs.... certainly wanted Precision there.

Is that a vanilla “haha” or it’s a “modified” “haha”? Asking for a friend

Been sensing some real passive-aggressive bro ***from you, for whatever reason, ever since I commented on something Maletaru said, to which I said several times I didn't really care one way or another, but was simply commenting from both sides perspective. You okay?

You were more than welcome to dispute anything I've said with any information you'd like to provide by just having an interaction like a normal person. The moment I responded to your claims that what I was saying was "out of my ***", you immediately started trolling instead of engaging with a reasonable rebuttal. So I ignored you and moved on. Idk if you're still butthurt about something I said (did it touch a nerve?) or what, but either engage it in a discussion or move on. Pergatory and Maletaru did. When asked to move on from the addons discussion, I literally did just that. What are you going on about?

It was probably a "ha-haaaa" that trails off into the Horizon.

I don't know how to post GIFs HAHAHA