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By Asura.Warmoose 2024-06-02 01:06:00
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »Quote: To expand on this, it seems like aminon only gets TP from the specific target of his abilities
Mobs don't get tp from AoE melee swings beyond their primary target. I've gone to bumba on corsair and stood right next to him with the blue mage to keep an entrust bubble effect up. I was taking low but non-zero damage the whole time and it was fine. Having extra people near Mboze on KI1 doesn't make him more spammy. And when my sortie group fights aminon all 5 of the non-tanks are constantly taking hits from him. It never feeds him tp. Absorb tp wouldn't be enough to keep aminon's tp gain at bay if 5 people were feeding him tp EVERY swing he makes. Only the tank needs to maintain stoneskin and get hit for zero in that fight.
It's still a good idea to keep a reasonable defensive idele, but there's no reason the dancer can't throw up an AoE waltz now and again after reverse flourish. It affords them more than enough tp to both waltz and still weaponskill immediately after, and with centovente offhand it won't affect damage output much. I do it all the time when people are getting a bit low to ease the cure burden when our tank is busy with stoneskin recasts.
I only used the word seems because I haven't personally done any tests, but it's pretty much general knowledge at this point I feel like.
As for defensive sets, on DNC I think I'm actually taking net positive MDT due to my idle set. It's not too risky, and honestly haven't ever had to throw out a waltz, although you're right that I probably could.
Idle set is:
ItemSet 395796
Cape is PDT augment/tp cape
so my net MDT is +4 MDT taken
Man I enjoyed the regain from that set, but I felt really squishy. Was in the yellow HP alot, but it was manageable for my PLD
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2024-06-02 07:18:52
Squishy yes but it’s a significant increase in TP gain/WS frequency. Waltz if it gets dicey!
By Taint 2024-06-02 08:01:31
The curing is very manageable for the PLD. Focus on DPS and let him handle the extra curing.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2024-06-02 15:45:41
Is it true that STP+ affects how much TP you get when taking damage? Our dnc swears it does and wears STP+ in slots where theres no regain just for a little extra
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By Asura.Bippin 2024-06-02 15:48:45
Is it true that STP+ affects how much TP you get when taking damage? Our dnc swears it does and wears STP+ in slots where theres no regain just for a little extra Yes
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2024-06-02 17:48:15
Time to adjust my COR and BRD regain sets
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2024-06-03 00:08:41
Is it true that STP+ affects how much TP you get when taking damage? Our dnc swears it does and wears STP+ in slots where theres no regain just for a little extra Yes
Is there any actual evidence or math behind this other than this anecdote on bg wiki?:
I mean great if it's true, I didn't know that, but that comment seems flimsy at best.
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By Asura.Melliny 2024-06-03 08:31:05
It's not hard to test. Just get hit by a mob and note the amount of tp you get per hit. Then add more store tp to your gear set and see how much tp you get.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2024-06-03 14:47:05
It's not hard to test. Just get hit by a mob and note the amount of tp you get per hit. Then add more store tp to your gear set and see how much tp you get.
Thanks captain obvious, do you have a link for any actual testing?
(ie What's the formula? If +100 STP is 1 more TP is even it worth it? etc.)
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2024-06-03 14:51:59
Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello said: »It's not hard to test. Just get hit by a mob and note the amount of tp you get per hit. Then add more store tp to your gear set and see how much tp you get.
Thanks captain obvious, do you have a link for any actual testing?
(ie What's the formula? If +100 STP is 1 more TP is even it worth it? etc.)
Do you have any arguments as to why the accepted standard isn't correct other than "I am too stupid to understand what I'm reading"? Seems to be a trend with you.
Burden of proof lies with you, not the people who already know how it works.
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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2024-06-03 15:07:50
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Do you have any arguments as to why the accepted standard isn't correct other than "I am too stupid to understand what I'm reading"? Seems to be a trend with you.
Burden of proof lies with you, not the people who already know how it works.
There's no Python creation to give him the answers he needs, so gotta go somewhere until an addon is written....
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By Phoenix.Gavroches 2024-06-03 15:23:05
First time I heard of it myself, granted there’s lots of first time for Gav, 3 yr old player here so there’s tons of information I appreciate finding, specially when It come with a side of spicy comments, make the forum a lot more entertaining. Not sure it’s worth making a set as I do not see the where the goal of waiting for TP thru hit, but never the less an interesting mechanic.
By Taint 2024-06-03 15:36:00
It wasn't super important until now where you cheese a mob by not engaging and doing any and everything to gain TP while idle.
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By Phoenix.Gavroches 2024-06-03 16:01:42
Hmmm I get it now…. It wasn't super important until now where you cheese a mob by not engaging and doing any and everything to gain TP while idle.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2024-06-03 17:17:19
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Burden of proof lies with you, not the people who already know how it works.
So I must prove something I wasn't aware existed because the people who claim it's true have no direct evidence to support the assertion they are making other than anecdotes?
Got it.
A normal person would just say it needs to be tested because no one has gotten around to it but here we are.
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By Nariont 2024-06-03 17:29:20
So you got the above, you got this blurb on the TP section
Melee hits: A player gains 1/3rd of the TP that the monster gains. Monsters' TP gain can be calculated the same way a player's is. A rule of thumb is that you gain around 21 TP/hit on normal monsters (Most monsters have 240 Delay, and gain 64 TP per hit). Any Store TP gear/traits affect this the same way it affects melee TP gain (see below). Monsters with Subtle Blow reduce this value similar to how it works for players.
Idk what else you want, if you want exact values on stp in regards to being hit you could just do some testing yourself
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2024-06-03 17:47:04
Idk what else you want, if you want exact values on stp in regards to being hit you could just do some testing yourself
What I wanted was not to waste time testing something that was already tested? That's why I asked if someone had a link. If no one has done it okay, that's the answer. I'll go do it myself if I really want to know. Instead, all I get is rude comments from ignorant people (not you).
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By Asura.Warmoose 2024-06-03 17:48:41
Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello said: »Idk what else you want, if you want exact values on stp in regards to being hit you could just do some testing yourself
What I wanted was not to waste time testing something that was already tested? That's why I asked if someone had a link. If no one has done it okay, that's the answer. I'll go do it myself if I really want to know. Instead, all I get is rude comments from ignorant people (not you).
Haha. This is rich coming from someone who felt he was "rightfully disparaging" someone on another thread.
You just love staying triggered
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By Asura.Warmoose 2024-06-03 17:50:13
You're the text book, can't handle his own medicine person.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-06-03 17:54:50
It wasn't super important until now where you cheese a mob by not engaging and doing any and everything to gain TP while idle.
Blasphemy. You mean to tell me the community that thrives on having fourteen versions of a WS set didn't think about putting loads of STP in their DT sets to optimize TP gain per round? *Audible Gasp*
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By Phoenix.Gavroches 2024-06-03 17:58:25
So basically, Melliny told us earlier (might be pages away at this rhythm) the AoE move from aminon does not give him more TP, only from original target (in this case PLD so 0 hopefully), and because Aminon dmg everyone around (but PLD)the other 5 receive TP because of DMG received (math above). That TP received can be modified using STP gears.
So we got all this information by a comment from some that heard something thru the grapevine, posted here, got made fun off (because why not it’s a forum after all). In that fog, information got thru. That’s pretty neat actually.
Thank you and correct me if I got it wrong.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2024-06-03 18:03:36
You're the text book, can't handle his own medicine person.
9.9/10 of his posts are filled with vitriol and ignorance, second he gets some ***flung back he whimpers and crybullies. Hilarious
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-06-03 18:05:06
Phoenix.Gavroches said: »So basically, Melliny told us earlier (might be pages away at this rhythm) the AoE move from aminon does not give him more TP, only from original target (in this case PLD so 0 hopefully), and because Aminon dmg everyone around (but PLD)the other 5 receive TP because of DMG received (math above). That TP received can be modified using STP gears.
So we got all this information by a comment from some that heard something thru the grapevine, posted here, got made fun off (because why not it’s a forum after all). In that fog, information got thru. That’s pretty neat actually.
Thank you and correct me if I got it wrong.
But Geriond said we were all feeding Mboze too much TP because we were all in range of his moves! You mean he was wrong all this time?????
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By Asura.Warmoose 2024-06-03 18:09:28
Valefor.Prothescar said: »You're the text book, can't handle his own medicine person.
9.9/10 of his posts are filled with vitriol and ignorance, second he gets some ***flung back he whimpers and crybullies. Hilarious
Indeed. It must be interesting to go through life so easily emotionally hijacked.
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By Valefor.Aspens 2024-06-03 19:24:34
got hit by a bee gained 24, used sam roll then gained 35
(from STP 28 to stp 88)
thanks for coming to my ted talk
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-06-03 20:31:44
Random question here, BG wiki says that Store TP I is 10 STP and Store TP III is 20 STP; Does anyone have any testing for this?
I personally think it's 50 STP for Store TP III but I'm not going to waste my time testing it if someone else has already done it.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2024-06-03 20:47:18
had me in the first half ngl
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2024-06-03 21:00:44
got hit by a bee gained 24, used sam roll then gained 35
(from STP 28 to stp 88)
thanks for coming to my ted talk
Waiting for the formula. You know I'm not going to put in the work.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello 2024-06-03 21:12:13
Valefor.Prothescar said: »9.9/10 of his posts are filled with vitriol and ignorance, second he gets some ***flung back he whimpers and crybullies. Hilarious
Fling away? I have zero respect for anyone here so to me it's just hilarious too! I really don't mind at all, so carry on troll!
Is the burden of proof on me to prove that too?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2024-06-03 21:35:11
Tomasello: Flat earther of the FFXI community
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