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August 2022 Version Update
By RadialArcana 2022-08-10 04:58:41
Are you using XIview? did you re-implement the mod after the patch?
If so don't use it till it's been updated.
So is the game black screening for everybody at this point?
I'd just like info about the game being borked, but it's tough to wade through the "BLU BAD!" "COR BAD" "UPDATE BAD!". I mean it always is, but I wanna play FFXI and not read forums.
No, they all work fine for me. I use a ton of mods but not XIview.
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By Leviathan.Nitenichi 2022-08-10 04:59:16
So far, zones reporting being "stuck" in blackscreen are:
Escha-Zitah
Reisenjima
La'Loff Ampitheater
Not gonna update this post, you can post where you were when you got stuck tho I guess
Mhaura, Port San d'Oria and Lower Jeuno
By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:01:05
My favourite job is DRG, which isn't as useful as BLU at all.
You mean one of the best naegling jumpers, in a meta where savage blade reigns high in most zerg strats, and even outside of that they're extremely strong so long as the wyvern buff battery doesnt die, which nowadays is rare unless its charm or death, and if hate is ever a concern you got a 75%~79% hate drop move on a 1:30 timer. DRGs probably in the best shape its been in quite awhile
When did you ever see anyone shout for one though? Really? It's always WAR DRK SAM.
Of those 3 if were strictly talking seg farms DRKs probably the worst, drg can swap to sword and not bat an eye since they get JA haste regardless of weapon type, i wouldnt use pug shouts as an indicator for anything. That's bizarre, because DRK is extremely popular in shout groups and statics from what I have seen. From my experience playing all 3 I would say SAM is probably the worst, but mostly looks good on parse for over-damage.
By RadialArcana 2022-08-10 05:01:06
@blackscreen issue
I assume you're not using that speed loading addon too right, forgot the name..
By Afania 2022-08-10 05:01:17
now if they were STILL in the 75 era with no rostam and no duration buffs, and needed a 3-4 roll rotation for events, they would NOT be invited.
Wrong, you still need chaos roll to cap attack. So Even if chaos is nerfed, it simply means the pt need to stack more than chaos roll to cap attack. It's not an incentive to remove cor in the pt setup.
Removing cor from pt composition in this case means it's harder to cap attack without chaos. Why would anyone remove chaos in a world that attack is harder to cap?
There are multiple ways to make cor less relevant in a pt:
1) greatly reduce pdif cap so attack can be capped without chaos.
2) constant dispel, so chaos is rarely up, to the point that it's useless. But have fun fighting an NM without capped magic haste!
3) remove rolls from the game completely, so
COR needs to compete with 15 other DD job for the slot instead of 0
But nerfing roll duration doesn't do anything. It may reduce cor DPS, but it's not going to make attack buffs less relevant. People will still invite cor to buff attacks even if they do less DPS.
Even if COR gets a DPS nerf and do 5% dmg or less, DDs will just have cor disengage and solo Multi-step SC with chaos roll on. But they'll still get invited.
The only reason they are in 90% of groups is sam's roll.
Wrong again. Chaos roll is the real game changing roll for cor. Sam roll is lot more replaceable because it's far less DPS increase than chaos. unless you are soloing multi step or something.
By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:01:56
Also: No new items for upgrading leads me to think this might be a "wear Emp+1 while killing mobs to upgrade" kind of event. Or earning points or what?
By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:03:07
Also: No new items for upgrading leads me to think this might be a "wear Emp+1 while killing mobs to upgrade" kind of event. Or earning points or what?
Did you even read the notes? Theres both a new currency and new items for ugprading. Where are they in the dat results?
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By Bahamut.Negan 2022-08-10 05:03:43
@blackscreen issue
I assume you're not using that speed loading addon too right, forgot the name.. Unloaded FastCS and PacketFLow, trying now
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By Leviathan.Nitenichi 2022-08-10 05:04:11
@blackscreen issue
I assume you're not using that speed loading addon too right, forgot the name.. Unloaded FastCS and PacketFLow, trying now
I assume you're not using that speed loading addon too right, forgot the name..
No, I said it repaired the XIView files, which not going to add the same broke files back. This is also happening in vanilla.
By Nariont 2022-08-10 05:04:16
From my experience playing all 3 I would say SAM is probably the worst, but mostly looks good on parse for over-damage.
Seg farm is all about being able to swap to what's effective, SAMs probably the best at this since what can't be hybrid WS'd down they can still either fudo down or impulse drive. DRG has polearm options and savage blade, DRKs all slashing or they gotta swap to mace and judgement stuff which isnt horrible but its the least effective of the 3.
By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:07:09
From my experience playing all 3 I would say SAM is probably the worst, but mostly looks good on parse for over-damage.
Seg farm is all about being able to swap to what's effective, SAMs probably the best at this since what can't be hybrid WS'd down they can still either fudo down or impulse drive. DRG has polearm options and savage blade, DRKs all slashing or they gotta swap to mace and judgement stuff which isnt horrible but its the least effective of the 3. Well... it depends on what mobs you get then really. I got a 100% clear yesterday (12700 segments) with WAR SAM but the pure luck of the mob sets (no skeletons) was a factor. If you were to get crabs plus 2 sets of skele, etc. then club DRK is more useful than SAM?
By SimonSes 2022-08-10 05:11:31
When did you ever see anyone shout for one though? Really? It's always WAR DRK SAM. Last time I saw a DRG was in a pick up Sheol C where they did 1k DPS using trishula
DRG is the strongest DD for segments now. /dnc with Naegling/Kraken.
then club DRK is more useful than SAM?
afaik SAM kills skeles easily with Kagero or Koki(?)
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By Afania 2022-08-10 05:12:39
COR can do it all
- Buffs
- Incredibly powerful magical WS (particularly Leaden in the darkness-heavy current endgame content), to the point of being semi-broken good for much of the last few years
- Great melee, especially with Naegling. And come on, it's ridiculous that COR has significantly better Savage Blade gear than the A+ Sword Skill DD job that is supposed to be a master of the weapon type.
- Great ranged damage
BLU was bandwagon YEARS ago, and now still keeps getting shafted on gear when it's far past time for it to get a bit of a boost to catch back up. Just a handful of examples from the Rhapsodies-Present era:
1) BLU got stuck on a Su3 set with... a fast cast piece and a cure potency piece. COR got a set that is still staple Triple Shot gear.
2) For Odyssey (aside from all jobs Nyame), BLU got Gleti's, which is basically only used as (1) gear for a secondary WS (CdC), and (2) idle regain gear. COR got some very solid ranged/WS gear in Ikenga (especially the enm- on a job that sometimes really needs it)
3) BLU got one good Relic +3 piece (WSD/nuke legs), COR got incredible pieces for feet, body, hands.
4) BLU got a nearly useless Su5 weapon, COR got an Su5 so good that all three paths are worthy choices.
5) BLU got a rather unimpressive Aeonic, COR got one that's very good.
It's not about "LOL both got on Malignance and Nyame and some of COR's good gear is old." Lots of jobs are still using gear from several years ago. COR has ALL of the advantages though, and it's a little sad to see BLUs who have been starving for impressive DD gear on its JSE/non-all jobs sets wait for literal years for the release of this set and get uninspiring gear stats.
Cor's advantage barely has much to do with gears was my point. If BLU has leaden salute, it'll probably do equal or more dmg than cor spamming leaden salute with much stronger melee JAs. The problem here isn't gears, but certain WS or game mechanics just works that way, and cor happened to have it.
So if the core problem isn't gears, but game mechanics, why is everybody complaining about gears when they should be complaining the game mechanics?
That's the main point of my post. I am not defending for cor nor saying it's not popular. I'm saying you complained about the wrong thing.
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By Churanira 2022-08-10 05:12:54
i can vouch for Nite, i cannot log in via vanilla/windower/ashita, and a char got stuck zoning into la'loff in vanilla.
By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:13:18
When did you ever see anyone shout for one though? Really? It's always WAR DRK SAM. Last time I saw a DRG was in a pick up Sheol C where they did 1k DPS using trishula
DRG is the strongest DD for segments now. /dnc with Naegling/Kraken. This is fine to write on a forum, and this is EXACTLY what I am saying here. On paper does not translate to in-game actual use. How many of you genuinely use a DRG in your static, or for anything other than maybe Bumba? Which can be done with a SB DRK in place.
By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:14:07
then club DRK is more useful than SAM?
afaik SAM kills skeles easily with Koki. With 5/5 R25 Nyami? Prior to that? :(
By Nariont 2022-08-10 05:15:07
If you were to get crabs plus 2 sets of skele, etc. then club DRK is more useful than SAM?
crabs can just swap to SO and impulse without a care, skels iirc you can jinpu or kagero/koki and still do fine since while you're eating the slashing hit the magic side will carry specially now with nyame's silly boost to hybrids, could be wrong there.
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By Asura.Essylt 2022-08-10 05:15:48
If you were to get crabs plus 2 sets of skele, etc. then club DRK is more useful than SAM? Not really. if your other DD is a WAR.
Our group normally gets 13-14k segs per C run, regardless of mob composition and we run SAM and WAR as DDs.
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By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:16:33
If you were to get crabs plus 2 sets of skele, etc. then club DRK is more useful than SAM? Not really. if your other DD is a WAR.
Our group normally gets 13-14k segs per C run, regardless of mob composition and we run SAM and WAR as DDs. But DRG is the #1 DD on paper, why don't you use a DRG???
By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:18:01
If "SAM is fine when using 5/5 Nyami R25 to farm segments, which are used to get Nyami R25" I feel it kinda misses the point. You are using the very gear you need to do the event to farm, to make it the best DD for the content you then already have the gear for (obviously only the first set, I understand there are more you would still need to farm segments for).
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By Asura.Essylt 2022-08-10 05:18:42
But DRG is the #1 DD on paper, why don't you use a DRG??? We did once. He wiped us on a red dragon dahak pack because his kclub was feeding too much TP and he couldn't finish one off before nullsong.
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By SimonSes 2022-08-10 05:19:31
This is fine to write on a forum, and this is EXACTLY what I am saying here. On paper does not translate to in-game actual use. How many of you genuinely use a DRG in your static, or for anything other than maybe Bumba? Which can be done with a SB DRK in place.
I full time DRG in our static segments runs and Im talking from in game experience. DRG/dnc Naelging/Kraken is stupidly OP. 70-80k (1500TP+, which is usually 2 rounds) Savage with crazy TP gain and Spirit/Soul jumps giving 1500-3000TP. Circle works for puks/Wyverns/Wyrm/Dahaks (Savage goes up to 90k+ then). You can one shot Flans and Wamouracampa too.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2022-08-10 05:19:42
My god blm gear is in *** shambles think that pretty much nail in coffin for the job. Sad
By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:20:24
But DRG is the #1 DD on paper, why don't you use a DRG??? We did once. He wiped us on a red dragon pack because his kclub was feeding too much TP and he couldn't finish one off before nullsong. BUT ON PAPER IT IS THE BEST DRG THEREFORE EVERYONE USES A DRG 100% ALWAYS FOR ALL CONTENT
except this never happens in reality
By Nariont 2022-08-10 05:22:37
You don't need r25 nyame, nin/sam both were wrecking stuff with hybrids when r20 was the top, 25 just makes it even better, nyame comes packed with everything hybrid WS could ever want its downright silly
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2022-08-10 05:22:55
But DRG is the #1 DD on paper, why don't you use a DRG??? We did once. He wiped us on a red dragon pack because his kclub was feeding too much TP and he couldn't finish one off before nullsong. BUT ON PAPER IT IS THE BEST DRG THEREFORE EVERYONE USES A DRG 100% ALWAYS FOR ALL CONTENT
except this never happens in reality This depends on your server tbh idk what you talking about but drg is used on bahamut well good drgs are anyway. Drg isn't like war where you roll face on keyboard and get good dps though maybe that's the problem?
By IGDC 2022-08-10 05:23:41
Afania, youre completely missing the points. I'm not saying blu should replace cor or that cor should be nerfed or anything like that.
Cor has gotten updates, HUGE updates in ALL aspects of their play.
Blu has not.
Giving blu an update to actually be able to play it in endgame (duration, aoe buffs more than once every 10 mins, hell we can only burst our elemental damage with a damn affinity >_>) would allow it to effectively join groups. (We could cap haste in a group then too)
As the hybrid job that it is, it lacks all aspects that any other unique ability job has since it's never had an update for it.
The only time people bandwagoned the job (afaik) is HTBF spams?
By SimonSes 2022-08-10 05:26:02
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »But DRG is the #1 DD on paper, why don't you use a DRG??? We did once. He wiped us on a red dragon pack because his kclub was feeding too much TP and he couldn't finish one off before nullsong. BUT ON PAPER IT IS THE BEST DRG THEREFORE EVERYONE USES A DRG 100% ALWAYS FOR ALL CONTENT
except this never happens in reality This depends on your server tbh idk what you talking about but drg is used on bahamut well good drgs are anyway. Drg isn't like war where you roll face on keyboard and get good dps though maybe that's the problem?
It's exactly like that in segments tho :D Spirit link is used once on start only usually, because Wyvern rarely needs heal during entire run (sometimes I do it once per 10 min). I use Naegling for almost everything beside Lamia and aquans. You pretty much use one WS and 2 jumps. It's super easy.
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