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April 2022 Version Update
By SimonSes 2022-04-04 09:10:38
So Shinryu HTBF is officially a relic. Dead content. Absolutely zero point in doing that nonsense unless someone is mercing it for you. Because you can just buy orbs or level mules w/e and spam Trove for knife/cloak way before you might ever see on in Shinryu (including time it takes to keep refarming merits). That is not the right way to address poor drop rates. I loathe the way they lazily throw these drops into a lottery system like this, but the actual content it comes from becomes completely worthless.
Good luck with that. While getting something good from Aman might be at okish rate, targetting something specific now with so many items in loud thud pull is just insane. You could throw 1 billion on orbs and never see the item. Unless you simply agree with someone to just buy knife for like 200M IF it drops for him.
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-04-04 09:12:27
There being a ton of items now doesn't mean that the chances of each specific "good" item are that much worse than before unless you're assuming that each individual shard/void is comparable in drop rate to equipment.
Also keep in mind that Loud Thuds are easier to get now with the new mechanics.
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-04-04 09:12:51
Doing 220 shards and voids was a *** move on purpose, just like everything else. The dilution is always on purpose. They don't want it any other way.
And I completely get that. But it should not be defended by players at all, because some servers may have trouble finding shards. Maybe if Dynamis wasn't ***to begin with? Throw them in as ambuscade rewards. I mean literally anything but put it in a lottery system.
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-04-04 09:15:08
You could throw 1 billion on orbs and never see the item. Unless you simply agree with someone to just buy knife for like 200M IF it drops for him.
That's exactly what you will do now. You won't waste time farming Shinryu anymore. You may use your own orbs/mules to farm shinryu drops in the meantime. But you will absolutely make an agreemenet beforehand with someone or shout to buy shinryu drops from someone who gets lucky and sees one. Because that time saved is worth more.
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-04-04 09:21:20
Also keep in mind that Loud Thuds are easier to get now with the new mechanics.
I get that, but we're also talking about at least 308 new possible drops.
Even with slightly more frequent loud thuds that's still a noticeably larger pool :-/
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2022-04-04 09:22:29
Couldn't you already do that thanks to shinryu having a lobby anyone can get into?
What was the strat to kill the mimic? I think it might be worth killing that *** before shard prices enter freefall?
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By Bahamut.Suph 2022-04-04 09:30:09
Traded him a used Mars orb and got this
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By Siren.Vanian 2022-04-04 09:30:33
Dynamics shards must be thud or loud Thud then as I've just had a regal glove, rdm head, whm body, blu card, and eschite legs with only 1 loud Thud and 3 or 4 thuds
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-04-04 09:30:37
Quetzalcoatl.Khajit said: »Couldn't you already do that thanks to shinryu having a lobby anyone can get into?
Of course you could, but the drop rate on Shinryu items you want is so bad, nobody was wasting their time, plus you can only do like 2-3 at a time if someone is farming them for you. In less than a day you have seen several confirmed reports of shinryu items from Orbs, and they can be done an unlimited amount of times based on orb supply. It's a no brainer now. Everyone doing trove, way more chances to get shinryu items than you ever did from shinryu2
Quetzalcoatl.Khajit said: »What was the strat to kill the mimic? I think it might be worth killing that *** before shard prices enter freefall?
SAM WHM BRD
all 3 reraise at start (not hymnus)
Need 3 extra RR items (or can sub whm for spell)
Ka-Thwack eats first RR
SAM does Light or Darknes skillchain based on whichever mode it's in
WHM heals
BRD has to lullaby Death or SAM will die
Every 25% the Mimic will Ka-Thwack, you need to re-apply new Reraise
Repeat process until dead
You could probably use death resist+ gear and bring GEO for attunement/vex, if the Mimic isn't immune to Geomancy. but I wouldn't depend on it. BRD can lullaby every death cast, it takes like 2-3 seconds to go off, so you have time to react (probably more with Nocture).
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By Lakshmi.Cesil 2022-04-04 09:31:54
I'm curious if the WSD ring still drops from here, I'll try my orbs later on today! I've got a ton saved up :)
By SimonSes 2022-04-04 09:33:00
Better view :)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2022-04-04 09:33:42
Quetzalcoatl.Khajit said: »Couldn't you already do that thanks to shinryu having a lobby anyone can get into?
Of course you could, but the drop rate on Shinryu items you want is so bad, nobody was wasting their time, plus you can only do like 2-3 at a time if someone is farming them for you. In less than a day you have seen several confirmed reports of shinryu items from Orbs, and they can be done an unlimited amount of times based on orb supply. It's a no brainer now. Everyone doing trove, way more chances to get shinryu items than you ever did from shinryu2 Correction. You only have 2-3 at a time. The rmt selling it to you on the other hand are perfectly capable of just taking your gil in advance and running the shinryu bot until it drops while you sit afk with treasury set to lot the knife.
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-04-04 09:35:39
Of course you could, but the drop rate on Shinryu items you want is so bad, nobody was wasting their time, plus you can only do like 2-3 at a time if someone is farming them for you. In less than a day you have seen several confirmed reports of shinryu items from Orbs, and they can be done an unlimited amount of times based on orb supply. It's a no brainer now. Everyone doing trove, way more chances to get shinryu items than you ever did from shinryu2
>.>
By Shichishito 2022-04-04 09:35:46
how do ppl sell orbs? if you invite buyers and take them in you risk them disbanding and opening mid chest?
if you fill inventory 80/80 so drops stay in loot pool you're under time pressure and risk losing full pool if you overlook time. can you even use /yell within the exit zone?
so ideally you'll want to run 1 multibox for this?
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-04-04 09:36:25
I mean, if you trust an RMT to take your gil in advance for an item that almost never drops, have at it.
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-04-04 09:36:55
To make it viable you pretty much need a mule
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By Cerberus.Goldenfoon 2022-04-04 09:36:56
So is there really any difference between Venus and Mars Orbs? I have stockpiled a bunch of vouchers and I am wondering which would be better to spam now after the update. Thanks!
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-04-04 09:39:02
Of course you could, but the drop rate on Shinryu items you want is so bad, nobody was wasting their time, plus you can only do like 2-3 at a time if someone is farming them for you. In less than a day you have seen several confirmed reports of shinryu items from Orbs, and they can be done an unlimited amount of times based on orb supply. It's a no brainer now. Everyone doing trove, way more chances to get shinryu items than you ever did from shinryu2
>.>
Nearly nobody.
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-04-04 09:39:04
Also keep in mind that Loud Thuds are easier to get now with the new mechanics.
I get that, but we're also talking about at least 308 new possible drops.
Even with slightly more frequent loud thuds that's still a noticeably larger pool :-/ The total number of added drops means nothing by itself since they're not of equal rates. The 220 void items combined seem to be only somewhat more common than other good items.
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-04-04 09:40:20
Of course you could, but the drop rate on Shinryu items you want is so bad, nobody was wasting their time, plus you can only do like 2-3 at a time if someone is farming them for you. In less than a day you have seen several confirmed reports of shinryu items from Orbs, and they can be done an unlimited amount of times based on orb supply. It's a no brainer now. Everyone doing trove, way more chances to get shinryu items than you ever did from shinryu2
>.>
Nearly nobody. Nearly nobody is selling, but dozens of people are lining up to buy weapons/armor, and hundreds for accessories. It's not really a time sink for the buyers since they don't actually have to do anything but be ready to run to zone on drop.
The chances of actually buying a weapon/armor drop is low, but all they have to do is wait, just like with buying from AMAN.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2022-04-04 09:41:16
Also keep in mind that Loud Thuds are easier to get now with the new mechanics.
I get that, but we're also talking about at least 308 new possible drops.
Even with slightly more frequent loud thuds that's still a noticeably larger pool :-/ The total number of added drops means nothing by itself since they're not of equal rates. The 220 void items combined seem to be only somewhat more common than other good items.
Every screenshot so far has had Voids in it lol. Some multiple. (or a paragon card)
By GwenStacy 2022-04-04 09:42:54
I got rainbow chest and got a Ashera Harness and Dagon in one run.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2022-04-04 09:44:09
I mean, if you trust an RMT to take your gil in advance for an item that almost never drops, have at it. I don't buy from rmt, but you're already doing that every time you pay before getting the invite (or drop) to any service they provide.
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-04-04 09:44:35
Also keep in mind that Loud Thuds are easier to get now with the new mechanics.
I get that, but we're also talking about at least 308 new possible drops.
Even with slightly more frequent loud thuds that's still a noticeably larger pool :-/ The total number of added drops means nothing by itself since they're not of equal rates. The 220 void items combined seem to be only somewhat more common than other good items.
Every screenshot so far has had Voids in it lol. Some multiple. There are a number of screenshots posted without them in it. Someone also posted both Ashera and a handshard from a single Loud Thud, implying that shards can come from Thuds and not just Loud Thuds.
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By Odin.Lusiphur 2022-04-04 09:47:34
Greyson gave me a Copper voucher for a Venus.
Edit: Also got one from a Mars.
By SimonSes 2022-04-04 10:01:05
There are a number of screenshots posted without them in it. Someone also posted both Ashera and a handshard from a single Loud Thud, implying that shards can come from Thuds and not just Loud Thuds.
shards from wave 1 are thuds, voidshards are loud.
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By Lakshmi.Avereith 2022-04-04 10:11:53
I don't see the VR topic around, so did anyone get the ifrits KI yet? is it just from a mining point or is there something special to do?
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By Carbuncle.Verina 2022-04-04 10:12:53
What are these new chest mechanics being discussed?
Is it easier to do multiple chests now?
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By Carbuncle.Rajang 2022-04-04 10:21:01
I don't see the VR topic around, so did anyone get the ifrits KI yet? is it just from a mining point or is there something special to do?
After the cutscene with Rahal, I didn't do anything special but I managed to get the key item within three or four pickaxes. There probably isn't any sort of special requirement.
By keokothelesser 2022-04-04 10:21:38
I got a fresh Venus when trading in a cracked venus.
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