Destiny's Device - A New/Updated Rune Fencer Guide

Assuming buffs/debuffs to support it (which obviously isn't going to be the case in a lot of situations you would want to play run)

R15 lionheart + reso is still top dog in terms of DPS by a good amount with new gear options (sworn/hoxne)

Prime Reso not that far behind with warcry/lvl3 aftermath at least, fimbulvetr a bit behind.

R15 epeo in this super buffed zerg scenario is a good deal behind both prime and lionheart in terms of DPS, Only really shines when you need it to survive something while you're also dealing damage or you're fairly underbuffed (which to be fair is what is usually the case when you're on run)

Kind of up there with the heavy DDs with warcry/hoxne (good bit below without warcry) outside of 1hrs, but 1hrs + some JA windows go far above what run can do.

It was back in the day. We used to bring RUN in place of traditional DDs and just bounced hate off each other, while taking minimal damage in between. A simple SCH Regen V took care of all healing for short zergs, along with Battuta, OFA, Valiance (RD resets etc), Odyllic/Sforzo being in the mix. You could basically crip walk through practically any bosses during Omen/Escha/Reisenjima HELM/Early Ambu V1 era.

The issue with RUN DD in recent years is that (1) the DD gear didn't age well for the job (Agwu's is magic gear, JSE3 is not DPS-focused, RUN got nothing after Omen), (2) Geomancy started getting nerfed so capping attack became harder. This had an effect on Resolution even harder because it already suffers from attack penalty. (3) PLD became a hybrid tank~healer job with Majesty, so you combined two roles into one, and (4) DD gear got way better and tankier (i.e. Sakpata's is disgusting). The only time you use RUN now is for magic-focused fights, but RUN was always a great hybrid DD job to bring to stuff. It just never had the gear to support that role anymore.

Now, the Sworn set is chocked full of Magic Evasion and defensive traits with amazing DD stats along with it. I could see 2 DD RUN basically taking on the role of DDs in a Sortie 8B group, for example, and the same scenario plays out with minimal necessary healing.

I'm not saying RUN takes the spot of DRK or DRG or whatever, but there was a time where it definitely did because it could moonwalk through enfeebles and damage with little fear of death, while DDing similarly to other 2 handers. They fell off for a bit, but Sworn looks quite good for what RUN once had, especially with Temper or Hoxne now. It's a busted set from what I can see at R30.

Minor note but it also got left behind with PDL, which was the other way devs seperated the roles out. Has some trouble long term as a DD too as you either full-time hasso as /sam and lose the atk perks along with the casting debuff, or have 2 mins of downtime with LR

I personally just see it as sakpatas for RUN, just with 100x the work to get it to that level, very welcome to have but man thats a slog to get it useable

They had to add the work required to get it to Sakpata level or Sakpata would be replaced almost instantly. They gave the best stats of Sakpata's gear on the base and then augments enhanced it further. Moogle Amplifiers also drastically sped up the Odyssey rank up process, they threw the players a bone with that. If they never introduced that system and the only RP you could get was from beating/damaging bosses, it would take forever to R30 every single Sakpata's piece. The slog would probably be even worse, once you start factoring in wipes and amount of Segments you require to attempt that many fights. They learned their lesson with Limbus sets by not making them easy to breeze through and finish.

Wouldn't say I'm savvy, but ran the numbers with absolute best case buffs (5 SV songs ((Herc etude)), Crooked lucky Chaos, Bolster, Entrust-STR, etc.,) and unatainable R10 Hoxne earring. Just interested in what absolute best possible outcome looks like between the two. Accounted for +750 TP bonus in the Lionheart build, so set WS TP @1250, and @1750 for Helheim/Fimb.

ItemSet 402164
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Total time: 2.0 h
Time/Attack: 1.437 s
Average Dmg/Attack: 5172.0
Physical: 5172.0 (100.0%)
Magical: 0.0 ( 0.0%)
Average Dmg/WS: 59976.8
Average TP/WS: 1656 TP (+750 TP Bonus)
Total Damage: 103.3M damage (Total DPS: 14332.5)
TP Damage: 15.4M damage (TP DPS: 2135.8; 14.9%)
WS Damage: 87.9M damage (WS DPS: 12196.7; 85.1%)
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ItemSet 402163
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Total time: 2.0 h
Time/Attack: 1.437 s
Average Dmg/Attack: 5118.4
Physical: 5118.4 (100.0%)
Magical: 0.0 ( 0.0%)
Average Dmg/WS: 66237.1
Average TP/WS: 2094 TP (+250 TP Bonus)
Total Damage: 94.2M damage (Total DPS: 13080.1)
TP Damage: 17.4M damage (TP DPS: 2415.4; 18.5%)
WS Damage: 76.8M damage (WS DPS: 10664.6; 81.5%)
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Ummm something isn't mathing here.

Lionheart has higher avg white damage...how?

What TP set did they use? Same one I'm guessing. Wonder how the attack and TP gain rates are the same when lionheart has much higher delay.

Had to reset my PC, so I don't have it up, I'll rerun them and screenshot each TP/WS set and post for accountability. Give me a few.

Pretty sure you left prime equipped on the TP set when you swapped to lionheart reso set and ran dps which is why its listing higher dmg/hit.

It's quite possible, I probably shouldn't be doing this at 11pm after donating blood and just finishing leg day at the gym, but I don't make good decisions, and you all will pay for it.

Lionheart TP and Reso builds:



Best "Time to WS" "Melee TP set" set
Best "Damage Dealt" "Resolution" set
Total time: 2.0 h
Time/Attack: 1.600 s
Average Dmg/Attack: 3271.6
Physical: 3271.6 (100.0%)
Magical: 0.0 ( 0.0%)
Average Dmg/WS: 54374.3
Average TP/WS: 1509 TP (+750 TP Bonus)
Total Damage: 88.3M damage (Total DPS: 12258.4)
TP Damage: 8.7M damage (TP DPS: 1214.1; 9.9%)
WS Damage: 79.5M damage (WS DPS: 11044.3; 90.1%)


Helheim TP and Fimb builds:



Best "Time to WS" "Melee TP set" set

Best "Damage Dealt" "Fimbulvetr" set

Total time: 2.0 h
Time/Attack: 1.437 s
Average Dmg/Attack: 4591.5
Physical: 4591.5 (100.0%)
Magical: 0.0 ( 0.0%)
Average Dmg/WS: 66635.0
Average TP/WS: 2159 TP (+250 TP Bonus)
Total Damage: 86.4M damage (Total DPS: 11993.0)
TP Damage: 16.3M damage (TP DPS: 2262.6; 18.9%)
WS Damage: 70.1M damage (WS DPS: 9730.5; 81.1%)


- You were absolutely correct, I noticed it rerunning the sim. I think it's all cleaned up now though, but LMK if I screwed something else up.

If you guys come to a conclusion on what sets are optimal for TP + WS sets I'll add them to the front page, I haven't had a ton of time to run the gear through sims myself and test different stuff. I'll likely add a separate set for like dream TP set etc. Appreciate the discussion it was on my next todo list, interesting to see how good this gear makes DD RUN again. o7

So...If spamming then maybe lion is marginally better. If you're able to SC then helmheim will absolutely wreck lion.

Not terribly surprised?

Minor nitpick: Why use a VIT WSD cape for Fimbu, particularly on RUN? Moar tanky while WSing, since equal mods?

Raw damage would still be better with STR though, yeah? Gotta get the fSTR pumped. All the other Gsword WSes(not you Dimi) use STR too.

Sketchy!

I was pretty hands off with curating the sets other than manually swapping out Gelatinous with Niqmaddu and a quick WS test showed slightly better numbers. I'm sure a STR cape would be better dmg as well, but this is what the sim chose after running.

Wiki has Fimb at 60% STR/VIT, and fSTR should carry if the numbers are the same. I see why it went Gelatinous +1 for the 15 VIT, but 10 VIT and 10 STR (plus quad proc) on Niqmaddu is clearly going to net better results for Fimbulvetr specifically.

Just sim things I guess!

I ran fresh sims today with more realistic buffs.


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ItemSet 402175
PDT:-22, MDT:-50
Avg WS Time = 4.796s
Avg TP per round = 539.2 TP
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ItemSet 402176
PDT:-50, MDT:-50
Avg WS Time = 5.021 s
Avg TP per round = 515.0 TP
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ItemSet 402177
Avg Damage = 51737.7 damage
Avg TP return = 202.8 TP
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ItemSet 402178
PDT:-16, MDT:-45
Avg WS Time = 3.489s
Avg TP per round = 596.1 TP
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ItemSet 402181
Current best set: PDT:-50, MDT:-50
Avg WS Time = 3.642s
Avg TP per round = 571.1 TP
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ItemSet 402179
Avg Damage = 44083.2 damage
Avg TP return = 338.8 TP

Why double march with haste 2?

What's the sim say if you use another Moonlight Ring or Chirich+1 instead of Lehko's, the Alabaster Earring R30, and then for WS you slot in that sweet Ephramad's Ring :D?

Cause it was the default lol, but I can add another attack song and Herc Etude and rerun them ^^;


Let's see...

Yesssss, work for us Mr. Beastwood!

Updated Toggles:


Lionheart Glass Cannon TP w/o Lehko's/Alabaster:
PDT:-7, MDT:-36
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Best "Time to WS" "Melee TP set" set
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main Lionheart R15
sub Alber Strap
ranged Empty
ammo Coiste Bodhar R30
head Sworn Crown R30
neck Anu Torque
ear1 Sherida Earring
ear2 Dedition Earring
body Turms Harness +1
hands Adhemar Wristbands +1 C
ring1 Niqmaddu Ring
ring2 Epona's Ring
back Null Shawl
waist Ioskeha Belt +1
legs Samnuha Tights
feet Carmine Greaves +1 R15B

Avg WS Time = 3.530 s
Avg TP per round = 589.2 TP
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Looks like it favored the MA of Niqmaddu over the STP of Moon/Chirich.


Dream Resolution w/Ephramad option:
Current best set: PDT:-48, MDT:-50
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Best "Damage Dealt" "Resolution" set
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main Lionheart R15
sub Utu Grip
ranged Empty
ammo Crepuscular Pebble
head Sworn Crown R30
neck Fotia Gorget
ear1 Moonshade Earring
ear2 Sherida Earring
body Sworn Platemail R30
hands Sworn Gauntlets R30
ring1 Niqmaddu Ring
ring2 Sroda Ring
back Ogma's cape STR DA
waist Fotia Belt
legs Nyame Flanchard R25B
feet Sworn Sabatons R30

Avg Damage = 47710.1 damage
Avg TP return = 332.6 TP

If you really wanna see Ephramad's in there, which ring you wanna get rid of, Niqmaddu or Sroda?

Sroda, it disgusts me!

Lol!

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Best "Damage Dealt" "Resolution" set
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main Lionheart R15
sub Utu Grip
ranged Empty
ammo Crepuscular Pebble
head Sworn Crown R30
neck Fotia Gorget
ear1 Sherida Earring
ear2 Moonshade Earring
body Sworn Platemail R30
hands Sworn Gauntlets R30
ring1 Niqmaddu Ring
ring2 Ephramad's ring
back Ogma's cape STR DA
waist Fotia Belt
legs Nyame Flanchard R25B
feet Sworn Sabatons R30

Avg Damage = 50700.6 damage
Avg TP return = 332.6 TP

Solid 3-4k increase on average WS dmg on several iterations swapping Sroda for Ephramad.

Helheim does have the benefit of its ideal WS set being more defensive than Lionheart's non-Sworn WS set. I believe a mix of Adhemar/Herculean/Samnuha is RUN's best non-Sworn Reso gear, which of course you very likely wouldn't be using at the risk of death and instead opt to Reso in Nyame at the cost of damage loss for a few years until you rank up Sworn. I think it's more realistic to compare Nyame Fimbulvetr vs Nyame Reso.

But but.. the sim... says....

Oh I don't disagree, in practical application anyway. Anyone with Sworn armor and Helheim S4/S5 and Lionheart R15 shouldn't have be told not to use Adhemar in dangerous content. I did put a disclaimer in the very beginning of my posts though:


It's up to you what you do with that information :)

All hail the Hypnosim!

hi, why is Hoxne torque is not used for enhancing skill set?

Slowly working on updating sets to account for Hoxne and new Limbus gear, just hard to find a ton of time with Sortie and Limbus eating up majority of my free time. apologies, it'll get done.

sird set that doesn't use Magnetic Earring ^^?

This is the set I use:

ItemSet 402306

Can replace Magnetic Earring with Halasz Earring, will put you at 104% SirD (with 5 SirD merits of course) and that's ~2% above what's necessary.


This set also caps DT.
Second earring is there for the HP+, I should probably replace it with Alabaster now that I have it, which also grants me 5% more DT meaning I could swap some other pieces probably.
10% SIRD aug on cape and R15 on Neck, of course.