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By Dodik 2025-10-09 05:50:08
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Normal big guy wearing high-heels (now you can't unsee it) just takes 25% more dmg than hard guy.

That is all.

Whatever your WS avg is on HM, multiply by 1.25.
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By Asura.Sechs 2025-10-09 05:58:06
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So that means a good group kills HM Aminon in under 7mins, wow that's impressive! :-o
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2025-10-09 07:56:24
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Asura.Sechs said: »
I've only ever fought HM Aminon so I was wondering, what's the difference between them? Evasion? Defense? HP? What?

I know the very very good killing times for normal Aminon are what, under 5 mins? With an average of probably 6,5 mins?
How slow was your slowest normal Aminon?

And so I can compare, how long do you usually take to kill HM Aminon?
My group is pretty solid but also pretty slow on HM Aminon.

So far our best Aminon was ~ 4:22 from flash to death. We average ~450-5:20 depending on rolls and resets

Hard mode generally adds a minute. I know specifically because we've been doing Hard mode since Sept 26th thru all of October, and we log Every kills DPS/Time to kill/ rolls/ galli earned, etc.

I'm seeing as low as 5:30 and as high as 7, with an average in the 5:45-6:15 range

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I'll say... I've yet to have like a perfect Aminon happen. Double 11's are extremely rare (We dont hold up the run to stand around and force it, we pull and roll while pulling, you get what you get), and when you're generating that much TP so fast, every has to be really dialed in to coordinate drains of it falls apart and you have to tell people to stop or slow down.

Typically the GEO pops bolster once the 5th song goes down after the pally has ran to the corner (we dont use Anchor). None of use use Tinctures anymore... so theres a minor loss there, but maintaining them daily was just too much of a chore. Theres also whether or not people's prishe boots are up or not, and whether people can weave in a volte harness in a timely manner, whether the PLD gets debuffed and can keep 3k tp from Ghatjot for a fat savage before switching to excal.. whether the DNC gets all resets on each random deal, whether the RDM was able to land gravity on Aita with JUST spontaneity and not burn chainspell... all these little nuances add up to time save.

I havnt seen all the stars align, and on our best runs typically Aminon is at around 10% or less when bolster falls off. We have the BRD savage, not mordant. GEO is on lorg mor 5 using judgment. Typically DNC is ~2m, COR ~1m, RDM ~900k, BRD ~750k, GEO ~550k, PLD~350k. These are rough estimations and they all vary around depending on who came to play that day haha
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By Dodik 2025-10-09 07:58:21
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Dex cracking that whip like Indiana Jones after a bad night out.

Gotta be pumping a lot of TP into him to get kill times that low.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2025-10-09 08:05:24
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Dodik said: »
Dex cracking that whip like Indiana Jones after a bad night out.

Gotta be pumping a lot of TP into him to get kill times that low.

Hahaha, Literally on the mic, i call out EVERY single drain and identify to the team to slow down or to keep going, and ask when people are slow on them. As long as i'm seeing under 300 drains i'm happy to push hard, and I call for slow down or pause at 350 range. 400-420 is danger zone and if you're unlucky after seeing anything 400+ he could pop.

It's good to know that outside of the petrify, its not too bad to recover from a pop, especially if you have the seal.

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Here's our little custom report from the other day. I removed everyone elses names just because... (Also the formatting didnt translate well pasted here... sorry about that)

[Sortie Report - Wed Oct 8 03:14:02 2025]
Total Gallimaufry: 92,104
Total Old Case +1: 1
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[Defeated Bosses]
Ghatjot
Leshonn
Skomora
Degei
Dhartok
Gartell
Triboulex
Aminon
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[Completed Bonus Objectives]
Ground floor Aurum Chest
Botulus
Naraka
Flans
Naakual sets defeated: 1
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[Party Composition]
PLD (PLD99/RUN58)
GEO (GEO99/DRK58)
COR (COR99/DRK57)
DNC (DNC99/DRG58)
RDM (RDM99/DRK57)
Dexprozius (BRD99/DRK59)
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[Aminon Mode]
Hard Mode
Mesos obtained: 0
[COR Rolls]
Miser's: 5 (Lucky!)
Tactician's: 5 (Lucky!)
Wild Card: 6
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[Aminon Damage Report]
Name Damage Percent
DNC | 2,068,335 | 38.2%
COR | 1,004,274 | 18.6%
RDM | 831,545 | 15.4%
Dexprozius | 692,797 | 12.8%
GEO | 492,777 | 9.1%
PLD | 290,128 | 5.4%
Skillchain (PLD) | 12,309 | 0.2%
Skillchain (Dex) | 10,174 | 0.2%
Skillchain (RDM) | 4,828 | 0.1%
Skillchain (GEO) | 2,881 | 0.1%
Skillchain (DNC) | 896 | 0.0%
Skillchain (COR) | 278 | 0.0%
-----------------------------
[Aminon Weaponskill Averages]
Name WS Avg Count
DNC | 86,082 | 24
RDM | 69,187 | 12
Dexprozius | 53,292 | 13
COR | 47,819 | 21
GEO | 37,892 | 13
PLD | 28,633 | 10
-----------------------------
[Aminon Fight Duration]
5 min 37 sec
-----------------------------
[Extra Notes/Mentions]
Nothing to add


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EDIT: I'm just noticing this is the Odyssey thread? Guess Sechs asked about Aminon in the wrong thread by accident?
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By LightningHelix 2025-10-09 08:51:05
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »
EDIT: I'm just noticing this is the Odyssey thread? Guess Sechs asked about Aminon in the wrong thread by accident?
this report looks lit, you mind sharing the lua to generate it?

at least I assume you're just running a log-parsing addon, if you're doing something to the actual text file or whatever that's cool too, I'm just a magpie for useful looking code
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2025-10-09 08:57:49
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »
GEO is on lorg mor 5 using judgment

This is depressing to me. Judgment better than Dagda?
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-10-09 10:25:58
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Idk, but I have seen Dagda 4 and it smacks pretty good. But evidently the GEO would know better what the better weaponskill is.
By fractalvoid 2025-10-09 10:35:34
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »
We have the BRD savage, not mordant.

so COR and BRD both Savage, RDM on BlackHalo?

Also, do you have accuracy #s for ppls WS sets? We're using Chaos/Tact atm and your WS avgs still fairly higher than ours.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-10-09 11:08:29
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I guess it depends what value you're WS at. All major WS scale with higher TP, so there is no value in firing right at 1000%. Also, a Wild Card 6 would indicate double Bolster, so 7 minutes of capped attack (they killed it in ~5, but entire fight was completely capped). With higher MLs and riding Aria from a Stage 5 BRD and probably how good his team is, this isn't surprising. And I think Chaos Roll is probably doing absolutely nothing for you if GEO is using Bolster Fury+Frailty and Dia3^, should be capped.
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By Dodik 2025-10-09 11:09:45
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That chaos roll is doing nothing with SV songs and frailty on and all the def down debuffs. Even less so with bolster frailty.

Attack cap is attack cap.
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By Bismarck.Sterk 2025-10-09 11:13:24
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fractalvoid said: »
Asura.Dexprozius said: »
We have the BRD savage, not mordant.

so COR and BRD both Savage, RDM on BlackHalo?

Also, do you have accuracy #s for ppls WS sets? We're using Chaos/Tact atm and your WS avgs still fairly higher than ours.
He has 1774 Evasion, so before potential eva debuffs, you need:
1822 accuracy for 1-handers using ftp-replicating multi-hit WSs
1722 accuracy for 1-handers using single hit or non-ftp replicating* WSs
1814 accuracy for 2-handers using ftp-replicating multi-hit WSs
1714 accuracy for 2-handers using single hit or non-ftp replicating* WSs
*While it may be be feasible to add enough accuracy on your non-ftp rep. WSs to land the subsequent hits, the damage it'd provide is probably not worth the TP it'd feed. It would depend on how coordinated your group is with Absorb TPing.
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By Dodik 2025-10-09 11:25:17
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Tbh probably just better to use two madrigals than one madrigal and have to drop a lot of WS dmg for extra accuracy in sets.

SV sword madrigal is an extra 170 accuracy on a capped bard. You don't need that much extra, but adding accuracy in WS sets means you drop quite a lot of dmg.

If you're ML50 with stage5 weapons that will obviously change how much accuracy you need by a lot.
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By Asura.Sechs 2025-10-09 14:05:45
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »
EDIT: I'm just noticing this is the Odyssey thread? Guess Sechs asked about Aminon in the wrong thread by accident?
Maaan, that Sechs guy sure is a huge ***!
I mean wtf is he even thinking, posting in the wrong thread?!
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2025-10-09 17:04:35
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fractalvoid said: »
Asura.Dexprozius said: »
We have the BRD savage, not mordant.

so COR and BRD both Savage, RDM on BlackHalo?

Also, do you have accuracy #s for ppls WS sets? We're using Chaos/Tact atm and your WS avgs still fairly higher than ours.

Miser's frequency will do much more DPS than Chaos
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2025-10-09 17:25:47
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Dodik said: »
Tbh probably just better to use two madrigals than one madrigal and have to drop a lot of WS dmg for extra accuracy in sets.

SV sword madrigal is an extra 170 accuracy on a capped bard. You don't need that much extra, but adding accuracy in WS sets means you drop quite a lot of dmg.

If you're ML50 with stage5 weapons that will obviously change how much accuracy you need by a lot.

I'm ML 50 BRD, but i'd say most of the team is 42-45.

I dont think you need to tailor your WS sets for more accuracy since our buffs are as follows:

BRD - Songs are always Honor March / Blade / Sword Madrigal / Minuet V / Aria. Make sure Dark Thren II sticks mid pull during NiTro SV, otherwise youll need to marcato it mid fight and it's chaotic.

GEO - Geomancy is GEO Frailty, INDI Fury, Entrust STR > MND (if it's reset). 2 Savages, Black Halo, Judgment AND Knights of Round are All STR/MND and the DNC should be hitting cap without any help. REMEMBER to BoG before you place your bubble, THEN Bolster so when bolster wears off it's still BoG'd.

COR - Rolls are Tact + Miser. He crookeds the Tact, but mainly because he Tact's 1st so that people are generating TP whilst the pull is happening to get more benefit out of it. I'd say you could Crooked miser as well, the differece is very minor. Spam quick draws in STP gear for TP and WS @1k.

RDM - Dia III's (light shot), Frazzle III (for absorbs), Poison II if possible. No Slow No Para intentionally to get him to swing on us more, BRD DNC + COR all on Regal Gloves. RDM spams Impact or Thunder V w/ occult acumen set. Rotate Nuke for TP > Aspir > Absorb, especially under chainspells. I think its also worth dropping Composure after your Debuffs are on... because although it gives like 50? accuracy, you shouldnt need it and the 25% increased cooldown on spells sucks.

Absorb TP sets should be tailored for this fight to be as much Macc as possible while also netting enough fast cast for a 12-14 second cooldown. The lower the better as long as your not resisting. Someone smarter than me may have the numbers crunched, but I believe breakpoint values to aim for in fast cast are 40, 51, 62 and 73.
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By Dodik 2025-10-09 17:48:29
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If absorbs are ok geo can WS almost infinitely with impact (acumen) -> ws -> absorb -> aspir3 -> thundara3 (acumen) -> ws -> impact -> absorb etc.

Geo's aspir3 is a long stronger than rdm, they don't run out of mp.

But yeah if you do two madrigals don't need extra accuracy for ws set, that's what I was saying. And also allows for entrust str as you say.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2025-10-09 17:54:02
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LightningHelix said: »
Asura.Dexprozius said: »
EDIT: I'm just noticing this is the Odyssey thread? Guess Sechs asked about Aminon in the wrong thread by accident?
this report looks lit, you mind sharing the lua to generate it?

at least I assume you're just running a log-parsing addon, if you're doing something to the actual text file or whatever that's cool too, I'm just a magpie for useful looking code


https://github.com/Keramas/MuffinMan

My static m8 made it using data from Scoreboard and other stuff. I'm not smart enough to make add ons
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2025-10-09 18:46:44
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Dodik said: »
absorb -> aspir3 -> thundara3 (acumen) -> ws -> impact -> absorb

This is the only thing I don't like about what you said. That's too much between the absorbs imo.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-10-09 19:53:35
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It depends on the cadence of other players. I don't necessarily agree to the hard rule of "absorb every 12-14 seconds" no matter what. I've seen dozens of instances where nobody absorbs for at least 5 actions taken vs Aminon and the next absorb is north of 400, because everyone was on cool down from the last set of absorbs, and other instances where 4 absorbs go off at the same time and everyone gets ~80, leading to slower TP gain. It should be pretty apparent with experienced groups if absorbs are too fast or too slow based on how much TP you're getting back, Soo adjust accordingly based on that.

I've found it much easier for people to watch the log and attempt their absorb every 2-3 actions taken against Aminon, as close to 12-14 seconds as you can, but not always immediately at that time. If someone absorbs right before you would have gone, you should dump your TP immediately then absorb right after for a juicy refill. If someone WS before you would have WS, save it and instead absorb his WS (or better, let someone else absorb first, then you WS, then absorb immediately) then WS so timers are synced better and your teammate gets a juicier subsequent absorb. It's a very clever dance, and if people aren't doing it properly, you get uneven absorbs. Well coordinated groups are ones that know the absorb cadence very well, which is what I've seen lead to the fastest kills (not necessarily who WS the most). Whenever we have slow kills, besides pugging someone using the wrong buffs, what leads to slow kills or Aminon getting a move off is almost always incorrect absorb cadence among the group.

What Dodik said is actually exactly how I handle absorbs on GEO, Just with watching in between. Bonus points of you're the first person to use Impact, you can see when it falls off, so you can use absorb str/mind exclusively before impact (it won't work after impact).

Gdi this Odyssey thread
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-10-09 20:15:50
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Other things that really help your Aminon kill speeds:
Using Anchor
Using Timers to track your cooldowns
Using GS to WS from disengaged
Using addons to track the entire party's absorbs
Using JA0Wait
etc, etc, etc.

Oh ***sorry nvm, that's just "quality of life", none of that actually improves your performance.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2025-10-09 20:53:26
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You're just perpetually unhappy aren't you haha
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-10-09 21:00:24
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I'm sure this is a rhetorical question but in case you're genuinely curious: Nope. I'm perpetually happy, constantly smiling, satisfied, fulfilled, and love my life. I don't see how you could associate a sarcastic remark about a video game with unhappiness, but I guess a lot of people project random thoughts, opinions, and emotions on me that I never say or imply, so I guess it's par for the course. Carry on!
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-10-09 23:50:10
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Dodik said: »
SV sword madrigal is an extra 170 accuracy on a capped bard. You don't need that much extra, but adding accuracy in WS sets means you drop quite a lot of dmg.

This is incorrect, unless you're running Finale or Lullaby merits. I run Madrigal/Minuet, which means 180 accuracy for SV Sword Madrigal.
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