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By Veydal1 2025-05-27 16:06:36
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I don't know what elements Bumba's auto attacks are, but it shouldn't be getting off any TP moves at all. So the affinity of his TP moves aren't a factor.

Definitely agree with including a Carrier Sash if the auto attacks have an element associated with them. Could be similar to Aminon, where only 1? (I think) of the auto attacks have an elemental affinity (Darkness I believe).

As an aside, I did shy away from absorb gear as it's my understanding that mobs still gain TP if their attack is absorbed.
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By Bismarck.Radec 2025-05-27 16:42:39
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Veydal1 said: »
I don't know what elements Bumba's auto attacks are...

They change over time, best to have all-element resist.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/32145/a-scholars-education-guide/100#3686290
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2025-05-27 16:48:53
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A fully powered up magic barrier is going to block ~730 hp. Do have to be careful, magic def down aura will prevent saline coat. I’ve had a few times where that aura has let a kaustra or comet through and ended the run
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2025-05-28 12:10:05
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Sorry if this has been asked so much
Its just a struggle to understand where I am at picking this back up

IF I get v20 clears on everything or had them and do idk up to or including v15 clear later in order order whatever is v20 done when I go to access it or does it need to be done again

In regards to progressing my ability to enter higher v fights for solo rp
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By Dodik 2025-05-28 12:55:01
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If you clear all at V20 you can enter V25 and any earlier level.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-05-28 12:59:33
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You have to clear:
-The monster you want to farm at prior level (clear V20 to pop V25)
-All lower tier monsters at target level (4/4 T1 V25 clear to pop T2 V25)

So, clearing all at V20 is not sufficient to unlock all for RP. You need to clear T1-T2 at V25 to do T3V25, and T3 at V25 to do BumbaV25.

The game only stores your highest clear, so if you can clear V25s without having done lower tiers you only need to fight each monster once. Of course, clearing T3-T4 V25 without any nyame will be difficult for most jobs.
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2025-05-28 13:14:47
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Right I understand the part about clearing up to.
What I wanna understand is I have done various clears at different levels different bosses tiers etc

Is this like a bingo card type situation?

Or does all that not matter?

This is only with respect to entering at various levels not the gear aspect.

Like if I had all "v20s" cleared but nothing else.
Worked my way up to whatever was before in a sense would the v20 clears benefit me in a manner of speaking by allowing me to move on to the ones after it.

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By K123 2025-05-28 13:26:31
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Dodik said: »
If you clear all at V20 you can enter V25 and any earlier level.
This isn't true, is it? Or the wording is confusing.

If you clear everything at V20 you can enter T1 at V25, but you cannot enter T2 V25 until all T1 are beaten at V25, and cannot enter T3 V25 until all T2 (hence all T1 already beaten) are beaten at V25, and cannot enter T4 (Bumba) V25 until all T3 (hence all T2+T1 already beaten) are beaten at V25.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-05-28 13:34:28
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No. Beating V20 unlocks access to V25. If what I think Dodik is saying in that you've been "all" on V20, that would include all atonements. So he can enter v25 in tier 1-4. He doesn't require a v25 clear on 1 to access v25 on 2 so on and so forth. His V20 clears on 1 gives him access to V25 in 1. His V20 clears on 2 give him access to V25 in 2. Repeat for 3&4
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2025-05-28 13:38:34
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I guess it would be better to ask this to demonstrate my misunderstandings

Do I need to beat everything before v20 if I have all v20 clears? All tiers for the sake of the question. T1,2,3
This would be because someone with access took me in.
Would I be free then to enter v20 at my leisure.

Or do i need to beat V5 v10 v15 before I can do this
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By K123 2025-05-28 13:40:26
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
He doesn't require a v25 clear on 1 to access v25 on 2 so on and so forth. His V20 clears on 1 gives him access to V25 in 1. His V20 clears on 2 give him access to V25 in 2. Repeat for 3&4
I don't believe this is right, I tested it myself when doing them just like 2 years ago.

I don't think you can enter T2 V25 just because you have T1+T2 all done at V20. You must have all T1 done at V25. You can even test this with Bumba easily, I cannot enter Bumba V25 even though I have all T1+T2+T3 at V20.
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By Dodik 2025-05-28 13:42:00
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Clearing all atonements at a level gives you access to all previous levels.

You do not need to clear previous levels.
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By K123 2025-05-28 13:42:59
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V20 clears on T2 alone do not give access to V25 Tier2. V25 clears on all T1s AND all V20 clears on T2 would give access to T2 V25.

Are you saying if he got all T2 V25 without ever doing any T1 he would have all T1 V25 access unlocked? If so, I don't know about this.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-05-28 13:46:42
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He literally said all. I reiterated all atonements in my response. And you're still asking about only doing a middle tier and not the lower ones....
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-05-28 13:48:55
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K123 said: »
V20 clears on T2 alone do not give access to V25 Tier2. V25 clears on all T1s AND all V20 clears on T2 would give access to T2 V20.

Are you saying if he got all T2 V25 without ever doing any T1 he would have all T1 V25 access unlocked? If so, I don't know about this.

How can clearing on V20 all t2s give you access to V20 if you already had it?
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By Dodik 2025-05-28 13:52:50
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Do we need a definition on the word all now?
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-05-28 14:26:17
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I think we're misunderstanding here, because I'm still seeing what Buukki said as incorrect.

If you have all V20 clears, you have access to pop any T1 at V25.

You do NOT have access to pop a T2, T3, or T4 at V25. However, you can pop them at V20.

To pop any T2 at V25, you must clear all T1s at V25.

So, having all V20 clears does not mean you can pop higher tiers at V25 for RP.

There is never any reason you'd need to go back and do a lower vengeance clear of the same NM. Clearing all V20s will let you pop all NMs at V20 and T1s at V25.
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By K123 2025-05-28 14:34:55
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
I think we're misunderstanding here, because I'm still seeing what Buukki said as incorrect.

If you have all V20 clears, you have access to pop any T1 at V25.

You do NOT have access to pop a T2, T3, or T4 at V25. However, you can pop them at V20.

To pop any T2 at V25, you must clear all T1s at V25.

So, having all V20 clears does not mean you can pop higher tiers at V25 for RP.

There is never any reason you'd need to go back and do a lower vengeance clear of the same NM. Clearing all V20s will let you pop all NMs at V20 and T1s at V25.
This is what I'm saying. It is hard to word it in an explicitly clear way which makes it look like they are saying you can pop T2+3+Bumba V25 just because you have all T1+T2+T3+Bumba at V20. That is not true.
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By K123 2025-05-28 14:35:43
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
K123 said: »
V20 clears on T2 alone do not give access to V25 Tier2. V25 clears on all T1s AND all V20 clears on T2 would give access to T2 V20.

Are you saying if he got all T2 V25 without ever doing any T1 he would have all T1 V25 access unlocked? If so, I don't know about this.

How can clearing on V20 all t2s give you access to V20 if you already had it?
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By Dodik 2025-05-28 14:41:27
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The question was "Do I need to beat everything before v20 if I have all v20 clears", which is why I said all previous levels.

If you want to be able to pop v25 t3 you need t2 and t1 first - those are the next levels not the previous.

You can RP on V20 pops just fine. I was saying having all clears on V20, again that word all, gives you access to pop all V20s-V1s.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-05-28 14:52:21
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K123 said: »
Shiva.Thorny said: »
I think we're misunderstanding here, because I'm still seeing what Buukki said as incorrect.

If you have all V20 clears, you have access to pop any T1 at V25.

You do NOT have access to pop a T2, T3, or T4 at V25. However, you can pop them at V20.

To pop any T2 at V25, you must clear all T1s at V25.

So, having all V20 clears does not mean you can pop higher tiers at V25 for RP.

There is never any reason you'd need to go back and do a lower vengeance clear of the same NM. Clearing all V20s will let you pop all NMs at V20 and T1s at V25.
This is what I'm saying. It is hard to word it in an explicitly clear way which makes it look like they are saying you can pop T2+3+Bumba V25 just because you have all T1+T2+T3+Bumba at V20. That is not true.

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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-08-12 10:11:31
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I have a theory that Mimics have varying levels and stats based on the box type they transform from, independent from the floor level they spawn on

Normally I farm 6 groups of Nostos in A1 plus the Halo group for around 24 izzat. I spend 13 izzat on two separate chests to attempt to get two Aurum strongboxes to pick, but I haven't seen a Coffer-> Aurum upgrade in a while, so I modified my strategy a bit to spending only 5 izzat on the first 3 boxes and then picking the Coffer x3. In two runs I was unlucky and got 4 mimics, and when fighting them, they were significantly stronger than I remember them being when previously straight picking chests. They hit for 350-500+ in full DT, landed stun from Death trap much more frequently even with meva build, and occasionally, my WS would deal 30% less damage for some unexplained reason that couldn't be from Lethargic Gaze or Dia3 falling off. They took an extra 3 minutes to 2 minutes to kill and I couldn't figure out why they were suddenly so strong. I feel like Coffer Mimics are 2-5 levels higher than Chest mimics or at least have higher stats.

That's the only explanation I could come up with for why they were so randomly strong; I don't recall the ones in A1 being particularly that hard to deal with ever before. For reference, after my A1 farming, I go exclusively to lockpicking on higher floors, so I only ever pick mimics after the first floor when izzat is spent. Those mimics take like 30-45 seconds to kill me because they hit less accurately and are noticeably weaker, if I choose to let them kill me.

I looked in wiki and haven't seen anyone post anything about strength levels of Mimics that pop from different box types
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2025-08-12 10:21:04
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How do chests work anyways?
With cap Moogle mastery how much does it cost to open chest at different levels?

Is there different rewards for the mastery levels?

I got 100 for 5 points and then the chest upgraded and I got 150 for like 15

I am told this is entirely different for higher mastery levels
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-08-12 10:41:17
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Fenrir.Jinxs said: »
How do chests work anyways?
With cap Moogle mastery how much does it cost to open chest at different levels?

Buukki-with capped mastery, 5 for chests, 8 for coffers, 10 for Aurums. There is a 10% discount to the cost of izzat for every 10 chests opened per Sheol wing, per box type. The discount caps after 50 boxes opened, per type
For example, chests start at 10 izzat base coat. Opening 50 reduces the cost to 5.
Base Aurum costs 20. Opening 50 reduces cost to 10


Is there different rewards for the mastery levels?

Buukki - No. They're random

I got 100 for 5 points and then the chest upgraded and I got 150 for like 15

I am told this is entirely different for higher mastery levels

Buukki - The segments obtained per box type differs depending on whether you open it with izzat or pick it. If you open with izzat, you always get 100/150/200 segments for chest/Coffer/Aurum respectively. If you pick the boxes I think you get 5/10/15 segments. You can never increase the segments earned from boxes either from picking or using izzat. The only advantage Moogle Mastery has on chests is the discount cost
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By Dodik 2025-08-12 10:45:59
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If your MM is capped, chests open at 5-8-10 points per chest/coffer/aurum type.

The advantage is you can open a lot more chests with capped MM at no risk of mimic.
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By Bismarck.Luces 2025-08-12 13:26:26
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2 tanks, 3 healers. Sick them on the mimic, run 25 yalms away. log out and back in. No death needed majority of the time. Though sometimes bad luck/funky things can happen. I once had the mimic just randomly pull me in even though no trust had died yet after 0 seconds left to log message had appeared, as it was logging me out. That was wildly unfortunate and only happened once.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-08-12 13:34:37
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Bismarck.Luces said: »
2 tanks, 3 healers. Sick them on the mimic, run 25 yalms away. log out and back in. No death needed majority of the time. Though sometimes bad luck/funky things can happen. I once had the mimic just randomly pull me in even though no trust had died yet after 0 seconds left to log message had appeared, as it was logging me out. That was wildly unfortunate and only happened once.

This works, but keep in mind your trusts need to survive those 30 seconds, plus the time it takes for you to run out of disengage range. You have to stop attacking a Mimic to log out (unless you force DC, but then you really don't know if you got out safely). I've done this often and it works, but you lose about 1min of event time, longer if it keeps pulling you back in. Also, Death Trap resets hate, so there is a chance if you don't run far away enough, it can pull you back in. I've found that running 50+ gives like 100% success with your method, since the Mimic won't Draw you in as a priority if you're outside of a certain range (but he will if you're the only target on the floor on his hate list).

I've found it faster to run straight into a pack of mobs, die 20+ away from the mimic, and when the pack moves, Reraise and continue my lockpicking. It's very likely I'm going to get another Mimic later on in the run anyways, so at that point weakness timer is not an issue, and I will repeat the process again for him too.

Either way works, and I do both methods depending on how much time I have left (i.e. I won't log off if I have like 3 minutes left to get to the Vortex).
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