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By Guyford 2022-12-12 12:58:25
Yea I agree V25 bumba is gonna be the new AV, but then that seems alot more reasonable for the T3s, a bad comp to do first 25%, a 2nd group to kill that add, then your normal v20 setup to kill boss in last fight.
Of course the ws wall is still there so theres that to work around, probably have to do a little more damage with groups 1 and 2 then.
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By Asura.Melliny 2022-12-12 13:14:09
Quote: I think WS nerf is a little heavy handed.
It's artificial difficulty, and that's why I don't like it. I'm fine with them forcing us to kill adds and making the fight's challenging though. Give us deadly attacks and mobs with tons of HP and big obstacles and tons of adds or w/e and I'm all over it. But Odyssey plays by rules that aren't present in any other part of the game. You can't use your sub job, you can't use multiple of the same job, you can't use the same job twice, and now the weaponskill wall hamstrings melee damage. That's just cheap design if you ask me. The way they chose to force the content to be challenging is the annoying part here.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2022-12-12 13:14:32
Maybe wait until someone actually gets to T3 before we assume the WS wall is present in the exact same manner there. For that matter, it's entirely possible the WS wall itself has undiscovered mechanics or is implemented differently here from sortie. The earlier variant of the 'WS wall' used in HTBC and Dyna-D was reduced by performing different actions, including things like steps and debuffs that can be added in without a huge change to strategy.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2022-12-12 13:15:34
Apologies in advance if this has been asked already, but is the ws wall only for physical damage or all ws types?
Edit: NVM, found Melliny's post a few pages back:
"ANY weaponskill activates the wall. It's completely different from the multiple uses of the same weaponskill nerf you see in dynamis. The sortie basement bosses only allow one full powered weaponskill every 10 seconds."
Thanks.
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By Asura.Melliny 2022-12-12 13:17:21
All weaponskill types. The weaponskill wall that was implemented on the sortie basemenet bosses just flat nerfs weaponskill damage period. Once a weaponskill is used there is a 10 second window where every further weaponskill of any type from any player is nerfed by something like 90%. There is a reason we use exclusively manaburn strategies on sortie now.... whereas we melee burned the original sector with savage spam.
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2022-12-12 13:37:11
That's just cheap design if you ask me. That's expensive design if you ask me. Unlock all those wardrobes or else you won't have an easy time doing all the content.
They let us fight the same boss 3 different times and no repeat jobs so we'd use the job adjustments they took the time to do and wardrobes they made available.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-12 13:41:26
You didn't think they went through all of the trouble to include Porter Moogles in Gaol for nothing, did you? You're going to play multiple jobs at a high level whether you like it or not, else just ignore the content. Yes, they are forcing people to be job-diverse for once.
By Serjero 2022-12-12 13:49:16
Well looks like all the people crying about Savage spam got their wish granted by SE.
I wonder how long it'll take before the first Bumba clear happens.
If SE is gonna make us use the whole buffalo with multiple entries to beat the bosses that's some pretty crazy stuff. But hot damn is that overly restrictive of most groups to have 12-18 uniquely geared jobs across 6 characters without all the niche jobs being stuck on 1 or 2 people.
Will be interesting to see solutions to these new problems. I am excited to see what crazy stuff Xolla's group comes up with and how much it differs from what the NA groups do.
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-12-12 13:52:54
I wonder how long it'll take before the first Bumba clear happens.
Not for a long time, mostly cause it's proc is random and everyone dies if they don't proc it within a few seconds.
Honestly everything else with Bumba is dealable, it's the "random proc in 10s or take 4000 damage" issue. Like you need to hit Bumba to attempt to proc Bumba, but if you hit Bumba then it kills you. That is the entire reason we had a "saveage and pray the proc is crits" strategy in the first place.
By SimonSes 2022-12-12 13:55:15
I am excited to see what crazy stuff Xolla's group comes up with and how much it differs from what the NA groups do.
Yeah I wanted to say Xolla will come up with strategy for Bumba R30 in few weeks and Saevel will score another 180 and start preaching how easy it is again :D
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By SimonSes 2022-12-12 14:01:52
I wonder how long it'll take before the first Bumba clear happens.
Not for a long time, mostly cause it's proc is random and everyone dies if they don't proc it within a few seconds.
Honestly everything else with Bumba is dealable, it's the "random proc in 10s or take 4000 damage" issue. Like you need to hit Bumba to attempt to proc Bumba, but if you hit Bumba then it hills you. That is the entire reason we had a "saveage and pray the proc is crits" strategy in the first place.
It was 4 sec, because 5 people were zerging it. Take some 75 subtle blow ONE person and make crit and WS on it. If none will proc red, then you know it's not crit or WS in the same time. At this point you want to make 3 step and magic burst it. Xolla or someone else from JP community were holding Bumba until time out. It wont kill you in 4 sec, if you play it safe.
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By zixxer 2022-12-12 14:05:30
I know a few people are saying this is SEs way of forcing the community into MB parties.
But there are NMs resistant to magic damage. Think of Arebati. As I recall my groups first clear was both Cor and Rng going max damage WS, full buffs, max randoms and WC resets and sometimes you’ll kill it before time out.
Let’s now add another add, more hp, more stats, and a WS wall as a cherry on top.
Edit: and regen. Jesus.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-12-12 14:12:02
It's not specifically to get you back to MB parties.
It's more to slow the game down. You can't even skillchain. The window to skillchain is smaller than the nerf window. They're really just floundering and doing everything possible to avoid just fixing the game properly.
We've tried nothing and we're out of ideas.
By Serjero 2022-12-12 14:14:23
We've tried nothing and we're out of ideas.
They've tried nothing everything works.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-12 14:15:11
I wonder how long it'll take before the first Bumba clear happens.
Not for a long time, mostly cause it's proc is random and everyone dies if they don't proc it within a few seconds.
Honestly everything else with Bumba is dealable, it's the "random proc in 10s or take 4000 damage" issue. Like you need to hit Bumba to attempt to proc Bumba, but if you hit Bumba then it hills you. That is the entire reason we had a "saveage and pray the proc is crits" strategy in the first place.
It was 4 sec, because 5 people were zerging it. Take some 75 subtle blow ONE person and make crit and WS on it. If none will proc red, then you know it's not crit or WS in the same time. At this point you want to make 3 step and magic burst it. Xolla or someone else from JP community were holding Bumba until time out. It wont kill you in 4 sec, if you play it safe.
Like I have said many many times before, we did this with MNK doing a simple 3 step SC which includes Victory Smite, with the WHM or GEO bursting light. This covers every single possible proc, unless VS somehow does not crit (which you can save Focus for), so you can see the red proc. If you can't get Blue with a single MNK, you know the method is same time WS simply by process of elimination.
I'm not saying V25 is going to be a piece of cake, but the exaggerated predictions based on first-day reports where nobody has even reached Bumba are are silly to say the least.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-12 14:33:32
It's not specifically to get you back to MB parties.
It's more to slow the game down. You can't even skillchain. The window to skillchain is smaller than the nerf window. They're really just floundering and doing everything possible to avoid just fixing the game properly.
We've tried nothing and we're out of ideas.
You guys are thinking too much like players and not enough like a business. SE is doing all of these things for one simple bottom line: profitability. There is no longevity if you can beat the entire game with one job and a sword. They want you playing more jobs and collecting more gear and leveling higher, not because they want to reward us as players, but because it simply keeps us playing longer. It really is that simple.
The people who make this game, while I'm sure they love it as a pride project, still have bosses. It's a game to us, its business to them. This is why they won't ban all of the bots, because they are still paying to play the game.
This is why they make ML grinds so terrible, because if players don't have a goal, they will get bored and eventually quit. They don't want that. They can make it grindy because it adds time to the game's life.
It's a really bad investment from a game-maker perspective if the game offers 22 jobs and only 10 are being played. They don't care particularly about BLM or SCH or MB strats per se, they just see over half of their investment not being utilized and that's not good for a game. Because it's not good for longevity if half of their product is ignored. And if half of their product is ignore because it isn't needed, less time investment from the players, that's not good. So time to force people to play more.
So yeah, they will make more fights that revolve around playing more jobs, because playing more jobs requires more time commitment from the player and adds longevity to the game. Them introducing V25s with Gaol possibly requiring 2-3 fights for one clear (potentially no less than 9k segments for ONE CLEAR, now that's a grind) is their way of proving that is their current model and focus. That was no accident at all. People say SE has no idea what they are doing with FFXI, but I beg to differ. I think they are completely aware of their roadmap and what their goal is, they just aren't telling the player the plans, and we look at it from a player perspective and wonder wtf are they smoking.
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-12-12 14:46:49
Just remember, guys can win with PUP and the power of positive thinking and Friendship.
By Serjero 2022-12-12 15:01:15
If they wanted a real time extender they could remove the R tag from Nyame and suddenly people will make 2-3 full sets of it which requires a substantial amount of time for segments and RP farm.
They could also scale HP or add defense/DT directly to the mob instead of making a WS wall, they could create a higher DPS check that tests players so that MLs are necessary to hit those thresholds. They could do a lot of things, but they choose to be directly punishing to the playerbase instead of incorporating what players were naturally drawn to and make adjustments therein.
After a certain point it doesn't just feel like business decisions to extend the games life. It feels like targeted condemnation and contempt towards the playerbase. When they start creating content that less than 1% of players will be able to do, that's not opening up another 50% of the game to encourage players to try out. That's just cutting off an entire content block for 99% of your players.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-12 15:07:24
They could do a lot of things, but they choose to be directly punishing to the playerbase instead of incorporating what players were naturally drawn to and make adjustments therein.
still thinking like a player.
After a certain point it doesn't just feel like business decisions to extend the games life. It feels like targeted condemnation and contempt towards the playerbase.
what's the difference?
When they start creating content that less than 1% of players will be able to do, that's not opening up another 50% of the game to encourage players to try out. That's just cutting off an entire content block for 99% of your players.
if 99% of the players walked away from FFXI they wouldn't dare do what you are suggesting they are doing. But they're going to stay here, so this is not a serious concern for SE to be frank. If mass numbers of people quit FFXI after Odyssey then they would have to answer for the losses in some way. But it never happened in large numbers, so they don't need to.
Anyways, they do have content geared towards a wider variety of players, so that's still playable for many. Gaol V25 is just not one of them. At the very least, players can climb the "boards" challenging themselves to new difficulties, and if they can't do it, they can't do it. If I cannot clear Bumba V25 or even Ngai V25, I don't even deserve the gear at all and I'm completely ok with that.
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By Leviathan.Boposhopo 2022-12-12 15:12:56
How realistic is it for a PUP using OD to do close to 25% of the NMs HP? Wouldn't work for every fight obviously, but I could see a lot of fights that would be easier to setup if a PUP could burn that 25% to get the first add on your first Moglophone. PUP could hold NM afterwards while everyone else kills the add. Don't have or know a well geared PUP to know if this is an option or not.
By SimonSes 2022-12-12 15:21:19
Leviathan.Boposhopo said: »How realistic is it for a PUP using OD to do close to 25% of the NMs HP? Wouldn't work for every fight obviously, but I could see a lot of fights that would be easier to setup if a PUP could burn that 25% to get the first add on your first Moglophone. PUP could hold NM afterwards while everyone else kills the add. Don't have or know a well geared PUP to know if this is an option or not.
Maybe. On V20 Hanwen I was able to do only like 7%, but with just Trusts and I would consider it the worst A2, because of guard and counters.
I think the core for ultimate B team is PUP, BST, DNC, RDM
PUP OD and tank the boss, BoxStep+Corrosive+DiaIII is 76% def down.
Killer Instinct, Distract III and Quickstep are sufficient to cap accuracy, HasteII+HasteSamba is sufficient haste. RDM debuffs both MB and add to make it safer and easier to manage.
GEO+PLD would probably best to finish this setup. Duban PLD can now cap shield block on all those NMs and can self heal. Geo could help to cap haste and attack.
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-12-12 15:25:56
After a certain point it doesn't just feel like business decisions to extend the games life. It feels like targeted condemnation and contempt towards the playerbase. When they start creating content that less than 1% of players will be able to do, that's not opening up another 50% of the game to encourage players to try out. That's just cutting off an entire content block for 99% of your players.
What happens is SE releases content with giant Moves of Great Dickness, then observes as we find ways to dodge those wrenches. Afterwards they design the next batch of content to invalidate those dodges, requiring us to find new ways to dodge the new *** Wrenches they were throwing.
The WS wall in Sortie basement was a result of everyone using WS spam to kill the four regular bosses and not deal with the Moves of Great Dickness. They just copied that mechanic to Oyssea and it'll likely also be in the next content that is created. It's like how they nerf GEO bubbles or give mobs massive "I Win buttons".
By SimonSes 2022-12-12 15:29:52
The WS wall in Sortie basement was a result of everyone using WS spam to kill the four regular bosses and not deal with the Moves of Great Dickness. They just copied that mechanic to Oyssea and it'll likely also be in the next content that is created. It's like how they nerf GEO bubbles or give mobs massive "I Win buttons".
I like it, I was always a massive fan of white damage builds :)
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2022-12-12 15:30:45
So SE went the Fake inflated difficulty route this round and pretended they created hard content by just changing the rules around to the point the content isn't do-able by 98% of the community in hopes they play FF14. lulz
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By Asura.Mcdoogle 2022-12-12 15:32:53
The Nuke wall and BP wall welcome the WS wall!
Equality is pretty grand.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-12 15:38:26
the content isn't do-able by 98% of the community in hopes they play FF14.
You joke, lol. Might be some truth to it.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2022-12-12 16:10:35
the content isn't do-able by 98% of the community in hopes they play FF14.
You joke, lol. Might be some truth to it.
Can't you see me laughing behind my keyboard?
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-12-12 16:24:16
the content isn't do-able by 98% of the community in hopes they play FF14.
You joke, lol. Might be some truth to it.
Can't you see me laughing behind my keyboard?
Screw it, lets all go play Earth and Beyond instead.
https://www.net-7.org
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By IGDC 2022-12-12 16:30:48
The Nuke wall and BP wall welcome the WS wall!
Equality is pretty grand.
Did they add it to all of odyssey or just V25 now?
Hmmm...
Initial Speculations:
Looks like they took components of Walk of Echoes (setting), and Elemental Circles and brought it together.
They must of learned new ideas through the Lilith HTBF and how they can play with those elemental fetters to create unique battlefield environment and apply further stress with them..
Instead of Abyssea, this may be a Walk of Echoes 3.0? Anything iLvl 140+ .. We are ready!
Keep this thread clean, hoping to post critical details and discuss strategies.. Eventually I will create a Node on this with full details.. We can then update BG-Wiki with information that we gather..
Those of you who play on Nasomi.. Please don't post on here, you have a Fafnir to camp.. so get back to work.. This is isn't Bubbly Bernie version 3.0. He will be OG 1.0 forever on Nasomi.. ^_^
Sorry about the delay on updating this as I have been slammed with a lot of work since COVID-19 defense ramp up procedures at my hospital facility.
I have barely had time to update and barely any time to explore this content myself. I appreciate everyone's work so far. I will update this OP Thread with some resources and information that people have found across all servers including videos and screenshots..
Keeping this as a basic vital post highlight source so as new posts with vital information emerges I will just pin it here so it is all in one space and no need to jump around different pages..
To Begin.. The Basic Release Info from SE:
Some First Initial Basic Discoveries:
looks like you enter through Rabao
And you have 30 min to kill a bunch of trash mobs. Probably a boss at the end too.
More Initial Entry Discoveries Pinned:
About to enter Odyssey for the first time.
I'll report back. Setup is PUP, COR, BLU x2, SMN, RDM
Ok, it's looking like they made this content specifically to prevent BLUs from cleaving through this content.
Only main target took full damage. Surrounding targets took 90% reduced damage (main targeet 15k, all others 500 or less)
All mobs can be fully enfeebled (Sleep, Silence, Slow, Para) but standard rules apply for mob types (we saw Skeletons, couldn't Blind them)
I can very easily see a RUN or PLD tank running in and aggroing the group of mobs, with a BRD sleeping them all. 2 DDs kill one by one with proper support. SMN Bloodpacts were doing full damage on single mobs (same rules for BLU applied for SMN when we tried Thunderspark for lulz)
At the end, we found a group of mobs (bats) with a Fetter and a group of untargetable Yagudo. We cleared the bats, then killed the Fetter. Once the Fetter is killed, the Yagudo become targetable. For killing all of the Yagudo, you get 10 Izzat.
In total, we farmed 20 Izzat. We'll try using them tomorrow on boxes, maybe even spawn an NM. After we killed the fetter, a conflux spawned that gave us the opportunity to spawn a monster for 10 Izzat. We were low on time, so we just chose to exit.
Player with Trusts.. First Experience Testimonies:
Went in with trusts. Was able to 1 shot most things with leaden.
Yield: 31 scales and 3 scale boxes (from the chest).
Edit: Chests gave 11, 13 and 16.
More Vital Data Testimonies Discovered:
Random info:
-Killing trash gave izzat and lustreless scales
-Using 10 izzat to pop chest gave 2 scales and a box
-Killing fetter made untargetable yagudo killable, giving 10 izzat killing them all
-Popping NM with 10 izzat from ethereal junction spawned a red morbol that did blood weapon and dropped 2 boxes of scales
-Not sure what items you need to trade to junction to spawn monsters
-Was unable to use the thing at the start after killing fetter/yagudos/morbol, may have to kill all trash? I looked around and missed a pack, timed out before I could kill them all
-Moogle keeps track of trash killed, physis, and chests, and the power of your alter egos while in odyssey (Moogle Mastery)
More Testimonials and Discoveries..
Does anyone know what is needed to clear the RoE for Sheol A?
You need to run (can do on sneak/invi, only trasnparent mobs are true sight/sound) to last floor (A7) using confluxes. On last floor there is Otherworldly Vortex mentioned in RoE quest. You need to touch it (it lets you leave Odyssey too) to complete the quest. Credit for that info goes to Mischief from Bahamut. Here is a video of my first experience with Odyssey:
YouTube Video Placeholder Tried exploring, found more information
- I didn't realize there was a conflux on each floor to move up
- Each floor increases in mob level, capping at 131, and general nastiness of monster family (manticores, giants I remember on last floor)
- Translocators bring you down to previous levels, so the first floor one doesn't work until you find the higher level ones
- One character got stuck on a floor and couldn't move up, nor did they get the RoE objective upon someone else reaching the top
So for soloers, seems like it's best to stick to lower level floor to farm scales, more experienced parties can move up to desired difficulty for more scales. First time in would be best just getting the RoE objective and unlocking translocators.
Initial Video Detailing Climb to 7th floor for easy RoE Completion for Augment Unlock on Gear:
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More Info about Moglophone KI's:
Anyways did a solo run this morning and got about 100 scales from just killing trash in first floor. Wondering what others are getting from parting up vs solo.
edit: Also can you hold one Moglophone KI on you, and then have the moogle hold one?
I was wondering this too. I picked up my KI last night and am holding it until later today and going to see if I can run two times in a row.
You can. I used my ki after few hours yesterday and when I checked moogle timer was at 15h, so it was going down while I had KI on me.
More Testimonial Higlights:
Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Maybe Mischief will post about it, he figured it out on his mule. I'll try and post what i know, but it seems like we skip everything and just kill the fetters, mobs around the fetters, and sometimes the UNM near the fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »and if u get to the final thing upstairs, personal chest for everyone. Not sure if someone said it already, but you CAN store a KI. So only need to farm every 2 days! I am confused on how people move up using sneak and invisible, in this run I explored everything, vortexes just said "you can't use this yet", or let me summon an NM but never move somewhere else, even after i killed the fetter, all the guards, the NM, opened one chest, and killed about 90% of all the mobs. If anybody can spot where in this video I should have been able to "move up" it would really help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i9GhE5nO3I
thanks At the mandies in your run. Just hug left wall and you'll find it. It took me a while to find the first flux as well, but the rest were less "hidden". A video was posted a couple pages ago showing the route.
YouTube Video Placeholder Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »vortexes just said "you can't use this yet" Need to click Shimmering lights for access to some portals or not have aggro iirc. I may be wrong though Bahamut.Lexouritis said: » It rewarded me again with a box + 50k gil.
did u kill a fetter? Seems like 50k per Fetter and 1 box per fetter (per character). The big Box from RoE seems to be just 1 time thing. The smaller boxes seem to be fetter based?
Killing all 4 fetters netted us about ~70 scales per run per person after touching otherworldy vortex.
Edit: With RoE quest being completed in a run, was more like 110-130. So how many scales is it per upgrade? Didn’t see on Bg-wiki and don’t feel like shifting through posts on here. Should be just under 12 stacks to max. Based on scales only being worth 5rp instead of 10 :/ Clip to the top and nab the box, in and out, 5 minute adventure.
For realsies? SE let content like that out after the mass-ban clipping/duping-alex adventures get onto the live server? Thought they learned their lesson since the AMAN trove boxes can't be scouted via Hex IDs. The box he means is the one from completing the RoE once. You can walk to it in 6-7 mins without speed hacks anyway. The big deal about completing the RoE is you can start augmenting your gear at that point. Well if dude already finished a piece few days after update, there isnt much time gate here it seems.
Probably just the appetitizer was released (im on a work trip, cant "enjoy" the new content till weekend...)
He finished because he bought scales or have legion of mules. Regular player with 1 account will need realistically around 10-14 days for one piece farming daily. Traded 5 Emperor arthro shells to vortex (dunno how many it took from inventory, might have only taken 1 of the 5). Summoned Brachys, a crab that had a high ass counter rate and instantly killed me on my thf in one attack round. 500+ damage counters with no DT set. Likely not advisable to spawn mobs solo with trusts. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill featers and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 featers solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »
Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill fetters and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 fetters solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming.
I'm not sure if you need to just kill the fetters or the fetters + all the semi-invisible beastmen around the fetters.
It's possible to kill a fetter without aggro from the semi invisible beastmen that are sight aggro like Yagudo and Orcs. I'm assuming Quadav will sound aggro which makes them easier to gather in a group.
On the first day, when I duo'd with my cousin on RUN and me on COR with a THF4 set, we killed 1 fetter but stopped killing the semi-invisible beastmen because they were not dropping anything. Not all of the beastmen aggro'd. Only the Yagudo beastmen that were in sight of us or each other aggro'd us. Care needs to be taken by support in this case as support will get aggro'd if they rush in too early before the tank has claim on everything. These mobs hit very hard.
Definitely go in with at least th4 if solo farming just trash mobs.
Go in with a full, balanced party to maximize drops from fetters. The fetters are easy to kill. The beastmen hit hard and have a little more hp than common trash mobs. Helps to sleep them too as they can easily overwhelm even the toughest of tanks. Me and a group of peeps went in yesterday, to do some testing.
Killing a fetter + beastman group rewards 10 izzat, no special drops were seen, we did not have a thief, just a range using bounty shot.
Gonna test farm some nms tonight. i tried to spawn 1 today with my alt using unity items, turns out 1 is not enough. My second run of this is probably the best I can do.
Went in, killed all normal monsters, Feters and Beastmen, killed all of the Yaguado. I had 20 Izzat, spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob that died in a 4 step SC. This NM used Blood WEapon, the NM I tried yesterday used 100 fists and rek'd me.
I got 90 Izzat from Monsters and 22 from the 2 boxes that I got from NM and a chest I used them on. The only thing I didn't do on Floor 1 was spawn the Junction that said "Item can be used to pop something here" I had 3 Sarama Hides, 2 Thuban Things and neither worked, nor did a combination of them work.
All of my drops were done with TH2 from Gear. Few unanswered questions:
How is the augmentation to Trust power in Odyssey earned? I believe the requirement must be more than simply killing sets of trash mobs and making it to the otherworldly at the end.
Rewards upon reaching end were:
360k gil from a group that killed everything on first floor, 2 NM's popped.
100k gil for solo killing 2 groups (4 izzat) worth of scrubs and reaching end.
On another run I also got 100k gil for solo killing more scrubs (4 sets I think. Seems like the NMs from either spawn point will be one of the 119/122 unity NMs with similar mechanics, but not exactly the same as my morbol didn't go through 3 stages and only did blood weapon. May be a good ideal to either focus on repeatedly killing one to raise its kill count for the moogle or killing all of them at least once. Can't wait for Pandemonium Warden v3 in the future lol Yep. Surprised the hell out of us.
But as I said I was getting 100k for just clearing a couple of easy rooms and heading for the exit solo for the RoE.
Thinking about it, we did a bit more than the first floor full clear on that run, did a second fetter and agon mobs and popped another NM at least. spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob
What method did you use to spawn this nm?
So there seems to be 2 spawn methods, Unity Item (I think 5 minimum) or Izzat once you have killed a fetter.
In terms of the invisible mobs I don't know if its a coincidence or not but every time they have aggro'd they go after my GEO and no other character. Dunno if the bubble is causing something funky to happen.
It should be possible, to kill fetters on all floors + escape as low as 3 man, I cleared everything in my run and had about 3 minutes to spare but a lot of it was goofing about looking at chests etc. I'd say 4 man would be the most optimal though as you can't really AOE.
Only flaw would be is that the fetters on floors seem to be placed randomly so you could get screwed over on travel times but imagine if you wanted to eat some taco's and take that risk you could and do it no probs. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.) Leviathan.Kingkitt said: »My findings thus far:
As stated multiples times already here, you can sneak/invisible to maneuver around the mobs here. However..
The invisible mobs appear true sight and/or sound, so you have to be cautious of them.
Appears that killing fetters gives personal loot. We all got a box.
You can solo for the RoE if you want following the guidlines above.
Competing RoE gives you 1 large box.
Clear is NOT party wide and each person must touch it individually for credit. (Also recieved 60k gil, we cleared 1 fetter/quadavs, and the mob family near it)
Didn't notice until after fetter and invisible mobs were dead, but one or the other gave 10 izzat.
Have tried a few different unity mats for unm 119/122 and traded 5 to pop a NM. NM that spawned was of the same mob family as items traded. Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull and kill regular mobs, until you see opportunity where nothing is close to fetter (there is always a moment when there is max 1 mob close to it at some point). Kill fetter fast (It's easy to kill. One good 2 step SC will kill it), then kill remaining mobs. I wouldn't try to aggro more than few mobs in general when solo or duoboxing, especially if you dont have Malignance set on COR. Something of note to add was that our rng and cor were doing 0 dmg to the fetter from distance and had to move much closer to do any damage. This may relate to how aoe does much reduced damage. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III.
Do you need to touch the flux on the top floor to get the gil? Or when does the gil actually get distributed to you? Yes, you have to leave personally to get it, and as always if other party members are fighting its locked out. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.)
Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull/kill regular mobs with ranged attack. Run in to fetter with max 1 or 2 shadows aggro. Kill fetter > kill the rest. Just look out what you aggro. Aggroing BLM mob that stand close to middle will probably result in mass link eventually. Regular mobs dont link at all, but transparent mobs (before and after killing fetter) do. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Not sure if it was mentioned, but looks like you can't pop the same NM twice from UNM mats in the same run. Popped once on first floor, and later on the 4th floor it gave a message saying we couldn't pop the same NM again. Sharing Shamgi's notes posted in the BST forum for relevant details:
Ok, just went into an Odyssey and discovered some things:
1. You can charm things in there. Things seemed to be fairly simple to charm, and Charm+ gear meant that my dhalmel stayed charmed 15+ minutes.
2.Charmed pets seem to be quite strong. Beyond the normal HP, they seemed to have fairly high damage, hitting other mobs in their own pack for 4-600 a swing, with crits as high as 900. My Dhalmel once used Berserk and those numbers got pretty big, same with their Sound Wave move. My record was a crit for 1500 or so. This is with NQ food and no other pet related buffs. I had one crawler end up at 74% when it killed another crawler in the pack, likely benefiting from all the DA and Haste.
3. Pets seem quite effective at killing the Halos. They hit hard already, but notably, they aggro nothing, not even the Beastmen around the Halos when doing so. The Halo produces a damaging AOE every couple of seconds that was hitting for 200 or so, but the pet, with it's 40k+ HP, doesn't care at all. Indeed, I left the pet to it's own devices and killed other packs with trusts while it worked the halo down itself, which actually seemed quite nice. When it died, the Orcs around it didn't aggro, so it was easy to pull them one by one, as they don't link either.
4. Mob spawns are random, which can hurt this strat, but from two runs a majority of the packs seem charmable, and many of them are often pretty powerful. Given the strat above, I feel like a monk style pet would be best here.
Overall, I'm super interested in trying this with a full group where you can use the pet to deal with adds while you work on a pack yourself and to safely kill Halos while you clear other things.
One issue was Sic, the recast was way worse than I remembered, and my lua isn't set up at all to deal with it. My best guess is to just set up my gearswap to always produce a physical damage set for Sic and then just use pets who focus physical damage with their TP moves. If it's a buff move, then no big deal, if it's physical then it's the right set. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far). Do not link with the Fetter though, found this out by trying to range attack the fetter down, only to realize the fetter is immune to auto-range attacks. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far).
Well its kinda expected. Orc, Yagudo and Goblins are all sight aggro/link. Quadavs are sound aggro/link and it's how they are in Odyssey too. They arent immune to ranged attacks you just need to be stood in the fetter to do damage.
So not immune to ranged attacks, but immune to any attacks from a range. XD As with all farming things it's more efficient to solo, if the kill speed is high, like 119 content. 6 solos have 6x more chances for boxes.
Luck's definitely a factor; and yeah I think solo probably is best.
I think a lot of it has to do with people finding each other, people needing to sneak/invis themselves, and having to stagger the flux (so it doesn't glitch out). Was a lot of wasted time there.
Was just curious if other groups were experiencing it as well. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. As group you are suppose to kill Fetter at floor 1,3,5 and 7 and run to otherworldy vortex at the end. You should get 4 PERSONAL box from otherworldy that way and I think one more personal box from killing beastman kings at floor 7 (they are around Fetter there).
So thats 5 personal chests
At least 40 Izzat to open chests
Probably at least 40 single scales from killing trash around fetters if you take at least TH4 with you.
Small boxes are on avg around 13 scales?
So probably around 70-80 scales at least per person, maybe more if you have time to farm more.
Very good geared solo player on specific job like COR, can get more with luck, but it might be other bonuses from killing fetters and NMs that we might dont know about. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them.
No, you need to kill Fetter AND beastman mobs around it to get credit for personal box at the end and 10 Izzat. I assume you killed only Fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »THF can pick the locks/chests in odyssey, in case no one mentioned, or knows about it yet. However some times mimic will pop out. Unsure how hard they are, as it opens with deathtrap, and his mule has sparks gear (and it got one shot). Credit goes to mischief
"Either gave a 'however it has no effect' message and consumed the tool, opened the chest, or a mimic popped out" I made a quick map of Odyssey to make ease to hit the fluxes.
Etheral Junctions, Fetters and camps change apparently random.
EDIT: all maps have North heading the upper border.
Aegypius NM:
Bird
Popped using 5 Abyssdiver feathers
Uses Broadside Barrage and Damnation Dive
Uses Perfect Dodge at low HP and gains an Encumbrance aura that stays for the rest of the fight Carbuncle.Papesse said: »Beware of the Treant NM Ptelea and its dangerous Leafstorm AoE. Leafstorm is hybrid wind based. It can crit, miss, be absorbed by shadows and Elemental Sforzo. One For All, Gelus Valiance and Baraero substantially reduce damage. As far as getting these telepoints, mentioned on BGwiki's Odyssey page that you're supposed to be able to travel between to get to further levels of Odyssey, does anyone have any info on the requirements to gain access to these? Do you have to kill all of the fetters to go up a floor? Also, has anyone tried going in with a group of six and then disbanding and everyone using their own trusts to expediate the process of both killing enemies on every floor, taking care of all the fetters on a floor and then popping the nm's so that you might progress to these tele-points if those happened to be the requirements? I know some players might have found that they can farm higher amounts of the Lustreless Scales solo rather than teaming up but if you go in with 6 and then make you're own parties with trusts.. and there are multiple telepoints with up to say 15 sets of mobs and fetters then the possibility of having a high return still might be worth it. Another thing i noticed maybe means nothing but i saw some pixels floating out of nowhere that seemed like a mobs name. Maybe a glitch? Or the others maps? Or a random mob?
 I'm sure people regularly killing fluxes/beastmen already knew this, but AoEs that would have hit the untargettable/invisible beastmen will still generate enmity on them, so people should watch for that if they're sleepgaing or horde lullabying fodder. We spawned an NM in today's run.
Brachys: Crab NM (PLD/MNK)
Had a pretty decent (25-30%) Counter rate. Bubble Curtain's Shell effect reduced enspell (RDM with Crocea Mors) dmg to 0 unless it was dispelled. Used Invincible at 25%. Easily landed enfeebles (Slow, Para, Blind, Frazzle, Distract) Pretty easy fight overall.
It was spawned using 10 Izzat after we killed Fetter + Beastmen mobs surrounding it. Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »I have Moogle Mastery III, not sure what's doing it. Status report has:
Nostos killed: 306
Damysus: 2
Salmandra: 2
Cynara: 1
Chests: 3
Seems I ranked up when I killed an Agon Bruiser. The augment system is “tiered”. I’m working on my alts Emeici +1.
Ranks 1-5 give +2 damage. Ranks 6-10 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc. I assume ranks 11-15 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc, +2 crit rate.
That’s a neat way to do it, it incentivizes the more expensive ranks. Just had a bad solo experience... turns our not all popped NM's are soloable. Do not recommend popping the nm's for 10 izzat.
Got a cactus who would constantly triple attack and did 600 normal / 1200 crit per attack round. August got insta-KO then healer then myself within 7 seconds. YouTube Video Placeholder
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