The Odyssey - || Strategy And Discussion ||

Great, thanks for the info. I figured and hoped that was the case, but wanted to be sure.

elucidate me how this is "way off"

I figured someone would get butthurt about this, I went and checked it after I got a reply here and realized it had been changed, it is now correct.

The issue was previously that the wiki indicated you gained access to v5 by clearing all of v0 at a given tier, nothing about requiring all v0 clears t1-4. So if you did t1 and cleared all v0, you should get access to t1 v5, based on the information at the time. Since SE doesn't have the vengeance level menu pop up until you can access it and is behind the mob selection, this resulted in a long running joke with my shell about how we are farming v0 gogamagog after I oops-i-accidentally us into it trying to get into v5.

It also was, at one point, not indicated that you need to clear a vengeance level in order to augment a piece (e.g. you can't augment with just a v0). I've been in RP parties no less than a half dozen times where people thought they could augment with a v0 clear and I've been told the same several times, which is not correct.

Both of these issues have recently been updated in the wiki, as told by the history of the page. So I asked the question to be clear, given that there is a lot of misinformation circling around, not just on the wiki. It's not a confusing subject, but it can be when you hear 3 different things from numerous sources about how it works. I didn't want to blow segments doing v15 (and soon v20) runs only to find I have to climb again, something I had been told previously by someone else (not the fault of the wiki)

I will take fault for the 'skip the grind' line, though, I missed that part

Some people have been able to augment pieces without clearing above V0. It's inconsistent, so either there's a glitch or an unknown factor somewhere.

Finally had some time to do a strat write up, along with the video they should help groups attempting max RP/Possible wins for these 3 NMs.



General Strategy Outlined Below:

Really thx for sharing it. I wonder how it's gonna change with V20.

One thing about this


To break the aura, it's much easier to just take THF to equip Tauret/gleti and go melee (can use Sneak attack too). Ofc you need to time it to not risk dispel. Our BRD is doing that in our regular Arebati and it proc !! super fast. THF is much better suited for this, so it will be even easier.

So, since the other thread is about how many segments you can get from boosting and people doing equations and formulas to work it out, how about discussion on actual new mechanics, so far this update seems to have been a royal *** you to geo as the fights are somewhat the same, except you bring a RDM instead of your GEO to deal with the add.

T1 - All seemed pretty simple, zerged quickly, no issues what so ever, bind and sleep works on the add

T2 - Done Krebs and Rasko

Rasko was a walk over, RDM for bind and Sleep on add Magic Burst setup

Krebs felt like it was broken, Sundering Snip would one shot instead of doing 60% of your HP, didn't matter what you did, we bought a BRD in here for Scherzo and Double Carols and it made it a joke.

This is as far as we got, will update when we get more information's.

Kreb has always been like that on high V levels.

Maybe you haven't noticed Max HP down?

Posting my findings as multibox setup. I've cleared prior all V15 multibox and it was challenging but this is on another level.

T1 all went well except gogmagog, almost timed out, these NM now seem to have some regen or something.

T2 - Done: Procne, Henwen, Giga
Procne - straightforward using arebati ranged strat, add didn't really harm the backline.
Henwen - Was kinda crazy, used blunt setup but somehow his aoe moves were destroying my setup, almost died but beat it eventually. Maybe move WHM outside of aoe? I thought to stay in for barrier cuz the add is unpredictable. Used PLD tank but lost hate when V15 I never lost hate before. Ochain should have blocked the hate reset but I guess not?
Giga - Was same setup as Henwen, blunt (MNK BLU with full support and RUN tank)

Trying other 3 and it's been hell.

Arist - Got to 35% then got wiped by high dmg, maybe from add or main NM. Standard slash setup, maybe need SMN to have earthen armor to block more dmg? Not sure

Kerbs - Couldn't nuke it down fast enough, it's like a mini-ongo at this point and not sure if I need to do 4 step SC like ongo with cor chaining with RUN?? Then add killed my BLM and backline .

Didn't try Rasko yet...

I don't know that Henwen has a hate reset on Barreling Smash. V15 didn't, so unless they added it with V20, the Monk (or whoever your buffed blunt DD was) usually just caps and steals hate at the wrong time. Can add SMN for Pacifying Ruby rotation so that it stays on the tank the whole time.

From the other thread, the adds give the NM's a large Regen so ignoring them might not be feasible sometimes.

Taking dmg makes you lose some hate, barreling smash does alot of dmg and makes people think its a hate reset, but its not.

The mob turns often even when it does little damage, when harder hits on other NMs don't. I'm pretty sure it's a partial hate reset.

Enmity loss due to damage is also a very weak effect in this era of FFXI compared to hate generation.

We focused on Marmorkrebs & Raskov for our T2's yesterday.
Raskov was a pushover atleast.

Marmorkrebs took us 3 attempts, and we beat it even tho Tank d/c'd. Scherzo the Tank to avoid Sundering Snip oneshotting. We basically gravity2'd it during no Tank moment and kite+sc+nuked it until Tank got back.

Setup Run Sch Blm Cor Brd Rdm.
Adds can be Slept/Enfeebed.
Sch+Cor Skillchain Numbing Shot > Water for Fragmentation and Wind Magic Burst's for Raskov
and Last Stand > Ionohelix for Impaction on Krebs

T1's we just Melee burned, Tank DD DD Cor Brd Rdm, and swapped 1 DD for Whm for Sgili and Gog.

Hey, look, a thread for Odyssey NM strategies and discussion. Wild.

For anyone reading in the future, this other thread ran off topic and has a ton of testimonials from when V20 difficulty was introduced.

Gotta keep the information spread out so one OP can't delete everyone's contributions...

Other thread is now locked with a post saying to use this one, sorry for the delay it is stupid to have 2 strat threads. https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/56435/odyssey-r25-confirmed-atm-now-maybe-30/15/#3608668

If someone enters a person with a V0 clear into a V15 they can get to rank 15, I think.

you can earn rp by failing any tier above v0, r15 augs dont need to be unlocked, just r20/25

That was a weird one wasn't it?

Just copying this over from the other thread so it isn't lost.

So we've cleared all the T3s and have been trying for Bumba. We haven't actually used Rdm at all, so maybe people may find this useful. It's a lot of text though, so yeah.

To recap T3 stuff:

Our general strats for the V20 T3s really haven't differed much from the usual strats you'd see for V15; however, we basically included some defensive buffs (mainly a Minne or two) on the backline and made sure to keep the add debuffed with what we had available (Elegy, Slow, Para, Bio) and just let it whack whoever. I can't remember all the specific songs as I wasn't Brd, but our dear sweet Reain told me he'd list the songs specifically; maybe he'll make an appearance here soon. >;) Our general thought process on songs though was to be more defensive on the backline than usual and only add in defensive songs on DD when we felt it necessary to survive.

Also just wanted to add that we have a truly excellent Whm in our group who really saves our *** a lot on the regular with these fights, so we may be a little lucky in that regard!

These are some quick briefs on each T3:

Kalunga
Whm/Run/War/Brd/Cor/Drk

Pretty typical strat. Run tanks, debuff the add and just let it hit whoever; it seems to consistently go after whoever was second on the hate list as it stayed up with the DD. Before changing to Drk, I did try Drg because Drg Naegling with Angon/Fly High eats Kalunga alive, especially on V15, but I found it more of a pain keeping my wyvern alive on V20 due to mata's AoE autos and changed to Drk for more simplicity. Soul Enslave is quite nice to prevent TP moves from firing too for a bit post 25%. The Bio II from Drk on the add was a nice plus. Overall, not too bad of a fight and somewhat fast.

Arebati
Sch/Run/Rng/Cor/Brd/Geo

Standard V15 strat, except we used Indi-Barrier and saved Bolster at 75% as well to help keep the backline safer. Our Brd did give the Geo/Sch/Brd a Minne or two as well; I'm sorry I can't remember specifics here. Combined with a good Regen/Embrava, the pig wasn't much of a threat as it pounded the backline although they did need an occasional cure. We found the regen on this one to be particularly awful and really dragged the fight on. Having a strong Rng/Cor seems rather key to help end the fight afap. Ideally take down the aura, but I don't believe we did on ours. However, it did have MDB- aura, which seemed to really rock our Run. I had to work my *** off overtime to keep the Run alive post 50%, and our Run is quite strong. Tank needs Panas, a lot of them. Time was crunched a bit due to the regen.

Xevioooosa, not Xevioso
Whm/Sch/Sam/War/Cor/Brd

This one wasn't so bad; we found we really like double healer on this one for V15 and it seemed to work well on V20 too. Brd did standard DD songs with Wind Carol and I believe Scherzo on the Sam/War to help with any random one-shots. In addition to March/Ballad, he did some Minnes on the backline to help with the Chapuli randomly hitting us. Chapuli hate seems pretty random, so to help cover the Whm; I did some AoE Blink/SS and Aquaveil as Sch to help prevent any random spell interrupts. Sch is basically there to help cover the Whm while also providing Regen/Embrava/random cures/enmity buffs etc. After making sure the backline was defensive, the fight was pretty standard and cleared with plenty of time.

Ngai
Whm/Cor/Brd/Blu/Mnk/War

As usual, we didn't stray much from our standard set up on this. Be sure to use Scherzo on DD. Our Blu opened with AoE MG and then AoE Barrier Tusk when reset. If further resets, would AoE Nature's Med provided the aura was not Att down (Nature's Med won't work otherwise). Blu would also assist with possible AoE cures when necessary to help cover Whm. I don't recall precisely how the add's hate was, but it definitely went after the backline eventually so you'll want to help buff the backline with a Minne or two. Our cor Tact'd the backline to help assist with auras like usual. Thinking about it now though, it'd probably be nice to Gallant's roll the backline as well for further protection. Overall wasn't too bad, but during our clear a couple of our DD did die right near the end and our Blu just solo'd it down with help from the Whm.

Mboze
Whm/Cor/Brd/Blu/Bst/Drk

Standard strat of no TPing; however, be sure to buff the backline with a couple Minnes. To help combat the regen, our Brd/Cor/Bst would occasionally run in to Savage; Icarus wings are nice for free dmg. Since it's so unlikely to TP from 100% -> 75%, this is a good time to try to get extra dmg from the non-drk. You could potentially TP off the add to help with this, but I don't think we ended up doing so. It is a race against the clock somewhat, so you'll want to be rather aggressive on Drk and be sure to make good use of Scarlet and Armor Break. You will need to reapply Armor Break mid-way so be sure to do so and be sure to keep Wind Thren up to help ensure it lands. I've grown pretty accustomed to being the Drk on Mboze and a couple things that might help others that I've found I really like to do are...

--Turn around, take off Cureskin, Scarlet in 0 armor and hope the Tree does one of its physical auto attacks (it seems like 2/3 are physical while one is magical? You'll want an attack where it whips you basically; the magical auto attack is quite weak). This consistently results in a heavy hit but has never killed, allowing for a huge Scarlet boost. Coordinate with your Whm so they don't Cureskin you right before the hit and are ready to cure you afterwards. I haven't tried any Dmg+% gear myself yet; I think it might get a little too risky then. It's safe to do this tactic on Mboze with LR up.
--I like to DS/NV Absorb-Vit at the start to help push dmg, but then I'll try to land Absorb-Agi (and other Absorbs during Invince). If a reset gets DS (and NV), I've found I really like doing Absorb-Agi to give us a greater safeguard from TP attacks. Post 50%, I prioritize that DS/NV Absorb-Agi is up and then go for Absorb-Vit with possible resets of DS. Judging from Soul Enslavement tp drains on auto hits, I've noticed the dAgi bonus from DS/NV Absorb-Agi seems to be about 9 tp fed less per hit (can't speak to its potency with Lib, but might be especially worth doing after reapplying Armor Break if you have it).

Normally we run a Scherzo on Drk jic a non-Timber TP move does fire off, but we eventually settled on an extra Minuet and just banked on no TP moves. Might be interesting to try an Agi Etude in place though, especially if you don't have Dagon or Father Time Path B. Try to keep Bio II on the add as well, a good time to apply could be during Invince.

Ongo
Sch/Cor/Brd/Geo/Blm/Run

Same deal, we did a standard Ongo but gave some Minnes to the backline to help deal with the Tulfaire, which was bouncing among the backline. The Bird is mostly harmless as long as defensive buffs/gear/debuffs are present. As Sch, be sure to make sure to keep up AoE Aquaveil to help ensure no spells are cucked by the Tulfaire. If you do get into danger on the backline, turtle up, cure or vile elixir if you have to. This one was surprising to us. We did first try going on Earthsday for the additional dmg and managed to get it to less than 10% a couple times, largely due to some scuffed SCs and lack of resets. We did give it a shot on Watersday though and won np with a few minutes to spare. I don't believe we had a 5/6 WC either, but we did have some good Rayke resets and our SCs weren't scuffed (Sch makes Grav, Run Steel Cyclones, Cor closes with WF; the Cor and Run would SC together if strats were down).
Side note: our Blm was using Raetic +1 and helped supplement MP at times with Coalition Ethers.

And then Bumba...

This thing just sucks ***. We did about 8~ attempts on it before getting tired; we're gonna shoot to try again tomorrow. There appears to be an absolute boatload of RNG involved and can't be simply steamrolled like on V15 (although some runs we kind of were steamrolling it still...? More on that.)

A few notes:

--It only appears to have 3 possible 2hrs it can use at V20, 2hrs we have seen:
Yaega
Brazen
PD
Edit 1/15: Saw Ele Sforzo the next day, likely can use all 6 2hrs!
-Yaega obv sucks ***. We saw this one the most, followed by Brazen, and only one PD out of our several attempts; RNG is RNG tho. Odds seem tho you aren't going to get the "good" 2hr. Bumba's 2hr does not appear to be linked to the type of add it spawns.

--It only seems capable of spawning 3 types of adds and only one add per fight; this add will be spawned once Bumba 2hrs at 74%~. We've seen the following:
Chapuli
Matamata
Craklaw
Edit 1/16: Saw the Raaz and Snapweed today, likely can summon any of the T2 adds!
-The Mata appeared to stay on the second person with hate, so it'd stay up with the DDs for us. The Chapuli and Craklaw appeared to have erratic hate though. The Raaz really sucks and goes in hard.

--Important!-- Unsurprisingly, it seems you WILL have to deal with fetters at some point, often around 50% or later. There wasn't nearly as much time to just kill it without worrying about fetters like on V15 (maybe about 2min roughly from pull on V20. It seemed to vary though for us; there might be other factors at play Edit 1/15: Appears it will spawn fetters 2min30sec~ from pull).
-Around post 50%, be ready for it to summon fetters if it hasn't already. At times though, there would just be one wave of fetters and they would go away for a while without us hitting any procs. It was pretty strange. Eventually though there would be fetters that would have a prolonged stay where you would need to try to proc it properly.

--All DD should bring several Panas at least to help the Whm. We noticed the fetters seemed to inflict an Att down effect that would bring your Att to 1 (believe this was present at V15 too), along with other parameter reductions (or maybe they're from a TP move from Bumba during fetters, really not sure); just bring Panas and use em, especially after Fetters.
-Denounce sucks, not really sure what causes it. It seems to use either Chastise or Denounce when fetters pop, so sometimes you won't see Denounce, at least not right away.

--Important!!-- SOMETHING appears capable of wiping RR, so try to be prepared for that. Not really sure what it is. Thought it was Denounce but doesn't seem to be. If you aren't ready though, it is possible to wipe with no RR, which happened to us on a run.
-One time after a wipe, I got up from Arise and my Reraise effect was immediately removed. Someone in our group said Bumba appeared to roar upon one of us getting back up, so maybe that triggered it? I wasn't looking at Bumba at the time, so totally unsure. At the time, Bumba was completely idle.

Party Setup:

Started with: War/Drg/Brd/Cor/Whm/Blu.
Then tried: War/Drg/Brd/Cor/Whm/Run
Settled on: War/Drg/Brd/Cor/Whm/Geo.
Edit 1/15: Won with War/Drk/Brd/Cor/Geo

We basically tried to emulate a more defensive standard V15 setup and just kill it fast with brute force. It... kind of worked. You'll likely want a set up with more finesse if you're aiming for a consistent clear.

Buffs we settled on:
-Food: Everyone ate Miso Ramen.
-Songs: SV/CC Honor/Minuetx3/Madrigal
-Rolls: Crooked Chaos + Sam
-Geo: Indi-Attunement + Geo-Fury, entrust Barrier/Str

When it comes to the traditional melee set up, the main issue we found with this fight is RNG regarding the fetters, specifically when it would use Denounce with the Fetters. Some runs, we would just be steamrolling it well past 50% and even past 25%. Eventually they would spawn and the results would be a mixed bag. Sometimes we could survive them without issue (Bolster Attunement appeared to help quite a bit). Other times, Bumba would use Denounce with the fetters, cutting our HP by 90% and then fetters would clean us up (with gear/buffs though, some of us could survive this combo still; again the swap to Geo helped a ton). The MEva- aura (and I'd imagine MDB- aura) really sucked though for this kind of strat however.

A couple oddities/reaching theories:

• One time, Bumba summoned Fetters around 50%~ish and Denounce'd, and the Denounce one-shot us all completely (like 3k+ dmg). No idea why, but it did have the Craklaw as its pet, so maybe that affected the properties of Denounce to be somewhat like Sundering Snip? This was the only Denounce that hit us like this of the night, afawr, and we did fight multiple Bumba's with Craklaw pets, so Idk.
  Edit 1/19: We've seen Denounce hit for fatal dmg (100%+ player health) several times now with different pets; still not sure why it does that sometimes. PD from Smn works to block the dmg though, maybe Scherzo/EA too, unsure.

• Further, I swear one time against a Bumba with a Chapuli pet, it summoned fetters around 50%~ish and we survived ok, but then it proceeded to spam the hell out of Chastise during the fetters, and this ultimately killed us. Maybe was just TP spam, maybe it was similar to a Chapuli's response to a player WSing it, Idfk. There was some weird *** ***that happened during this fight.
  Edit 1/19: Think this was simply TP spam, but holy ***was it spamming like crazy lol

LASTLY, a Tale of Woe:

We strongly think a typical melee set up could work on Bumba V20 (with some defensive adjustments in gear/food/geo buffs), as we did get close a few times out of 8~ runs/attempts, and ONE TIME we absolutely would have won BUT the Matamata add decided to use Debilitating Spout literally when Bumba was at 7% and it hit all of the melee (full dispel and zombie). It was the only TP move it used during the fight, completely caught us off guard, and we honestly think it was pure RNG that it just so happened to use its worst move at truly the worst time. It did not appear to be scripted. We even actually survived (minus the Cor), but simply couldn't rebuff properly to finish it off; it was truly one of the worst feelings we've had in recent years playing FFXI. Next time, we'd just account for this possibility and have the DD who has the Mata's attention go to the other side of Bumba or something, just keep it not facing all the other DD.

Possible setups/jobs to try:

• A Rng setup might work really well on this fight. Unsure how much of a DPS race it would be though. Perhaps the Whm could just MB Banish/Holy/Holy II if it's a MB proc? Not sure if MB dmg actually matters, just number of MBs.

• Smn might be a great choice for a melee centered fight. I feel like the combination of AF Wind's Blessing with Noctoshield could be a huge boon for fetters. Along with other useful Smn buffs, the possibility of using Perfect Defense (maybe even multiple times provided resets) could be super useful for dealing with the dangerous later portion of the fight.

Posted by others in the other thread, reposted for continuity, the regen provided by the add might have something to do with the faster boss clock on bumba.

Hello, I’m trying to solo rp farm t3 v15 on BST using ooze method but having trouble landing it.

Does anyone have the exact start down and how to land ooze? Also what’s the best trusts to use while trying to land ooze?

They do, was bugged when first came out where you could get rank 15 with V0 clear, but now you can just enter v15 to get rank 15 as far as i know, hence his post about inconsistent.

Run Wild
Familiar
Full Pet Magic Accuracy Set
Pet Magic Accuracy Food (Marine Stewpot so that it hits trusts, especially Rainemard since he uses Frazzle II and it's helpful to have it land)
*Preferably Master BST or some MLs added on
**Preferably MM45 or at least 38+ for survival/minor stat vomit

Summon Trust tanks to hold the monster, maybe some healers. Summon Rainemard. Engage boss for Tandem Strike, Fight with pet and attack once yourself to activate the bonus, then run out of range. Can try using Purulent Ooze a few times, carefully timing it between attacks, and if things get really bad, can Unleash > Purulent Ooze. You have to be really lucky to get it to land. I wasn't able to with everything I had on my BST, but apparently it can land on some bosses. But that's the basic rundown of it.

You don't need anything for r15, you could get r15 by winning v1 a ton of times, it doesnt have to be unlocked at all.

Even if you fail v5 on your first attempt after clearing v0, you get rp and can aug gear and the aug goes to r15, thats what happened with us on mboze when it first came out.

Was bugged when first came out where anyone with V0 clear could get to R15, since they ninja patched it people who had V0 clear can still get R15 but not if you beat V0 now. Now you need to enter V15 to get R15 as far as i know.