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By Lakshmi.Leosin 2020-04-24 16:29:17
Nothing he said is being taken out of context
That's the only part I can't agree with you on there Vic.
Trump puts out this face-palming scenario because he doesn't understand wth he's talking about but in no way was he telling people to actually inject themselves which is how it's being spun.
It would benefit him greatly if he curbed his ego and let the people responsible do the talking, but he doesn't seem to understand or be willing to do that.
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By Viciouss 2020-04-24 16:40:50
I mean, there is a reason the blowback is bipartisan. His comments were outrageous from the moment he started speaking. No, we cannot inject UV lights into the body to kill covid. No, we cannot use disinfectant on the body to kill covid. He wasn't even talking to the reporters, he was asking his own two people up there with him, so he can't play the sarcasm card either.
I've said repeatedly, stop the campaign briefings, if Trump doesn't want to be pushed back on everything he says, then he needs to leave it to the professionals, instead of insisting the spotlight remains fixated on him.
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By Viciouss 2020-04-24 16:42:02
I guess it's already that time of day for another campaign briefing, expect it to go bad quickly.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-24 17:01:49
OH ***! He straight *** bailed. NO QUESTIONS. COWARD!
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By Viciouss 2020-04-24 17:14:34
OH ***! He straight *** bailed. NO QUESTIONS. COWARD!
I mean, that's good. It's funny, but good for the country. We don't need to hear his opinions on anything right now. He isn't helping.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-24 17:21:32
I know right! His fragile ego must be absolutely shattered though.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-04-24 17:59:09
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-24 21:08:08
OH ***! He straight *** bailed. NO QUESTIONS. COWARD!
I mean, that's good. It's funny, but good for the country. We don't need to hear his opinions on anything right now. He isn't helping.
I think he knows his chances for reelection are in the toilet. He's floundering, unsure of the right thing to say. He's been taken to task repeatedly for his inappropriate responses to reporters with legitimate questions, and I'll bet he ran out today to avoid being made any more a fool than he already is.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-24 23:23:29
Also, Lysol had to put out a statement this morning advising people not to consume it product or use it to disinfect your body. Gee.
I don't blame them one bit. Stupid people do stupid ***and in the middle of a pandemic all common sense gets thrown out the window quicker than TP off the grocery store shelves!
This would be super cool and topically appropriate though.
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By Voren 2020-04-25 00:31:16
Nothing he said is being taken out of context
That's the only part I can't agree with you on there Vic.
Trump puts out this face-palming scenario because he doesn't understand wth he's talking about but in no way was he telling people to actually inject themselves which is how it's being spun.
It would benefit him greatly if he curbed his ego and let the people responsible do the talking, but he doesn't seem to understand or be willing to do that.
He in fact didn't make a suggestion, he actually asked a question.
Direct quote from the video:
"then I see the disinfectant where, where it knocks it out in one minute and (he turns and looks to his right while speaking) is there a way where we can do something like that by injection inside or almost of cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number long so it'd be interesting to check that so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with but it sounds, it sounds interesting to me so we'll see"
The liberals are taking this as a suggestion to start injecting, the conservatives and Trumpettes are taking this as a "he didn't mean go and inject yourself"
It should be taken as "Jesus-***-*** Trump's a goddamn moron for asking about injecting disinfectant, god I hope some people actually do this, let the culling begin. Sit down Trump and let the actual people with actual medical backgrounds do the briefings you walking turd."
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By Viciouss 2020-04-25 01:04:46
Transcript of WH briefing on April 23
Here is the very long transcript of the actual briefing. The undersecretary Bill Bryan does a presentation of a new study. Its super obvious that Trump is hearing this for the first time ever, along with the rest of the world. To me thats unacceptable, he is the President, he should you know, prepare and study the material that is going to be presented to the world beforehand. Obviously, this should happen everyday in advance of every briefing, but lets be honest, it never happens with Trump. He isn't putting the work in.
Bryan's Presentation ACTING UNDER SECRETARY BRYAN: Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Thank you, Mr. President —
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Bill.
ACTING UNDER SECRETARY BRYAN: — for this opportunity to do this today.
Good afternoon everybody. My name is Bill Bryan and I lead the Science and Technology Directorate at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Over the last several months, we’ve intensified the Department’s R&D efforts to identify and deliver information that informs our response to COVID-19. S&T is working to identify, develop, deploy, and deploy the tools and information to support our response to this crisis.
As part of our efforts, we’re leveraging the unique capabilities of S&T’s National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center to study the biology of the COVID-19 virus. This center is a high-biocontainment laboratory located in Frederick, Maryland. It was established in the early 2000s, in response to the Amerithrax attacks, and where we study, characterize, analyze, and develop countermeasures for biological threats to the homeland. We work closely with the CDC, FDA, HHS, and also our Department of Defense colleagues and many others.
Yesterday, I shared the emerging results of our work that we’re doing now with the Coronavirus Task Force. And today, I would like to share certain trends that we believe are important.
If I may have the first slide, please. And while that’s coming up, our most striking observation to date is the powerful effect that solar light appears to have on killing the virus — both surfaces and in the air. We’ve seen a similar effect with both temperature and humidity as well, where increasing the temperature and humidity or both is generally less favorable to the virus.
So let me illustrate with this first slide. If you look to the right, you’ll see that term “half-life,” with a bunch of timestamps on there.
First, let me tell you what a “half-life” is. We don’t measure the virus as far as how long we live on the surface; we have to measure the decay of the virus in terms of its half-life, because we don’t know certain elements. We don’t know how much a person expectorates when he — when he spits — right? — when he sneezes, whatever the case may be. We don’t know how much virus is in there. So it’s — that has a long — a bearing on how long the virus is going to be alive and active. So we measure it in half life because half-life doesn’t change.
So if you look at an 18-hour half-life, what you’re basically saying is that every 18 hours, the virus — it’s the life of the virus is cut in half. So if you start with 1,000 particles of the virus, in 18 hours, you’re down to 500. And 18 hours after that, you’re down to 250, and so on and so forth. That’s important, as I explain in the rest of the chart.
If you look at the first three lines, when you see the word “surface,” we’re talking about nonporous surfaces: door handles, stainless steel. And if you look at the — as the temperature increases, as the humidity increases, with no sun involved, you can see how drastically the half-life goes down on that virus. So the virus is dying at a much more rapid pace, just from exposure to higher temperatures and just from exposure to humidity.
If you look at the fourth line, you inject summer — the sunlight into that. You inject UV rays into that. The same effects on line two — as 70 to 35 degrees with 80 percent humidity on the surface. And look at line four, but now you inject the sun. The half-life goes from six hours to two minutes. That’s how much of an impact UV rays has on the virus.
The last two lines are aerosols. What does it do in the air? We have a very unique capability — I was discussing this with the President prior to coming out; he wanted me to convey it to you — on how we do this. I believe we’re the only lab in the country that has this capability.
But if you can imagine a Home Depot bucket — a five-gallon Home Depot bucket — we’re able to take a particle — and this was developed and designed by our folks at the NBACC. We’re able to take a particle of a virus and suspend it in the air inside of this drum and hit it with various temperatures, various humidity levels, multiple different kinds of environmental conditions, to include sunlight. And we’re able to measure the decay of that virus while it’s suspended in the air. This is how we do our aerosol testing.
We worked with John Hopkin Applied Physics Lab, and we actually developed a larger drum to do actually more testing. And it’s four times the size of that. So this is the capability that we bring to this effort.
So, in summary, within the conditions we’ve tested to date, the virus in droplets of saliva survives best in indoors and dry conditions. The virus does not survive as well in droplets of saliva. And that’s important because a lot of testing being done is not necessarily being done, number one, with the COVID-19 virus, and number two, in saliva or respiratory fluids.
And thirdly, the virus dies the quickest in the presence of direct sunlight under these conditions. And when you — when you look at that chart, look at the aerosol as you breathe it; you put it in a room, 70 to 75 degrees, 20 percent humidity, low humidity, it lasts — the half-life is about an hour. But you get outside, and it cuts down to a minute and a half. A very significant difference when it gets hit with UV rays.
And, Mr. President, while there are many unknown links in the COVID-19 transmission chain, we believe these trends can support practical decision making to lower the risks associated with the virus.
If I can have my next slide.
And when that — while that comes up, you’ll see a number of some practical applications. For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus. And extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light.
We’re also testing disinfectants readily available. We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids. And I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes; isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing — just spraying it on and letting it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.
This is not the end of our work as we continue to characterize this virus and integrate our findings into practical applications to mitigate exposure and transmission. I would like to thank the President and thank the Vice President for their ongoing support and leadership to the department and for their work in addressing this pandemic. I would also like to thank the scientists, not only in S&T and the NBACC, but to the larger scientific and R&D community.
Thank you very much.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Bill.
Trump's first reaction: THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. So I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of, if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that too. It sounds interesting.
ACTING UNDER SECRETARY BRYAN: We’ll get to the right folks who could.
THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.
So we’ll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s — that’s pretty powerful.
Wat. No one said anything about A. injecting light into the body and certainly not B. Injecting disinfectant inside the body, particularly not the lungs! This is why Lysol had to put out a statement, why Governors had to put out their own statements, why these "questions" should have been asked behind closed doors during the prep time that Trump is clearly not participating in.
By Voren 2020-04-25 02:29:34
Wat. No one said anything about A. injecting light into the body and certainly not B. Injecting disinfectant inside the body, particularly not the lungs!
Yeah, no one said it, Trump ASKED A QUESTION. He didn't make a suggestion, he clearly was asking IF it could be made into an injection. Reading comprehension level: 1st grade.
This is why Lysol had to put out a statement, why Governors had to put out their own statements, why these "questions" should have been asked behind closed doors during the prep time that Trump is clearly not participating in.
No, Lysol, and every other producer of chemicals that cause adverse effects if ingested by living beings, place warning labels on their products because people often suffer from a little known medical condition called: *** stupid. People are dumb, plain and simple.
By Viciouss 2020-04-25 08:15:23
lol, I never said he made a suggestion to ingest it. Also, yes, Lysol issued a public statement yesterday, that wasn't a coincidence.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-25 09:43:50
Wow, confirmation bias journalism at its finest. NYDN is trash.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-04-25 13:43:22
Wow, confirmation bias journalism at its finest. NYDN is trash. Its a tabloid, what do you expect from a tabloid? Journalism or something?
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-25 14:06:00
Wow, confirmation bias journalism at its finest. NYDN is trash.
The NYDN is quite the step up from the Daily Mail though, isn't it? Pot meet kettle.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-25 14:15:06
Wow, confirmation bias journalism at its finest. NYDN is trash.
The NYDN is quite the step up from the Daily Mail though, isn't it? Pot meet kettle.
No, they're both garbage. But clearly you can't differentiate between the source of the content and the people reporting it. If the story is cited, it doesn't matter if it's the Associated Press or your crazy uncle reporting it. You can verify the claims for yourself. The NYDN reported a "spike" with no supporting evidence to draw causation but tried to insinuate that there was anyway. My Daily Mail piece was drawn from a cited source with a verbatim video. Two completely different things.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-25 15:19:49
Wow, confirmation bias journalism at its finest. NYDN is trash.
The NYDN is quite the step up from the Daily Mail though, isn't it? Pot meet kettle.
No, they're both garbage. But clearly you can't differentiate between the source of the content and the people reporting it. If the story is cited, it doesn't matter if it's the Associated Press or your crazy uncle reporting it. You can verify the claims for yourself. The NYDN reported a "spike" with no supporting evidence to draw causation but tried to insinuate that there was anyway. My Daily Mail piece was drawn from a cited source with a verbatim video. Two completely different things.
I'll agree that they are both garbage, but spinning to make one seem more credible than the other is absurd. The Larry King clip makes no mention of Joe Biden, nor any type of sexual assault. The Daily Mail is a rag because it takes that clip and puts a biased spin on it to sell its publication.
By Viciouss 2020-04-25 15:23:16
Seems like Trump has gone into hiding this weekend after the severe backlash he brought on himself on Thursday. Not really a bad thing all things considering.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-25 15:43:13
Wow, confirmation bias journalism at its finest. NYDN is trash.
The NYDN is quite the step up from the Daily Mail though, isn't it? Pot meet kettle.
No, they're both garbage. But clearly you can't differentiate between the source of the content and the people reporting it. If the story is cited, it doesn't matter if it's the Associated Press or your crazy uncle reporting it. You can verify the claims for yourself. The NYDN reported a "spike" with no supporting evidence to draw causation but tried to insinuate that there was anyway. My Daily Mail piece was drawn from a cited source with a verbatim video. Two completely different things.
I'll agree that they are both garbage, but spinning to make one seem more credible than the other is absurd. The Larry King clip makes no mention of Joe Biden, nor any type of sexual assault. The Daily Mail is a rag because it takes that clip and puts a biased spin on it to sell its publication.
The victim is retweeting the Larry King video clip over and over again on her Twitter. It’s pretty frickin’ clear that her mother’s comments and the assault accusation are related or she wouldn’t be doing it. Unless you’re accusing the victim of biased spin, you have no leg left to stand on.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-25 16:15:39
Wow, confirmation bias journalism at its finest. NYDN is trash.
The NYDN is quite the step up from the Daily Mail though, isn't it? Pot meet kettle.
No, they're both garbage. But clearly you can't differentiate between the source of the content and the people reporting it. If the story is cited, it doesn't matter if it's the Associated Press or your crazy uncle reporting it. You can verify the claims for yourself. The NYDN reported a "spike" with no supporting evidence to draw causation but tried to insinuate that there was anyway. My Daily Mail piece was drawn from a cited source with a verbatim video. Two completely different things.
I'll agree that they are both garbage, but spinning to make one seem more credible than the other is absurd. The Larry King clip makes no mention of Joe Biden, nor any type of sexual assault. The Daily Mail is a rag because it takes that clip and puts a biased spin on it to sell its publication.
The victim is retweeting the Larry King video clip over and over again on her Twitter. It’s pretty frickin’ clear that her mother’s comments and the assault accusation are related or she wouldn’t be doing it. Unless you’re accusing the victim of biased spin, you have no leg left to stand on.
Wrong, it is 100% assumption that the clip has anything to do with a purported sexual assault. Like you mentioned earlier, if you are going to take her at her word, then you must also accept the word of the following: Jill Harth, E. Jean Carroll, Summer Zervos, Alva Johnson, Jessica Leeds, Kristin Anderson, Lisa Boyne, Cathy Heller, Temple Taggart McDowell, Karena Virginia, Mindy McGillivray, Jennifer Murphy, Rachel Crooks, Natasha Stoynoff, Juliet Huddy, Jessica Drake, Ninni Laaksonen, Cassandra Searles, Mariah Billado, Victoria Hughes, Bridget Sullivan, Tasha Dixon, Samantha Holvey.
All these women have been sexually assaulted by Trump.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-25 17:28:53
Wow, confirmation bias journalism at its finest. NYDN is trash.
The NYDN is quite the step up from the Daily Mail though, isn't it? Pot meet kettle.
No, they're both garbage. But clearly you can't differentiate between the source of the content and the people reporting it. If the story is cited, it doesn't matter if it's the Associated Press or your crazy uncle reporting it. You can verify the claims for yourself. The NYDN reported a "spike" with no supporting evidence to draw causation but tried to insinuate that there was anyway. My Daily Mail piece was drawn from a cited source with a verbatim video. Two completely different things.
I'll agree that they are both garbage, but spinning to make one seem more credible than the other is absurd. The Larry King clip makes no mention of Joe Biden, nor any type of sexual assault. The Daily Mail is a rag because it takes that clip and puts a biased spin on it to sell its publication.
The victim is retweeting the Larry King video clip over and over again on her Twitter. It’s pretty frickin’ clear that her mother’s comments and the assault accusation are related or she wouldn’t be doing it. Unless you’re accusing the victim of biased spin, you have no leg left to stand on.
Wrong, it is 100% assumption that the clip has anything to do with a purported sexual assault. Like you mentioned earlier, if you are going to take her at her word, then you must also accept the word of the following: Jill Harth, E. Jean Carroll, Summer Zervos, Alva Johnson, Jessica Leeds, Kristin Anderson, Lisa Boyne, Cathy Heller, Temple Taggart McDowell, Karena Virginia, Mindy McGillivray, Jennifer Murphy, Rachel Crooks, Natasha Stoynoff, Juliet Huddy, Jessica Drake, Ninni Laaksonen, Cassandra Searles, Mariah Billado, Victoria Hughes, Bridget Sullivan, Tasha Dixon, Samantha Holvey.
All these women have been sexually assaulted by Trump.
I never said she was assaulted by Biden, because I don’t know. Just like you don’t know if any of those women were assaulted, even though you claimed such. Just don’t take it so personally every time Biden gets accused, because the shoe is on the other foot sometimes. Deal with it.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-25 17:47:32
I never said she was assaulted by Biden, because I don’t know.
It sure does sound that way from your initial post, you discuss it as if it is a matter-of-fact:
At least it helps to dispel any notion that her accusation was conjured out of thin air. Whatever the problem was 27 years ago, it was bad enough that she confided in her mother about it and it made her mother upset enough to spam calls to Larry King's show until she got through.
Just don’t take it so personally every time Biden gets accused, because the shoe is on the other foot sometimes. Deal with it.
Not taking it personally, just calling hypocrisy when it rears its ugly head.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-25 18:40:56
I never said she was assaulted by Biden, because I don’t know.
It sure does sound that way from your initial post, you discuss it as if it is a matter-of-fact:
At least it helps to dispel any notion that her accusation was conjured out of thin air. Whatever the problem was 27 years ago, it was bad enough that she confided in her mother about it and it made her mother upset enough to spam calls to Larry King's show until she got through.
Just don’t take it so personally every time Biden gets accused, because the shoe is on the other foot sometimes. Deal with it.
Not taking it personally, just calling hypocrisy when it rears its ugly head.
/sigh.
Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. You read what you want to read, and nobody can tell you any different even when everyone else seems to understand just fine.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-25 19:21:53
I never said she was assaulted by Biden, because I don’t know.
It sure does sound that way from your initial post, you discuss it as if it is a matter-of-fact:
At least it helps to dispel any notion that her accusation was conjured out of thin air. Whatever the problem was 27 years ago, it was bad enough that she confided in her mother about it and it made her mother upset enough to spam calls to Larry King's show until she got through.
Just don’t take it so personally every time Biden gets accused, because the shoe is on the other foot sometimes. Deal with it.
Not taking it personally, just calling hypocrisy when it rears its ugly head.
/sigh.
Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. You read what you want to read, and nobody can tell you any different even when everyone else seems to understand just fine.
No, quite the opposite. You called Chanti out for posting a tabloid source, and then you did the exact same thing moments later. You always go off on these tangents during the conversation to deflect focus elsewhere. Everyone else seems to understand just fine.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-25 19:33:59
I never said she was assaulted by Biden, because I don’t know.
It sure does sound that way from your initial post, you discuss it as if it is a matter-of-fact:
At least it helps to dispel any notion that her accusation was conjured out of thin air. Whatever the problem was 27 years ago, it was bad enough that she confided in her mother about it and it made her mother upset enough to spam calls to Larry King's show until she got through.
Just don’t take it so personally every time Biden gets accused, because the shoe is on the other foot sometimes. Deal with it.
Not taking it personally, just calling hypocrisy when it rears its ugly head.
/sigh.
Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. You read what you want to read, and nobody can tell you any different even when everyone else seems to understand just fine.
No, quite the opposite. You called Chanti out for posting a tabloid source, and then you did the exact same thing moments later. You always go off on these tangents during the conversation to deflect focus elsewhere. Everyone else seems to understand just fine.
Well, you just proved my point, because I didn’t call Chanti out for the source. I called her out for the content within the source. Subtle difference, but I guess that’s why you didn’t pick that up. Subtlety isn’t your strong suit.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-25 20:48:00
I never said she was assaulted by Biden, because I don’t know.
It sure does sound that way from your initial post, you discuss it as if it is a matter-of-fact:
At least it helps to dispel any notion that her accusation was conjured out of thin air. Whatever the problem was 27 years ago, it was bad enough that she confided in her mother about it and it made her mother upset enough to spam calls to Larry King's show until she got through.
Just don’t take it so personally every time Biden gets accused, because the shoe is on the other foot sometimes. Deal with it.
Not taking it personally, just calling hypocrisy when it rears its ugly head.
/sigh.
Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. You read what you want to read, and nobody can tell you any different even when everyone else seems to understand just fine.
No, quite the opposite. You called Chanti out for posting a tabloid source, and then you did the exact same thing moments later. You always go off on these tangents during the conversation to deflect focus elsewhere. Everyone else seems to understand just fine.
Well, you just proved my point, because I didn’t call Chanti out for the source. I called her out for the content within the source. Subtle difference, but I guess that’s why you didn’t pick that up. Subtlety isn’t your strong suit.
lol, riiiiiight, so subtle it's irrelevant.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-04-25 21:22:27
Wow, confirmation bias journalism at its finest. NYDN is trash. Its a tabloid, what do you expect from a tabloid? Journalism or something? Looks like source from this...
When you have to talk trump do it here.
Positive, negative, I don't care.
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