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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-19 14:15:38
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Because sharing a random image you found on Google is so much easier than refuting a point on a topic you know nothing about.

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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-19 14:19:04
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Uhh, that’s not related to their polls. RCP just gives them straight. 538 weighs them according to various criteria, giving more room for bias.

Quite the opposite. RCP was dinged for failing fact checks, thereby resulting in a lower rating of "mostly factual." To put in in simple terms, RCP has some questionable sources for data used in their polling...so it isn't trustworthy.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-19 14:32:06
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Where does your link say anything about polls? RCP isn't just a poll aggregate, it's an aggregate for various media articles and opinion pieces. Fivethirtyeight does some of the same. Every poll that RCP uses Fivethirtyeight uses too. So if their polls are from "questionable sources" then Fivethirtyeight isn't any different.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-19 14:51:29
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Where does your link say anything about polls? RCP isn't just a poll aggregate, it's an aggregate for various media articles and opinion pieces.

Ahhh...so your premise is that the "questionable" data obtained by RCP is being used for something else on their site, and that their polling data is pure and clean. Have I got that right?

Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Every poll that RCP uses Fivethirtyeight uses too. So if their polls are from "questionable sources" then Fivethirtyeight isn't any different.

Seems to me that if they use the same polls, and yet their aggregate numbers come out different from one another, something is fishy. When checked, it was determined that RCP's numbers were unable to be fact checked, whereas 538 had proper sourcing for their information.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-19 14:58:32
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Where does your link say anything about polls? RCP isn't just a poll aggregate, it's an aggregate for various media articles and opinion pieces.

Ahhh...so your premise is that the "questionable" data obtained by RCP is being used for something else on their site, and that their polling data is pure and clean. Have I got that right?

Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Every poll that RCP uses Fivethirtyeight uses too. So if their polls are from "questionable sources" then Fivethirtyeight isn't any different.

Seems to me that if they use the same polls, and yet their aggregate numbers come out different from one another, something is fishy. When checked, it was determined that RCP's numbers were unable to be fact checked, whereas 538 had proper sourcing for their information.

The only thing that is fishy is that you have no clue what you're talking about. When you go to the RCP site and see their polls, there are links that take you directly to the polling outfits that performed the polls. The numbers used on RCP's site are those very numbers.

538 uses the numbers from the same polling outfits (and more), manipulates them on various criteria, and uses those manipulated numbers in their aggregates.

Where on Earth are you seeing that RCP's polling numbers couldn't be "fact-checked" while 538's could? If you're talking about the media bias thing you shared, it doesn't say that .
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-04-19 20:04:35
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OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE TRANSCRIPT — UNEDITED.

REPORTER: I wanted to ask you specifically about one industry in particular, and that’s food-processing plants. Is there a priority to get testing at food-processing plants all across the country?

TRUMP: “Well, you’re asking that because of what happened — it’s a fair question, too — what happened in Denver. Because in Denver, I’ve never seen — I said, “What’s going on?” We’re looking at this graph where everything’s looking beautiful and it’s coming down and then you got this one spike. It’s — I said, “What happened to Denver?”

And many people, very quickly, and they — by the way, they were on it like, so fast, you wouldn’t believe it. They knew every aspect. They had people go and — not only testing, “Who did you see? Where were you? How many people did you meet? Were you out to dinner in somebody else’s home? Where were you?” Where did — where did this number of people come from? How did — they are totally on it.

Now, this just happened. I just saw it this morning. I’m looking at everything smooth, going down, topping out. And then you have this one spike in Denver. It’s like, where did this come from?

So we’ll be looking at that. And we don’t want cases like that happening. This was — but this — this is the kind of thing can happen. This is very complex.

This is a very brilliant enemy. You know, it’s a brilliant enemy. They develop drugs like the antibiotics. You see it. Antibiotics used to solve every problem. Now one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it. And they’re constantly trying to come up with a new — people go to a hospital and they catch — they go for a heart operation — that’s no problem, but they end up dying from — from problems. You know the problems I’m talking about. There’s a whole genius to it.

We’re fighting — not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart. Okay? It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s — it’s very smart. And you see that in a case like a Denver.

But, you know, I think we’re doing well, and they’re on Denver like you wouldn’t believe. I came in this morning; it was a flurry. I said what’s going on? They said, “Denver.” I said, “What happened to Denver?” Because Denver was doing pretty well. And they’ve got that under control. But, yeah, that would be a case where you do some very big testing.”

If you’ve made it this far, please keep in mind that the Smithfield meat processing plant that has become a COVID-19 hotspot, and precipitated the reporter’s question, is in South Dakota, not Denver. And antibiotics have never solved viruses.
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By Viciouss 2020-04-19 20:25:28
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Wtf? Where did he get Denver from?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-19 20:30:06
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I do wonder if Trump was just conflating two actual events, which makes me wonder if there is/was something else going on in Denver.

Either way, it's practically unreadable and obviously antibiotics don't do squat against viruses. All I gotta say is that there are going to be some interesting debates if we ever get to them. It'll just be a battle of who can keep it together longer.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-04-19 20:50:00
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Wtf? Where did he get Denver from?
D. Dakota = Denver. Senility does strange things to the mind.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-19 21:19:05
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lol, conflating his mental debilities and lack of leadership skills.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-19 21:34:26
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Being that ignorant just plays to his base. How many trump voters do you think can tell the difference between (or care about) any state between california and new york.

And they don't know their own *** from a hole in the ground. You think screwing up antibiotics and antivirals matters? They can't pronounce either one.
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By Viciouss 2020-04-19 21:40:50
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His next answer was probably just as terrible, I understand why networks don't even televise them anymore.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-19 21:45:32
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Ratings. Idiots watch trump pseudo-rallies like it's NASCAR.

I mean, those hissyfits are the rough equivalent of a car crash... given circumstances.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-19 21:49:10
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Being that ignorant just plays to his base. How many trump voters do you think can tell the difference between (or care about) any state between california and new york.

And they don't know their own *** from a hole in the ground. You think screwing up antibiotics and antivirals matters? They can't pronounce either one.

These types of comments are incredibly bigoted and unproductive.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-19 21:49:33
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-19 21:57:14
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For what it's worth biggoted and unproductive is an apt description of trump supporters.

It's not like something as silly as facts are going to change their minds after all.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-19 22:00:58
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For what it's worth biggoted and unproductive is an apt description of trump supporters.

It's not like something as silly as facts are going to change their minds after all.

It's worth nothing, because you're basically admitting hypocrisy.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-19 22:03:41
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Just like everyone else. The United States of Hypocrisy.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-19 22:25:12
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Hmm. Clarify this, because I'm not sure I have you pegged yet. Do you say outrageous things knowing that they're full of crap? You seem to have a sense of self-awareness, so that will somewhat influence how I respond to your posts. It doesn't seem like you come here for discussion, it's more like a stream-of-conscious outlet kinda like how Fone operated most of the time.

If you truly are self-aware, it's probably best that you exercise some caution because you seem to be on a lot of people's hit lists outside of P&R.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-19 23:02:12
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Hmm. Clarify this, because I'm not sure I have you pegged yet. Do you say outrageous things knowing that they're full of crap? You seem to have a sense of self-awareness, so that will somewhat influence how I respond to your posts. It doesn't seem like you come here for discussion, it's more like a stream-of-conscious outlet kinda like how Fone operated most of the time.

If you truly are self-aware, it's probably best that you exercise some caution because you seem to be on a lot of people's hit lists outside of P&R.

Did you mean to discuss the opinion/comment made by Eiryl, or rather them personally? You want to peg Eiryl, calling them full of crap, and comparing them to a previously banned poster?

...and what is with that hit-list comment, suggesting potential murder? Perhaps you need to be reported to your local authorities for even saying something like that.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-19 23:08:38
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1/10 for post, 2/10 for effort. I'm talking to Eiryl, if he has an issue he is welcome to voice it.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-19 23:17:58
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Only thing I need to say is you really shouldn't try to make it about me. No faster way to a topic ban.

While I think it's hilarious. The projecting. The "no ur projecting about me projecting" ad-nausium.

Talk about unproductive? Then be unproductive? Who's the hypocrite now?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-19 23:25:27
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Only thing I need to say is you really shouldn't try to make it about me. No faster way to a topic ban.

While I think it's hilarious. The projecting. The "no ur projecting about me projecting" ad-nausium.

Talk about unproductive? Then be unproductive? Who's the hypocrite now?

This answered my question.

Back to the topic then, but if you’re going to do nothing but launch insults don’t be upset if it comes back around. I should note that we’ve had temp-bans for people simply saying “liberalism is a mental disorder”, so your style of posting isn’t immune and you should probably step off your high horse.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-20 09:08:30
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I didn't take the picture. The headline it was under was exactly:

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And there it is. Flag flown during Michigan protest in Lansing yesterday
Not my headline.

Someone else posted it in bad faith. That'll happen sometimes.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-20 09:19:23
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These are still from michigan. Not much better.



Trump supporters projecting nazi(ism) onto Whitmer.
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Fox News host defended anti-lockdown protesters carrying Confederate flags and falsely accused Michigan's governor of calling them Nazis
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