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ALL TRUMP!!! ALL THE TIME!!!
Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-05-28 11:32:38
So if you say one nice thing about Trump
If he said anything positive about President Trump he would be thrown out of his social circle and all his friends would leave him. Saying anything positive about Trump is tantamount to disavowal of the progressive ideological movement and rejecting the Democrat party. It's a religious cult, cults don't allow members to question or dispute the dictates set by the leaders.
This radical fanaticism is what created..
Democrats: Good
Republicans: Bad
Orange Man: VERY BAD!!!!
Once the less fanatical membership overthrow the cult leaders we can start seeing sanity from the left.
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By Viciouss 2020-05-28 11:35:28
Well... actually there IS a pro truth bias. And conservatives are anti truth. So it winds up looking a lot like an anti consertive bias.
And Saevel just dumbed the conversation down even further, as we we remain in the muck....
Yep.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-05-28 11:48:11
Well... actually there IS a pro truth bias. And conservatives are anti truth. So it winds up looking a lot like an anti consertive bias.
And Saevel just dumbed the conversation down even further, as we we remain in the muck....
Yep.
I'm going to request that you don't screw with my quotes without a strike unless it's blatantly obvious enough that non-P&R people could figure it out without seeing the original.
By Viciouss 2020-05-28 11:50:38
I'm too lazy to remember such things!
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-28 12:04:20
Well... actually there IS a pro truth bias. And conservatives are anti truth. So it winds up looking a lot like an anti consertive bias.
And Saevel just dumbed the conversation down even further, as we we remain in the muck....
Yep.
I'm going to request that you don't screw with my quotes without a strike unless it's blatantly obvious enough that non-P&R people could figure it out without seeing the original.
You cannot expect basic common courtesy from indignant children.
By Viciouss 2020-05-28 12:09:56
Lol, still in the muck. It seems like Commodus is determined to keep us there, and of course the coward Saevel has to chime in.
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By Bismarck.Josiahflaming 2020-05-28 12:59:28
Wow Minneapolis is exploding over those cops murdering George Floyd. Its boiling over in LA too. Clearly, a murder charge is warranted, What's taking so long?
Probably should make a new thread for this, I would say that the DA would need to present an airtight case, perhaps even force a plea deal. They're having to go up against a union as well with their own attorneys.
My time working in a prison and jail I've had uses of force. I've put people on the ground and handcuffed them. The difference was that once handcuffed I also sat them up and didn't continue applying pressure to their neck and torso. I was always aware of positional asphyxiation and "reasonable and necessary". Some times pressure points were used to gain compliance (stand up, sit down, don't spit on me).
I'm waiting to see 1: if they're charged, 2: which ones are charged, and 3: what the charge(s) will be.
Hard to say, but I would put this one in a different league from most of the other police brutality instances that have hit major news. I'm no defense lawyer, but I imagine the one working this case is really going to have his job cut out for him. I expect prison time for the main policeman. I think he will see prison time, but I don’t think nearly enough of it to rehabilitate.
By Viciouss 2020-05-28 13:07:49
They say the FBI is getting involved and it's a top priority case blah blah blah. Still no arrests. What more evidence do you need, the guy was choked out for 8 minutes while begging for his life.
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-05-28 13:54:10
Bismarck.Josiahflaming said: »Wow Minneapolis is exploding over those cops murdering George Floyd. Its boiling over in LA too. Clearly, a murder charge is warranted, What's taking so long?
Probably should make a new thread for this, I would say that the DA would need to present an airtight case, perhaps even force a plea deal. They're having to go up against a union as well with their own attorneys.
My time working in a prison and jail I've had uses of force. I've put people on the ground and handcuffed them. The difference was that once handcuffed I also sat them up and didn't continue applying pressure to their neck and torso. I was always aware of positional asphyxiation and "reasonable and necessary". Some times pressure points were used to gain compliance (stand up, sit down, don't spit on me).
I'm waiting to see 1: if they're charged, 2: which ones are charged, and 3: what the charge(s) will be.
Hard to say, but I would put this one in a different league from most of the other police brutality instances that have hit major news. I'm no defense lawyer, but I imagine the one working this case is really going to have his job cut out for him. I expect prison time for the main policeman. I think he will see prison time, but I don’t think nearly enough of it to rehabilitate.
Well, prisons don’t do a great job of rehabilitating regardless of the time spent there, but that’s a topic for another day....
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-05-28 14:42:58
Idiot in Chief doing his live signing of executive order against social media at 4 EST
By volkom 2020-05-28 15:22:24
Bismarck.Josiahflaming said: »Wow Minneapolis is exploding over those cops murdering George Floyd. Its boiling over in LA too. Clearly, a murder charge is warranted, What's taking so long?
Probably should make a new thread for this, I would say that the DA would need to present an airtight case, perhaps even force a plea deal. They're having to go up against a union as well with their own attorneys.
My time working in a prison and jail I've had uses of force. I've put people on the ground and handcuffed them. The difference was that once handcuffed I also sat them up and didn't continue applying pressure to their neck and torso. I was always aware of positional asphyxiation and "reasonable and necessary". Some times pressure points were used to gain compliance (stand up, sit down, don't spit on me).
I'm waiting to see 1: if they're charged, 2: which ones are charged, and 3: what the charge(s) will be.
Hard to say, but I would put this one in a different league from most of the other police brutality instances that have hit major news. I'm no defense lawyer, but I imagine the one working this case is really going to have his job cut out for him. I expect prison time for the main policeman. I think he will see prison time, but I don’t think nearly enough of it to rehabilitate.
Well, prisons don’t do a great job of rehabilitating regardless of the time spent there, but that’s a topic for another day....
I want to know how the guy goes from being walked in handcuffs to on the ground. All the clips I'm finding only show those two moments but not the in between. Why the need for 4 officers at the scene too? Think there's a lot of missing info about this story.
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By Lakshmi.Leosin 2020-05-28 15:46:36
I want to know how the guy goes from being walked in handcuffs to on the ground. All the clips I'm finding only show those two moments but not the in between. Why the need for 4 officers at the scene too? Think there's a lot of missing info about this story.
Voren posted a video in the other thread that shows the minutes up to that point.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-05-28 15:50:38
Bismarck.Josiahflaming said: »Wow Minneapolis is exploding over those cops murdering George Floyd. Its boiling over in LA too. Clearly, a murder charge is warranted, What's taking so long?
Probably should make a new thread for this, I would say that the DA would need to present an airtight case, perhaps even force a plea deal. They're having to go up against a union as well with their own attorneys.
My time working in a prison and jail I've had uses of force. I've put people on the ground and handcuffed them. The difference was that once handcuffed I also sat them up and didn't continue applying pressure to their neck and torso. I was always aware of positional asphyxiation and "reasonable and necessary". Some times pressure points were used to gain compliance (stand up, sit down, don't spit on me).
I'm waiting to see 1: if they're charged, 2: which ones are charged, and 3: what the charge(s) will be.
Hard to say, but I would put this one in a different league from most of the other police brutality instances that have hit major news. I'm no defense lawyer, but I imagine the one working this case is really going to have his job cut out for him. I expect prison time for the main policeman. I think he will see prison time, but I don’t think nearly enough of it to rehabilitate.
Well, prisons don’t do a great job of rehabilitating regardless of the time spent there, but that’s a topic for another day....
I want to know how the guy goes from being walked in handcuffs to on the ground. All the clips I'm finding only show those two moments but not the in between. Why the need for 4 officers at the scene too? Think there's a lot of missing info about this story.
The officers had body cameras running the whole time, so the whole story is definitely in Police hands. Originally the question was "will the Police hide the evidence with the blue wall or be honest with it". I think that question has been answered with the FBI getting involved and everyone in a position of power demanding a full investigation. The Police Chief won't be able to hand waive a "fear for their lives" or one of the many *** excuses they like to throw at the public. The contents of those body cameras are going to get out one way or the other.
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By Viciouss 2020-05-28 15:51:56
Idiot in Chief doing his live signing of executive order against social media at 4 EST
I guess this happened, but they haven't released the actual text of the order yet, because it's too embarrassing. He claimed it strips social media sites of their legal protections, but I can tell you right now it doesn't. Based on the draft text that leaked out, almost nothing in the text will stand up in any court. It's dead.
By Josiahafk 2020-05-28 16:44:49
Bismarck.Josiahflaming said: »Wow Minneapolis is exploding over those cops murdering George Floyd. Its boiling over in LA too. Clearly, a murder charge is warranted, What's taking so long?
Probably should make a new thread for this, I would say that the DA would need to present an airtight case, perhaps even force a plea deal. They're having to go up against a union as well with their own attorneys.
My time working in a prison and jail I've had uses of force. I've put people on the ground and handcuffed them. The difference was that once handcuffed I also sat them up and didn't continue applying pressure to their neck and torso. I was always aware of positional asphyxiation and "reasonable and necessary". Some times pressure points were used to gain compliance (stand up, sit down, don't spit on me).
I'm waiting to see 1: if they're charged, 2: which ones are charged, and 3: what the charge(s) will be.
Hard to say, but I would put this one in a different league from most of the other police brutality instances that have hit major news. I'm no defense lawyer, but I imagine the one working this case is really going to have his job cut out for him. I expect prison time for the main policeman. I think he will see prison time, but I don’t think nearly enough of it to rehabilitate.
Well, prisons don’t do a great job of rehabilitating regardless of the time spent there, but that’s a topic for another day.... Yeah I was thinking the same when I posted that lol, but went through with it anyway since that is the official line prison owners use.
Unofficially, “he won’t likely be too profitable to the prison labour system due to how short of a sentence likely to receive.”
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-05-28 17:12:42
Well... actually there IS a pro truth bias. And conservatives are anti truth. So it winds up looking a lot like an anti conservative bias. And Chanti just dumbed the conversation down even further, just as we were starting to climb back out of the muck.... Well... let's see.
Anti science? Conservatives. Science has too many inconvenient truths.
Anti education? Conservatives. Especially anti teaching critical thinking and civics. (Anyone else here remember civics classes?)
They make up lies like "massive voter fraud" and if called on it they just shout louder. If asked to prove it they slink off into the sunset. Yelling.
Conservatives have politicized a freaking pandemic. They lie about it all the time to the point that I wonder why they want their base to catch the virus. Oh... that comes under anti science, sorry.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-05-28 17:22:42
Well... actually there IS a pro truth bias. And conservatives are anti truth. So it winds up looking a lot like an anti conservative bias. And Chanti just dumbed the conversation down even further, just as we were starting to climb back out of the muck.... Well... let's see.
Anti science? Conservatives. Science has too many inconvenient truths.
Anti education? Conservatives. Especially anti teaching critical thinking and civics. (Anyone else here remember civics classes?)
They make up lies like "massive voter fraud" and if called on it they just shout louder. If asked to prove it they slink off into the sunset. Yelling.
Conservatives have politicized a freaking pandemic. They lie about it all the time to the point that I wonder why they want their base to catch the virus. Oh... that comes under anti science, sorry.
Wrong on so many levels. What even is the point of this? If you’re intent on making sweeping generalizations and defining conservatism by its extreme elements, then we could easily do the same to show how allergic to truth your most liberal compatriots are.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-05-28 18:35:29
OH!!! I forgot!!! Anti fact checking.
Not to mention magical thinking.
P. S. I know and like more than a few conservatives IRL. None of them are politicians*. If the extreme elements of conservatism are all politicians, the movement might be in trouble.
Please note, what I feel are the extreme elements on the right, like nazis, proud boys, the ones who invade state capitols armed as if for war, are not IMHO conservative.
*One is a 2ed amendment fundamentalist, but he does NOT demonstrate armed. He writes letters to elected officials and testifies in hearings.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-05-28 18:50:49
Anti science? Conservatives. Science has too many inconvenient truths.
Other way around with the bazillion genders and "hate facts" people.
Progressives only like Science when it supports them, otherwise they detest it as not "Politically Correct".
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-05-28 19:04:27
And don’t forget anti-math/economics for believing that you can fund 14+ digit socialist economic policies by just taxing the mega rich a little more.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-28 19:21:01
Well... actually there IS a pro truth bias. And conservatives are anti truth. So it winds up looking a lot like an anti conservative bias. And Chanti just dumbed the conversation down even further, just as we were starting to climb back out of the muck.... Well... let's see.
Anti science? Conservatives. Science has too many inconvenient truths.
Anti education? Conservatives. Especially anti teaching critical thinking and civics. (Anyone else here remember civics classes?)
They make up lies like "massive voter fraud" and if called on it they just shout louder. If asked to prove it they slink off into the sunset. Yelling.
Conservatives have politicized a freaking pandemic. They lie about it all the time to the point that I wonder why they want their base to catch the virus. Oh... that comes under anti science, sorry.
You live in bizarro world. Your statements are so preposterous it's difficult to believe that you're legally an adult.
"Anti-education?" You believe that all conservatives are against people being educated?
"Anti-science?" You believe that all conservatives are against the practice of science?
"Anti-critical thinking?" You believe that all conservatives are against the practice of critical thinking?
"Anti-facts?" You believe that all conservatives are against facts?
"Anti-civics?" You believe that all conservatives are against the study of civics?
Do you genuinely believe that voter fraud doesn't exist?
Do you really believe that coronavirus has not been politicized?
If you really believe these things at your age, then it's likely that your mind is too far gone to be saved.
There are thousands of documented cases of voter fraud that have been tried and convicted, many more held up in court, and an unknown amount that are never pursued. How many actual speeders get caught? Jaywalkers? Shoplifters? Murderers? Rapists? Almost 40% of murders go unsolved. Leftists claim that there's "systemic rape," but they can't prove it because most rapes go unreported... and literally screech about it and shout people down in public, but somehow you're unable to apply this logic to voter fraud? So in your mind, every other type of crime in existence can be severely under-reported and under-convicted, EXCEPT voter fraud because... because? Because your cult brainwashed you into believing this one thing that protects their leaders. Show me one video of conservatives shouting people down over a voter fraud argument. I can show you a hundred videos of leftists screaming people down and physically attacking people over nonsensical, fake causes they've been brainwashed into believing.
Look up the definition of "magical thinking." You're not using it correctly.
Practically guaranteed you'll "slink away" instead of even trying to respond intelligently to any of this.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-05-28 19:21:39
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy/2018/03/04/cognitive-dissonance-helps-explain-why-we-hate-to-hear-the-truth/#6563ea632558
People in general are allergic to the truth, it's painful to be told your not special, unique or have value. It's unthinkable for people to imagine they might actually be wrong about something, especially something as fundamental as a belief. Beliefs can come in many forms but all follow the same patterns and we could go into a multi-week long discussion on the topic.
Suffice to say that modern Progressive ideology is a religion and a fanatical one at that.
Radical Progressives...
These guys actually routinely hurt people. Anyone they think is a "natzi" gets beaten, with high praises from the liberal elites. Heck I have yet to hear any of the leftists her actually criticize the paramilitary arm of the Democrat Party.
The guys on the right, worst case is some country red necks shooting guys in the woods while whooping. Usually it's just a peaceful protect.
This is the "the ones who invade state capitols armed as if for war" that demonstrated in Richmond a few hours drive from here. Specifically they were demonstrating against some really dumb items, two of which are almost certainly unconstitutional. They discarded one and tweaked the other so that it wouldn't break the Due Process clause.
Oh noes, is that a Black man? He must not "really be black" huh.
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By Viciouss 2020-05-28 19:25:36
Still in the muck.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-28 19:31:19
Notice how the more people wake up to how insane and irrational the left has become, the more the left loses, the more desperate, deranged, and violent they become. They don't have any kind of coherent message or beliefs at this point; just a hodgepodge of unrelated, degenerate groups that hate themselves and seek to project their self-loathing onto others.
leftists in this thread: What do you actually believe in? We know what you hate, it's all you talk about (mean orange man, scary guns, bad conservatives). But what do you like and what do you believe in, specifically?
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-05-28 19:36:16
But what do you like and what do you believe in, specifically?
Something alone the lines of this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_society
By Voren 2020-05-29 04:05:27
I have yet to hear any of the leftists her actually criticize the paramilitary arm of the Democrat Party.
Since I've been accused of being more left than right I'll be more than happy to criticize these ***.
Every ANTIFA member and anyone who supports these no-talent ***-clowns need to be rounded up and beaten with a length of cut garden hose. Metal end included. They're domestic terrorists that show up to protests and flame the ***out of them.
That about cover it?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-05-29 06:08:48
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-05-29 06:14:15
So, let's run it back real quick.
Threatened other countries. Threatened our own country. Threatened individual states. Now threatening citizens.
But it's still ok right? He's still to lazy to carry out threats so it's fine.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-29 08:54:12
So, let's run it back real quick.
Threatened other countries. Threatened our own country. Threatened individual states. Now threatening citizens.
But it's still ok right? He's still to lazy to carry out threats so it's fine.
Post the actual "threats" you're talking about.
the left: "drumpf is a clown! he can't make states reopen, the governors are in charge and will SLAM DUNK him by doing whatever they want and keeping their states locked down! drumpf has no authority over teh states or governors!"
also the left: "drumpf is solely responsible for not locking all the states down. he personally killed 100,000 people with coronavirus."
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