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 Lakshmi.Elidyr
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2019-11-17 15:38:52
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In hindsight of all this and being banned, if you knew of an exploit now, what would you do?

Get it sorted again or burn the economy to the ground?
I'd still do what I did before, but it wouldn't get shared at all. I am who I am. I still never abused it to the levels that have gone on in the few days everything went down. I had more important ***going on with medical issues. I'm just curious by nature; I can't change who I am.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2019-11-17 15:39:34
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DirectX said: »
In hindsight of all this and being banned, if you knew of an exploit now, what would you do?

Get it sorted again or burn the economy to the ground?
I mean the economy has been burned to the ground since 2006. I think people either forget or weren't around but 2006-2007 the economy got *** before that it was stable.
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2019-11-17 15:40:13
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
DirectX said: »
In hindsight of all this and being banned, if you knew of an exploit now, what would you do?

Get it sorted again or burn the economy to the ground?
I mean the economy has been burned to the ground since 2006. I think people either forget or weren't around but 2006-2007 the economy got *** before that it was stable.

Weak people look for poor excuses.
Edit, the economy did get hit pretty hard though. I actually could tell from the few times I sold medals back in august when I stopped selling them. That's the reason I stopped making them. used the gil to help bring stuff to lakshmi to populate some gear on that server.
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 15:41:56
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No way jet. That guy clearly knows more than an international game publisher's entire legal department

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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 15:42:23
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2019-11-17 15:43:53
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Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
DirectX said: »
In hindsight of all this and being banned, if you knew of an exploit now, what would you do?

Get it sorted again or burn the economy to the ground?
I mean the economy has been burned to the ground since 2006. I think people either forget or weren't around but 2006-2007 the economy got *** before that it was stable.

Weak people look for poor excuses.
Edit, the economy did get hit pretty hard though. I actually could tell from the few times I sold medals back in august when I stopped selling them. That's the reason I stopped making them. used the gil to help bring stuff to lakshmi to populate some gear on that server.
Oh I'm not looking for excuses. Legit when hauby nq were 10mil at one point the economy took a massive hit Christmas gilbuying then killed a much of the economy back then and it's never recovered.
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2019-11-17 15:45:23
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
DirectX said: »
In hindsight of all this and being banned, if you knew of an exploit now, what would you do?

Get it sorted again or burn the economy to the ground?
I mean the economy has been burned to the ground since 2006. I think people either forget or weren't around but 2006-2007 the economy got *** before that it was stable.

Weak people look for poor excuses.
Edit, the economy did get hit pretty hard though. I actually could tell from the few times I sold medals back in august when I stopped selling them. That's the reason I stopped making them. used the gil to help bring stuff to lakshmi to populate some gear on that server.
Oh I'm not looking for excuses. Legit when hauby nq were 10mil at one point the economy took a massive hit Christmas gilbuying then killed a much of the economy back then and it's never recovered.

I wasn't pointing at anyone; it was just a general statement. :)
I've been around since 2004, so I know what you mean.
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 Lakshmi.Elidyr
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2019-11-17 15:49:17
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DirectX said: »
I remember when the economy was ruined then but it got fixed.

The difference between then and now is there was stuff being added to the population. Tbh between crafting, and mercing that was the only thing keeping a constant change on the market to begin with. Unless SE was going to come out and add new stuff to the game, the market was pretty stale and it likely would have continually dropped; slowly, but surely.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2019-11-17 15:51:59
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DirectX said: »
I remember when the economy was ruined then but it got fixed.
Depending on the server sure but some never really recovered. ***has always been stupidly priced. We got accounts wholl lower the price on ***when more than 2 people are selling the same item.
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2019-11-17 15:54:06
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
DirectX said: »
I remember when the economy was ruined then but it got fixed.
Depending on the server sure but some never really recovered. ***has always been stupidly priced. We got accounts wholl lower the price on ***when more than 2 people are selling the same item.
Isn't that how it works though?
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By spengler 2019-11-17 15:59:25
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Its not windowers fault Elidyr accidently figured out a bug with the item indexes. Just cause windower defined the fields doesnt make SE's garbage code any of their fault. You all use windower and if not you use ashita. get off your high horses.

There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly. You would definitely be met with a C&D. You are very delusional if you don't believe that.
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 16:02:09
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Its not windowers fault Elidyr accidently figured out a bug with the item indexes. Just cause windower defined the fields doesnt make SE's garbage code any of their fault. You all use windower and if not you use ashita. get off your high horses.

There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly. You would definitely be met with a C&D. You are very delusional if you don't believe that.

Except they have, and you're literally delusional if you think otherwise.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2019-11-17 16:03:15
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spengler said: »
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Its not windowers fault Elidyr accidently figured out a bug with the item indexes. Just cause windower defined the fields doesnt make SE's garbage code any of their fault. You all use windower and if not you use ashita. get off your high horses.

There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly. You would definitely be met with a C&D. You are very delusional if you don't believe that.
At this point you seem delusional tbh. SE has proven time and time again you wrong on this matter.
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By spengler 2019-11-17 16:04:14
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Link any major game developer that has their entire packet structure mapped and publicly available.

I can tell after a few posts in this place that only a special breed of people post here, so after 40k I assume your mind is mush and you don't even know what you're saying.
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2019-11-17 16:06:07
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spengler said: »
There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly.

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Link any major game developer that has their entire packet structure mapped and publicly available.

Just to be clear, are you asking if THEY themself map it publicly, or players map it publicly. Im starting to lose track of the actual question.
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 16:06:29
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Nekseus said: »
Its not windowers fault Elidyr accidently figured out a bug with the item indexes. Just cause windower defined the fields doesnt make SE's garbage code any of their fault. You all use windower and if not you use ashita. get off your high horses.

There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly. You would definitely be met with a C&D. You are very delusional if you don't believe that.

https://github.com/Windower/packages/blob/master/packet_service/types.lua

anymore conjecture or are you done?
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 16:07:19
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Link any major game developer that has their entire packet structure mapped and publicly available.

I can tell after a few posts in this place that only a special breed of people post here, so after 40k I assume your mind is mush and you don't even know what you're saying.

SE is a major game developer, are you challenged?

I know exactly what I'm saying, but cute trick trying to use post count against somebody. That's *** adorable.
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 16:08:26
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never mind your account is over a decade old lol
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By spengler 2019-11-17 16:08:28
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Nekseus said: »
spengler said: »
Nekseus said: »
Its not windowers fault Elidyr accidently figured out a bug with the item indexes. Just cause windower defined the fields doesnt make SE's garbage code any of their fault. You all use windower and if not you use ashita. get off your high horses.

There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly. You would definitely be met with a C&D. You are very delusional if you don't believe that.

https://github.com/Windower/packages/blob/master/packet_service/types.lua

anymore conjecture or are you done?

I'm not sure if you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE or just totally misunderstanding my point. I'm very well aware that the windower team has done so with FFXI.

I am saying that no other game developer would allow that to happen.

If you didn't know I was arguing that what did you think I was arguing?

Good lord lmao
 Bahamut.Justthetip
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2019-11-17 16:09:04
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Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
spengler said: »
There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly.

spengler said: »
Link any major game developer that has their entire packet structure mapped and publicly available.

Just to be clear, are you asking if THEY themself map it publicly, or players map it publicly. Im starting to lose track of the actual question.
At this point I'm in the same boat. Like what does this guy want? He is legit wrong on topic se has proven him erongntime and time again.
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 16:10:21
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Keep trying to act like your kicking and screaming about being wrong is just you being the mature one.
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 16:10:36
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never mind your account is over a decade old lol
Oh no an average of about 11 posts a day, how horrible.

AFK, gonna go listen to some TayTay.
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By fonewear 2019-11-17 16:11:07
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What?? They banned 45 people, but let fonewear get away??

/flips tables.

Get away with what I don't even know what the *** is going on !
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 16:11:55
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I'm not sure if you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE

You know I wasn't going to ask, but since YOU bring it up, are you? Legit, literally are you? Because what little shits I give may actually trigger if so, because holy ***...
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 16:12:19
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Viciouss said: »
What?? They banned 45 people, but let fonewear get away??

/flips tables.

Get away with what I don't even know what the *** is going on !

Kidnapping Minx.
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By spengler 2019-11-17 16:13:55
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Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
spengler said: »
There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly.

spengler said: »
Link any major game developer that has their entire packet structure mapped and publicly available.

Just to be clear, are you asking if THEY themself map it publicly, or players map it publicly. Im starting to lose track of the actual question.


I think it's pretty clear. I don't think SE would send a C&D to themselves...

As stated several times now, FFXI very clearly has the entire packet structure mapped by the windower team. No other game developer would allow you to do this, they would send you a C&D. It allows idiots like Eli to find the exploit he found.

SE has taken a hands off approach, I believe security by obscurity was how it was worded best. If SE had been in contact with the Windower/Ashita team at all I can assure you they would have told them that 90% of their addons should not be allowed and the packet structure should not be public.
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 16:15:50
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spengler said: »
Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
spengler said: »
There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly.

spengler said: »
Link any major game developer that has their entire packet structure mapped and publicly available.

Just to be clear, are you asking if THEY themself map it publicly, or players map it publicly. Im starting to lose track of the actual question.


I think it's pretty clear. I don't think SE would send a C&D to themselves...

As stated several times now, FFXI very clearly has the entire packet structure mapped by the windower team. No other game developer would allow you to do this, they would send you a C&D. It allows idiots like Eli to find the exploit he found.

SE has taken a hands off approach, I believe security by obscurity was how it was worded best. If SE had been in contact with the Windower/Ashita team at all I can assure you they would have told them that 90% of their addons should not be allowed and the packet structure should not be public.

No we dont have the whole thing mapped. Also ftr ashita doesnt do much messing with packets. They focus on memory.
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 16:17:28
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I still think it's funny that they think SE sending a C&D means to anyone means that they have to comply. It's amusing.
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By spengler 2019-11-17 16:17:48
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Now you're arguing semantics after realizing what I said and that your counters to it are idiotic and unfounded. Link any other game developer that has allowed even 10% of their packet structure to be mapped or sit the *** down.

I have no idea who you are, you wrote a couple addons maybe? I'm guessing you don't have windower source. You should not be saying "We".
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