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Random Politics & Religion #39: Guac is extra
By fonewear 2019-10-24 15:15:39
That aside, your argument hinges on the idea that somehow, undocumented immigrants are impersonating someone else on election day, without anybody (including the person they impersonated) noticing and doing anything about it. Wrong! There are plenty of articles that point out illegals exist on the voter registration rolls. They do vote, the question is how big is this problem. That answer lies between 1 and all of them. And in places like California it is a jailable offense to even ASK. Non-citizens sometimes do get registered to vote, generally by accident when getting a driver's license (which is legal), but they can be jailed for voting, so there's a protection there in place. Funny thing is, the solution to erroneous registration would simply be to automatically register citizens as voters, but the extra steps to register (and re-register) is in place to deter people from registering, or cull them from the list.
Quote: If you want specific numbers, you can check the pdf in the link like a big boy. Most of the numbers I saw showed around 10%
I’ll call *** on that. In a country of 150 million voters, thats 15 million people without a valid ID. Who are these 15 million people without ID? People over 85 are about 6 million. Thats the only real substantive group that would be somewhat excluded from having an active driver’s license as they don't drive, or buy beer or whatnot.
20 million illegals in the country, i bet most of them don’t have active IDs. How bout reading the *** pdf? Like why am I even responding to you if you're not gonna read it? It wasn't ~10% of all registered voters across the country, it was ~10% of voters in the individual studies, which specifically looked at individual elections by state.
Quote: Quote: There are plenty of stories of people being turned away on election day, as they were surprised to find out that they were removed from the list. This, too, is by design. Registration fraud is rampant. This is again how lefties cheat in election. Dead people, non citizens are on voter rolls and have voted. Feel free to show some receipts. The "dead people" thing isn't winning elections. If you wanna get upset over election ***, get upset over gerrymandering, which is a problem on both sides (though moreso with Republicans).
Quote: Lastly, it's outrageously absurd to put voting behind any kind of paywall; of all the things you wanna tax in this world, it's not *** democracy. Voter fraud isn't an issue. Voter disenfranchisement is.
It costs money to vote, whither thats in time out of work or in travel costs, it costs money to vote. Have the government subsidize it if you need to, stop illegal voting and democrat cheating.
Democrats don’t give a ***about foreign interference in our election. We’re inundated with people who don’t have a right to vote and are voting. We need to verify votes that are valid. Oh, right, the Democrats are the ones holding back election security from foreign interference. That's why noted Democrat... *checks notes*... Mitch McConnell was so resistant towards approving funding for election security.
Now, if you wanna argue that non-citizens or felons or anyone who can't get an ID shouldn't be allowed to vote, then whatever, that's your opinion, and I don't need to change that, nor do I value your opinion. I personally believe every single person over 18 should have a fundamental right to vote on the grounds that they live in this country, regardless of the circumstances, and thus the impacts of elections affect them. But to act like there are massive cheating operations carried out by immigrants that are constantly changing election results means either you don't have faith in the electoral system and are too much of a lazy ***to do anything about it (including proving how it's a real problem), or you're a whiny baby who always has an excuse for why your shitty political party can't get anything helpful done despite having the presidency, Senate, and more than enough douchebags on the Supreme Court.
There now no one has to read this ***.
By fonewear 2019-10-24 15:18:11
Let's all type super long posts that no one will read. And take up half the damn page. Sounds like fun.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2019-10-24 15:19:55
But getting away with voter fraud is extremely difficult, so it doesn't apply here. Is it? In a state where you don't have ID an all you have to do is check a box, how exactly would voting in behalf of someone else be difficult, especially if you know that the person you're imitating isn't going to be making it to the polls that day? There's a little more to it than that. To get in, you'd have to know the person's registered name, address, and voting precinct. That's easy enough, but then yes, you'd have to know that they're definitely not going to vote. On top of that, for that extra vote to mean anything, you'd need to vote again as yourself, which would require you go to a different polling station or else risk getting caught. If the person you impersonated or a person at the polls catches on to this, you're running the very serious risk of the $10k fine and 5 years in jail for an extremely small influence on an election.
Ultimately, for the risk and effort involved, it would be just as effective and way easier to simply convince one other person to vote for your candidate/whatever. If you were trying to pull a lot of weight, rather than trying to hack the election or coordinate a team of voting ninjas, it'd be considerably easier and more effective to just donate, volunteer your time, put a sign on your lawn, make an add, etc.
By fonewear 2019-10-24 15:20:43
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By fonewear 2019-10-24 15:21:38
Please continue about voter suppression. I'm taking notes.
By fonewear 2019-10-24 15:24:52
The whole "but but but voter ID!" thing might of been something to consider back in the 50's, this is 2019 and you need some form of identification to just about do anything in society. Bank accounts, need proof of ID. Property ownership or rentals, again need proof of ID. Entering into any sort of educational institute, proof of ID yet again comes up. Collecting guberment welfare checks, need ID to register for that.
The only people I can possibly think of who would be effected by an ID requirement, those without any form of ID, would be hill billies living in the backwoods of Arkansas who never leave their shacks anyway. That or illegals who are using fake credentials to skate by in society because people tend not to look too closely when they do check ID.
How did you find me if I never left my shack ?
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By fonewear 2019-10-24 15:31:35
Also it's a new record we have four count them four people on PnR.
Hell few more and we can make an exp party on FFXI !
By Nausi 2019-10-24 15:36:04
But getting away with voter fraud is extremely difficult, so it doesn't apply here. Is it? In a state where you don't have ID an all you have to do is check a box, how exactly would voting in behalf of someone else be difficult, especially if you know that the person you're imitating isn't going to be making it to the polls that day? There's a little more to it than that. To get in, you'd have to know the person's registered name, address, and voting precinct. That's easy enough, but then yes, you'd have to know that they're definitely not going to vote. On top of that, for that extra vote to mean anything, you'd need to vote again as yourself, which would require you go to a different polling station or else risk getting caught. If the person you impersonated or a person at the polls catches on to this, you're running the very serious risk of the $10k fine and 5 years in jail for an extremely small influence on an election.
Ultimately, for the risk and effort involved, it would be just as effective and way easier to simply convince one other person to vote for your candidate/whatever. If you were trying to pull a lot of weight, rather than trying to hack the election or coordinate a team of voting ninjas, it'd be considerably easier and more effective to just donate, volunteer your time, put a sign on your lawn, make an add, etc. That kind of fraud happens after the polls close when democrat districts refuse to submit their totals and continuously find boxes of ballots in teachers closets and trunks of cars. Aka florida 2018.
Or remember when Stein had Michigan do a recount and they stopped it short because they were finding districts in democrat Detroit where they were double counting votes?
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By fonewear 2019-10-24 15:37:31
By Nausi 2019-10-24 15:42:29
Biden scandal expands from Ukraine into Hungary.
Oops guess Trump was right after all.
By Nausi 2019-10-24 15:47:29
Democrats are the part of national socialists after all.
By fonewear 2019-10-24 15:51:45
I really don't care what Katie Hill does or doesn't do sexually but she shouldn't do it with a staffer.
By fonewear 2019-10-24 15:57:09
I also find it funny that the House of Representative has an ethics committee...
No one in Congress has ethics but they got a committee hot damn !
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-10-24 15:59:07
Biden scandal expands from Ukraine into Hungary.
Oops guess Trump was right after all. 
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-10-24 16:29:23
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By Odin.Slore 2019-10-24 17:07:37
Seriously with the yahoo news
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-10-24 17:18:19
Seriously with the yahoo news
Yep, seriously. It is actually a story that was linked from The Independent, and is from this pastor's show 'TruNews programme'. The video is there for all to watch.
By Nausi 2019-10-24 18:36:07
Seriously with the yahoo news Hes still part of the tiny minority of people who think the left wing media is telling the truth.
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By Viciouss 2019-10-24 18:38:51
Says the guy that just posted a Washington Times article with a completely debunked headline.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-10-24 19:07:45
Pentagon planning to send tanks, armored vehicles to Syrian oil fields
USA Today
WASHINGTON – The Pentagon is preparing to send tanks and armored vehicles to Syrian oil fields, according to a U.S. official ...
Protect oil, not Kurds and Christians.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-10-24 19:11:08
I also find it funny that the House of Representative has an ethics committee...
No one in Congress has ethics but they got a committee hot damn ! When Republicans rule the house that committee never meets.
When Democrats rule the house that committee never does anything.
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By Viciouss 2019-10-24 19:11:09
thats a bad link Chanti.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-10-24 19:27:52
By Viciouss 2019-10-24 19:46:57
I wonder if Trump is aware that sending tanks and APCs to Syria would actually increase the amount of troops that were stationed there previously?
By Nausi 2019-10-24 20:11:40
I think he’s looking for one from yahoo news...
By Nausi 2019-10-24 20:47:31
DOJ opens new criminal probe into origins of russian collusion.
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By Nausi 2019-10-24 21:41:28
The floodgates of lefty salt have begun to flow. They always excuse their own crimes.
Not this time.
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By Nausi 2019-10-24 22:00:32
Flynns new lawyer has made a new filing in the flynn case.
Lisa page edited flynn’s 302.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-10-24 22:38:44
Flynns new lawyer has made a new filing in the flynn case.
Lisa page edited flynn’s 302.
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It's been awhile, let's have a nice fresh thread.
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