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 Leviathan.Celebrindal
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2018-12-11 12:19:12
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So...it appears SE really[/i] wants us to use Crossbows...

Pre-adjustment
Materials:
Moldy Bolt
Malachite Crystal
Relic Adaman x2
Dark Matter
Yield:
NQ: 33
HQ1: 66
HQ2: 99
HQ3: 99

Post-adjustment
Materials:
Moldy Bolt
Malachite Crystal
Relic Adaman
Dark Matter
Yield:
NQ: 99
HQ1: 99
HQ2: 99
HQ3: 99

and the stat changes:

Pre-adjustment
DMG:156 Delay:192
Ranged Accuracy+25
Magic Accuracy+25
Additional effect: Light damage

Post-adjustment
DMG:156 Delay:192
Ranged Accuracy+25
Magic Accuracy+25
"Recycle"+20
Additional effect: Light damage

So, they've made every synth of these bolts be an entire stack, removed a 2-3mil material from the cost, and added a whopping +20 Recycle to them, essentially making them last forever with Scavenge. (pardon my liberty with terms- no they won't LITERALLY last forever, but a damn long time).

I've toyed around with these things, and they sure are fun for a Ranger who prefers Gastraphetes. The added "enlight" helps bring bolt white damage closer to bullets- not equivalent, but helps close the gap for sure. So what are your thoughts? Do you see yourself using these and moving to an Xbow build, a fun toy to have while being Trueflight Hero, or a complete waste of gil and time?

Personally, I'm still pissed that CORs got a mainhand weapon from Dynamis that allows them to still rock their RMEA guns, while we're given a lackluster Crossbow that most would still opt for Gastraphetes when facing the choice of Gun vs. Crossbow. But this does help make up for it slightly.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2018-12-11 12:23:42
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I think they are now BiS TP phase for xbow ranger. I went out today and played around for over an hour with them, use 4 total bolts after the scavenges lol..

Quelling bolt's still did more damage on trueflight.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2018-12-11 12:26:02
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Fenrir.Kaldaek said: »
I think they are now BiS TP phase for xbow ranger. I went out today and played around for over an hour with them, use 4 total bolts after the scavenges lol..


Without question they're gonna win in terms of TP phase- higher base damage, same delay as Quelling Bolts, the previous champ. I'd still macro in Quelling for Trueflight, Wildfire, and Hot Shot, but I'd macro in Scout's for Last Stand, Detonator, etc.

My real question is...did SE release these to help out our White Damage while we are using magical weaponskills (the only time one of our crossbows outdoes our guns), or is this another case of swing and miss by SE because they don't understand their own game and how powerful Fomalhaut, Annihilator, and Armageddon are.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2018-12-11 12:27:55
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I'm not sure there either. But if you follow snaps, he does some crazy things with gastra and trueflight. 99K trueflights on T4 sure beats guns when buffed correctly.

Fenrir.Snaps said: »
Have been experimenting with the viability of Trueflight/Wildfire/Leaden Salute zergs on escha T4 NMs with some success.
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09:52:27Snapster uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:52:27Zanosan uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:52:27Itstrue uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:52:32Snapster uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:52:33Itstrue uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:52:35Zanosan uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:52:39Itstrue uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:52:40Snapster uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:52:40Zanosan uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:52:43Snapster uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:52:43Itstrue uses Trueflight.Kirin takes 99999 points of damage.
09:53:13Snapster uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 2148 points of damage.
09:53:14Itstrue uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 1541 points of damage.
09:53:17Zanosan uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 5415 points of damage.
09:53:19Snapster uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 52990 points of damage.
09:53:20Itstrue uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 72471 points of damage.
09:53:22Zanosan uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 99999 points of damage.
09:53:28Snapster uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 99999 points of damage.
09:53:31Zanosan uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 99999 points of damage.
09:53:31Itstrue uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 74009 points of damage.
09:53:34Snapster uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 99999 points of damage.
09:53:37Zanosan uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 92736 points of damage.
09:53:41Itstrue uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 74009 points of damage.
09:53:44Snapster uses Trueflight.Kouryu takes 99999 points of damage.


Two gastra and one fomalhaut. It's nowhere near the speed of SMN zerg but it is possible to do most of the T4 this way.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2018-12-11 12:30:49
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yup. I love my gastra more than anything, and when I saw him post this I needed a change of pants ;)
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2018-12-11 12:37:02
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They seem largely irrelevant to me although I might be hastily writing them off. When I'm using gastra the focus is never white damages. The additional effect is very small compared to trueflight, which you'll use one of those every 2-3 shots. It's better than not having them although I don't know if it's worth the trouble or cost. It seems like abrasion bolts are still better in many situations too. I will probably pick some up and try them on adyna run although I'll need to put Arcadian beret back in during double shot.

Also consider that you'll probably end up scavaging quelling bolts because you will expend more of them.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2018-12-11 12:44:29
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Fenrir.Snaps said: »
They seem largely irrelevant to me although I might be hastily writing them off. When I'm using gastra the focus is never white damages. The additional effect is very small compared to trueflight, which you'll use one of those every 2-3 shots. It's better than not having them although I don't know if it's worth the trouble or cost. It seems like abrasion bolts are still better in many situations too. I will probably pick some up and try them on adyna run although I'll need to put Arcadian beret back in during double shot.

Also consider that you'll probably end up scavaging quelling bolts because you will expend more of them.


+1'ed your entire post because its dead on right. However, if you're only shooting scout's and saving quelling for WS only(Trueflight), you'd be scavenging Scout's. Now if you were WS'ing Last Stand, which can use multiple ammos, then it might be a concern. But I think the sheer fact of 2-3 shots vs. 1 for a WS....I'd hope that works out in our favor.
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2018-12-11 12:50:33
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Well the idea is that you're going to be capped recycle on shots (90%) but traits/merits only on Trueflight(55%). Even if you have to shoot 4 times to get enough to tp you'll still use more quelling bolts. That said I don't actually know exactly how the game handles scavenge when you're switching ammo around. You might even get nothing back. Needs some testing.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2018-12-11 13:07:49
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Hadn't thought about the zero returns due to so much Recycle, and that recycle number will be less during WS phase as pointed out (no Arcadian Beret+3, No Adhemar Kecks+1).

I got a feeling I'm gonna be at the shootin' range alone tonight...
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By Asura.Zeroburning 2018-12-11 15:42:09
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Yea idk its still going to be like what 3-5 mil per stack for extra white dmg pretty much I mean I didnt get to test sharanga yet to just mess around with I'm trying to get it built atm 0/13 on the first batch
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2018-12-11 15:45:40
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It seems like they are geared for people that dont have gastra with quelling bolts.

Having that said... I shot for a long time today and only spent 9 bolts lol. A stack seems like it will last awhile.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2018-12-11 15:47:30
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Sharanga is 300% not the 250 listed on bg, and does work how you'd expect. Can't really see any reason to use it over Gastra, though.
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By Asura.Zeroburning 2018-12-11 15:52:12
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I cant really see me using them because in my midshot I usually always use abrasion just to make sure all the mobs are capped and for ws use quelling ofc