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 Fenrir.Nightfyre
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-11-07 14:55:39
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Valefor.Mattyc said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
My drg needs a bit of work still, I'll admit, which is why i mentioned the fact that I've beaten drgs w/ gear better than mine. (I still need ares legs for my ws build, just picked up heca cap like less than a week ago)


which proves my point sam > all the gear in the world

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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-07 14:56:19
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Which is still considerably less than +50% fulltime
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-07 14:56:40
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Who needs dot when you can effectively add over 150 to your weapons base dmg yo!
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-07 14:56:52
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Quotes on this forum suck
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-11-07 14:57:13
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Quotes on this forum suck
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-11-07 14:57:33
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Siren.Enternius said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Quotes on this forum suck

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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-11-07 14:58:06
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Amazingly, I was able to quote that. Oh the irony.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-07 14:58:08
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Siren.Enternius said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Quotes on this forum suck
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By Leviathan.Veronika 2009-11-07 14:59:07
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Which is still considerably less than +50% fulltime

Ok... you have 50% double attack for the first minute, 40% for the second, 30% for the third, then you reuse the JA and have 50% again. You still average 40% full time.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-07 15:00:15
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Which is considerably less than 50 >.>

Also, our "DD dnc" Toth repeatedly parses every time they let him come to limbus
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-11-07 15:01:16
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I don't like DNC in endgame. At all.

Of all DD jobs, DNC does the least amount of damage per-hit and subsequently gives some of the most TP per hit.
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By Leviathan.Veronika 2009-11-07 15:02:43
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Siren.Enternius said:
I don't like DNC in endgame. At all.

Of all DD jobs, DNC does the least amount of damage per-hit and subsequently gives some of the most TP per hit.


But a dnc doesn't have to hit a mob at all to spot-heal a party and debuff the target, they just can't apply sambas. Also, DNC has a stun with a 20 second CD that, after you have gear for, rarely gets resisted. That's what i'm used for in sky usually.

Dnc/Sam is used endgame. You have 75 tp no-foot rise meditate, 60 tp meditate from /sam, reverse flourish to use once you land 2-3 debuffs to recover 60-75 tp every 30 secs.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-11-07 15:03:32
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But you do have to melee in order to do anything.
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By Leviathan.Veronika 2009-11-07 15:04:27
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Siren.Enternius said:
But you do have to melee in order to do anything.


No you don't.

Also you typically use fan dance when doing this so you take less damage. First hit you take is reduced by 90%... The other day i took a 50 damage thousand needles solo with fan dance and a couple reduce damage pieces.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-07 15:06:57
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Yea but then its pointless on endgame mobs. If you're not meleeing for TP, all the TP you get from just JAs are going to be used curing yourself from the AoE you are getting hit by now that you're not /nin
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-07 15:07:18
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I'd rather bring a rdm to debuff and stun
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By Leviathan.Veronika 2009-11-07 15:08:42
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Yea but then its pointless on endgame mobs. If you're not meleeing for TP, all the TP you get from just JAs are going to be used curing yourself from the AoE you are getting hit by now that you're not /nin


Read the post above yours. Aoe's don't hurt us for much.

And Dasva, 2 rdm's can't stack debuffs. A rdm and a dnc can stack them though.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-11-07 15:09:46
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DNC has instacast cures, which really helps if you have good reaction time. Nothing sucks more than just barely surviving Astral Flow, then getting hit and dying anyway because the RDM took too long to cure you.

Too bad you can only use them on people in your direct party.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-07 15:10:24
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So, you're only going to be getting hit w/ 1 AoE in between fan dances?
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-07 15:11:01
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Also, fan dance is only Physical dmg. What about magical dmg?
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By Leviathan.Veronika 2009-11-07 15:11:37
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Siren.Enternius said:
DNC has instacast cures, which really helps if you have good reaction time. Nothing sucks more than just barely surviving Astral Flow, then getting hit and dying anyway because the RDM took too long to cure you.

Too bad you can only use them on people in your direct party.


I typically spot heal the main tank. Our cure 5 dance has a 17 second recast though. Mainly we're there for stuns, debuffs, and removing status ailments though.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2009-11-07 15:11:56
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I hardly think your fan dance is going to save your hide for 5 minutes in endgame situations.
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By Leviathan.Veronika 2009-11-07 15:13:52
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
So, you're only going to be getting hit w/ 1 AoE in between fan dances?


90% reduced first hit
80% second
70% third
Down to 20% reduced on 8th hit, where it remains.

Usually i take 4 or 5 AoE's before i can recast it.

It's usually our job to stun the AoE Magic attacks.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-07 15:15:09
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Dnc's stun is highly unreliable. You're better letting the mages do it.
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By Leviathan.Veronika 2009-11-07 15:16:06
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Dnc's stun is highly unreliable. You're better letting the mages do it.


Not with the gear for it. Magic accuracy as well as the DNC relic body. You can land them almost every time.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-07 15:16:46
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Almost every time won't cut it. Dnc is good for a back up stun, but it is not something i would put in a stun rotation and put full faith in.
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By Leviathan.Veronika 2009-11-07 15:17:52
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Almost every time won't cut it. Dnc is good for a back up stun, but it is not something i would put in a stun rotation and put full faith in.


Stun isn't 100% either. I've been resisted with it maybe twice since i got my equipment build for it.

Also, stutter step lowers magic evasion by 25% when you max it out. This is what we usually use (for the blm's nukes and so rdm's can land enfeebles) and it also helps us land our stun A LOT.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-07 15:18:51
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While stun isn't 100%, it is still more reliable than dnc stun (and I have dnc 75 w/ relic body ect, so i'm not just pulling this out of my ***)
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By Leviathan.Veronika 2009-11-07 15:21:13
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Is that all you wear for violent flourish accuracy? Both magic accuracy and melee accuracy effect it. Your stun build should have these in every single slot as possible.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-11-07 15:23:52
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This has nothing to do with damage dealing anymore.

Lol.
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