Opinions On Rank Of Best Damage Dealers

Sam has hasso but they don't have reduced delay from dual wield.

You do not have a 70% chance to score 7 hit on DE. Hell 6 hits with what 50% chance at best to get a double attack from your saber dance Would give you like 50% chance to 7 hit and 25% chance to 8 hit. The odds of actually landing all those with capped acc is damn low

And this is calculated separate from haste, and I already did the math w/ DW + 70% haste vs 80% haste. 80% haste came out w/ the lower delay. Shall I do it again or will you just selectively read over it again?

NO *** ***. BUT SAM HAS 10% MORE HASTE.

If you do the math right, SAM actually has a lower delay than DNC due to Hasso. Vegetto did the math a whole two pages back and you still haven't caught up. 96 delay < 98.64. Polearm is the 96. SAM wins.

My average hit on DNC is about 80-85 counting both the main hand and the offhand together and averaging them. That's 160-170 damage per attack phase without a double attack. Dancer has 30-50% double attack full time, meaning they can do 160-340 damage per attack phase, the average being 245 damage per attack phase.

The Double Attack limit for WS is 2. Meaning DE can hit 7 max.

haste>>DW

Unless your DWing... in which case you get an extra hit no matter what

Dnc:
411 delay x .80 (20% DW reduction) = 328.8

328.8 x .65 (35% reduction from haste samba and 25% gear) = 213

Still lower than sam.

Hit from offhand turns it from 5 to 6hit ws.

Incorrect. Dual wield adds a hit. 5 + 1 from dual wield = 6 hits, 2 double attacks = 8.

Get it right.

Lol D: I can't think straight about FFXI anymore. It's been like a month since I've been on. You're right. Forget that.

You can't make that generalisation though... depends on so many things. Attack's gains are deteriorating similar to WSC gains and to compare which is better, it's really only worthwhile talking about certain pieces (Dusk Trousers will beat most other options for instance), which is why I'm wondering whereabouts you make those swaps.

I'm largely curious to see your WS gear because my THF is fairly well geared and I can't say that I would break 1k+ every single time with a soloDE.

Blau/SK/---/Bomblet
Heca/Breeze/Pixie/Brutal
Mirke(10acc)/Heca/Thunder[Toreador's sometimes]/Rajas
Cuch/Potent/Dusk/Heca

being my most conservative set, to

Blau/SK/---/Core
Heca/Breeze/Pixie/Brutal
DH/Heca/Thunder/Rajas
Forager's/Warwolf/Dusk/Heca

with Feint up.

Even then I wasn't averaging 1.2k or whatever with soloDEs.

"Dnc:
411 delay x .80 (20% DW reduction) = 328.8

328.8 x .65 (35% reduction from haste samba and 25% gear) = 213

Still lower than sam."

Again wrong.

MAX haste on both. Dnc will have 70% haste, 20% DW
Sam will have 80% haste


411 x .2 = 328.8

328.8 x .3 = 98.64



Sam:
480 delay, 80% haste

480 x .2 = 96 delay

96 is less than 98.64

I'd like to meet the dnc that has 25% gear haste when /nin

Are you a mithra?

Only on my screen :(

I use assault jerkin, dusk trousers +1, sword belt, the um... +5 attack earrings, cant remember what its called, amemet mantle, and some other stuff, i cant remember it all off the top of my head.

Thats why.

In before a motherfucking epic shitstorm.

Great troll or greatest troll?

Building Flourish adds +20% damage to WS or something, idk.

You forgot the fang earrings Nightfyre.

How can you maintain capped accuracy with all of that? :o eating Pizza? I spam Mithkas on THF, though since I started erasing Dagger merits I'd have to use crab sushi now <_>

I don't personally have it but:

Rapparee Harness: 4
Etoile Tights: 3
Sonic Belt: 6
Dusk feet +1: 3
Dusk hands +1: 4
Wally Turban: 5

25 total haste right there. I only have the dusk +1, and turban though myself.

Also this.

Yes, building flourish adds a huge amount of attack, acc, and crit rate to ws's.

Now I know you don't have 25% gear haste. You know why? Cause dnc can only hit that using rapparee, walmart turban, dusk gloves and feet+1, speed blet and like relic pants or barbosa.

Fangs are +4, she's at least using Spike/Coral! >.>;

Ok, since you've skipped my math twice now, I'm going to assume you have no response to the fact that sam's max speed is faster than dnc's max speed.