There's someone here that thinks DNC is a good DD?
Lol.
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Leviathan.Veronika said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Leviathan.Veronika said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: You acknowledged your WS is multihit but conveniently ignored the fact that Penta Thrust is too. The only person "forgetting" anything here is you. I never said it wasnt a multi hit ws... You guys are the ones bringing it up lol. Yea, penta misses a lot of hits often as sam cuz their skill is gimp, get a drg out there who's properly geared and you'll see a big increase. No, it's not because their skill is gimp. You're not reading and you're an well i'd say it but you'd prolly cry to the mods. It's because YOU KILL THE MONSTER BEFORE ALL THE HITS CAN LAND You're the one assuming i dont understand. That happens to everyone though. EXACTLY. THIS IS MY POINT. IT HAPPENS TO EVERYONE. THIS IS WHY YOU WILL SEE LESS THAN 1K ON THE LOW FOR PENTA THRUST BECAUSE OF THIS HAPPENED, NOT BECUASE DNC'S WS IS BETTER Lol thfs should outdo Dncs DE by far.
Can you post your DNC WS gear please? :(
Get off the forums Raen, you quit! >:O
Bahamut.Dracondria said: Get off the forums Raen, you quit! >:O Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??? o.o;;; Cerberus.Geldric said: We are all getting the same buffs except one. Does HASSO add to the DANCER'S haste? Dual wield 2 + suppa = 20% attack speed reduction right? Hasso = 10% haste... a GK sam has a delay of 292 with 25% haste gear and hasso. A dagger dnc has a delay of 184.95 with 25% haste gear, dual wield, and haste samba. A sam getting haste samba on top of hasso has 247 delay. Add haste spell/song/etc on top of that, and DNC still has lower delay even with sam getting haste samba. Haha I still read and contribute to a lot of forums :( it's more going inactive than quitting right now anyway~
EDIT: Yeah, a lot of people seem surprised I went inactive :P old LS broke, most people I know RMT'd accounts etc and I'm just very disillusioned with the game as a whole due to the forced grouping / botting scene / grinding etc etc. The new LS which was formed from the ashes of the old one I definitely didn't want to join due to some individuals so I opted to go inactive instead... I'm in uni now anyway so I don't have as much time as I did before. I miss it sometimes! Leviathan.Veronika said: Dancing Edge is a multi hit weaponskill too, or did you forget? It's probably due largely to the fact that a) dancer has a lot of ws acc, b) I'm a mithra, and c) dnc ws's in acc and attack gear only. You'll see a lot of people try to use CHR and DEX, but they're idiots. That's why you see some dnc's WS for so low. Dex matters! Ramuh.Dasva said: Leviathan.Veronika said: Dancing Edge is a multi hit weaponskill too, or did you forget? It's probably due largely to the fact that a) dancer has a lot of ws acc, b) I'm a mithra, and c) dnc ws's in acc and attack gear only. You'll see a lot of people try to use CHR and DEX, but they're idiots. That's why you see some dnc's WS for so low. Dex matters! Thf onry. "
Dual wield 2 + suppa = 20% attack speed reduction right? Hasso = 10% haste... a GK sam has a delay of 292 with 25% haste gear and hasso. A dagger dnc has a delay of 184.95 with 25% haste gear, dual wield, and haste samba. A sam getting haste samba on top of hasso has 247 delay. Add haste spell/song/etc on top of that, and DNC still has lower delay even with sam getting haste samba." Your math is wrong Dual Wield also reduces TP gain, meaning WS frequency is unchanged by your DW amount. You can't count DW towards WS frequency. It increases DoT, but your base damage is low enough that SAM is still pulling ahead by a large margin, especially given their other advantages. Add in the fact that you're not even doing the math right, and... well, =\
DW lowers tp gain too. Not to mention that sam is hitting more per hit so you just hitting faster doesn't mean your doing more. Also DW and haste are figured seperately
DW reduction is calculated SEPARATE from haste. Let's say you have 10 DW and 10 HASTE. You don't count this as 20% haste.
You calculate DW then haste or haste then DW For example we have 100 Delay The way you're calculating it 100 x .8 = 80 delay It doesn't work that way 100 x .9 = 90 after DW Then apply haste to the new delay 90 x .9 = 81 How's my math wrong? Dnc has a total of 55% attack speed reduction. So you take 411 (dnc combined delay) times 0.45 and you get 184.95.
You take sam's 450 with hagun (using GK to give them lower delay than polearm to be fair.) times the combined haste of 25 from gear, 10 from hasso (35, so 0.65) to get 292.5. DEX adds acc, but I think you're also forgetting that One hander (dagger) DEX to Acc ratio is 2:1, while Two Hander (GK/Polearm) is 4:3. That easily makes up for any race differences. A One Hander mithra THF/DNC will have about same acc from DEX as an Elvaan SAM >.>
Because haste and DW are calculated separately, not the same.
In which slots are you consciously choosing large amounts of attack over available DEX? Granted I am not familiar with DNC weaponskill gear.
3~4 DEX will raise base D by one and since you're a DNC, you don't have SA/TA adding to base D, so 3~4 DEX will yield you approximately 2.5% overall damage (1/40~). You will need approximately 10-12~ Attack generally speaking to equal the gains from 3~4 DEX... though I am not familiar with DNC WS gear, as I said. So that would mean dnc has 213 delay, still lower by a lot.
Let's say you have 400 delay.
You have 70% haste let's add 1 haste and lets add 1 DW reduction 1 DW reduction first 400 x .99 = 396 Now apply our 70% haste 396 x .3 = 118.8 Now let's add 1 haste and no DW. going from 70 to 71% haste 400 x .29 = 116 delay Heres where your wrong. In order to get 55% attack speed reduction with 20% DW you'd need 43.75% haste
Leviathan.Veronika said: So that would mean dnc has 213 delay, still lower by a lot. Dnc at max speed is going to be slower than sam at max speed. Adding haste helps SAM more than it does DNC, since sam has more haste to begin with. Raenryong, you have to consider the fact that DNC has like a 70% chance to score a 7 hit WS, and like a 12-20% chance to score an 8 hit ws. I don't remember the exact math but i'll do it again if i have to. Adding 1 attack actually boosts your low end damage by 2, and your high end by 4 as dnc.
I could be misunderstanding, but WS mods and Attack both apply to every hit so I'm not sure how that changes anything? :X
You can't really say that adding x Attack boosts your damage by y because of the nature of the pdif function... sometimes 1 Attack will raise your damage by 0. Fairy.Vegetto said: Leviathan.Veronika said: So that would mean dnc has 213 delay, still lower by a lot. Dnc at max speed is going to be slower than sam at max speed. Adding haste helps SAM more than it does DNC, since sam has more haste to begin with. Not true at all. if you reduce 100 by 99% you end up with 1. If you reduce 200 by 99% you end up with 2. The higher number will always be higher if you reduce them by the same percent. This means if dnc and sam always have the same amount of haste, sam would never have a lower delay, ever. Ok so let's review our past few pages debate.
Sam attacks faster sam gets more TP/attack round Sam gets more TP from JA (2 min 30 sec meditate 140-160 tp) vs (75 tp reverse flourish every 3 mins) Sam does more average dmg/ws Anything else to add? Bahamut.Raenryong said: I could be misunderstanding, but WS mods and Attack both apply to every hit so I'm not sure how that changes anything? :X
You can't really say that adding x Attack boosts your damage by y because of the nature of the pdif function... sometimes 1 Attack will raise your damage by 0. well it usually takes 3 dex or like 4 chr to boost ws damage by 1-3 for dnc. The fact of the matter in this situation is the use of the weapon skill on birds. If you want to maximize your merit damage, nothing works better than attack for dancer when you compare ws mods and other stats against colibri defense and vit. "Not true at all.
if you reduce 100 by 99% you end up with 1. If you reduce 200 by 99% you end up with 2. The higher number will always be higher if you reduce them by the same percent. This means if dnc and sam always have the same amount of haste, sam would never have a lower delay, ever." While this would be true IF you had the same amount of haste. Sam gets 10% more haste than dnc, thanks to hasso. They will never have the same amount of haste in the same party. Fairy.Vegetto said: Ok so let's review our past few pages debate.
Sam attacks faster sam gets more TP/attack round Sam gets more TP from JA (2 min 30 sec meditate 140-160 tp) vs (75 tp reverse flourish every 3 mins) Sam does more average dmg/ws Anything else to add? Prove how sam attacks faster. Also dancer gets 11-22 tp per attack phase, with 50% double attack w/o gear to enhance it this means that dnc on average gets 16.5 tp per phase. Fairy.Vegetto said: Ok so let's review our past few pages debate.
Sam attacks faster sam gets more TP/attack round Sam gets more TP from JA (2 min 30 sec meditate 140-160 tp) vs (75 tp reverse flourish every 3 mins) Sam does more average dmg/ws Anything else to add? SAM does better DoT, also. |
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