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Italian politics: how not to govern
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By Asura.Vienner 2018-06-01 05:18:23
Also, Italy has a huge industry for industrial kitchen equipment for some reason. More then Half my kitchen equip are made in Italy.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2018-06-01 05:31:17
That's one thing I wasn't expecting to be popular in Belgium lol.
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By Valefor.Rawry 2018-06-01 08:32:39
Some interesting facts about the appointed ministers...
Ministry of Healthcare: an anti-vax idiot
Ministry of Labour and social policy: Di Maio(who has never worked in his life)
Ministry of Interior: Salvini, a proud xenophobe(the one who wanted to run over gypsies with caterpillars)
Ministry of Family assistance: a homophobe who's also anti-abortion(di we travel back in time 40 years?)
EU affairs: Savona, outspoken anti-euro
such excellent choices.
At least the other ministries got some more reasonable picks, so..yay?
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By Asura.Vienner 2018-06-01 08:34:25
That's one thing I wasn't expecting to be popular in Belgium lol. It was on national tv a long time ago, one of the best detectiveseries ever made imo.
By fonewear 2018-06-01 08:34:49
When you say recipe, do you mean bread, tomato sauce and cheese? Cus this ain't a recipe! It's a bachelor smashing something edible together!
In England we invented melted cheese on toast which is good with tomato ketchup which while not as good as pizza, we also are world leaders in entertainment, education, research, science, creative industries, etc, etc. What does Italy offer the world? Italy offers the world some of the best wines, the best cheeses, a healthy lifestyle, fashion, la piovra!, nice cars, delicious italian men, Italy is an important agricultural region in Europe. they gave us roads, the toilet, running water.
You forgot Super Mario !
By fonewear 2018-06-01 08:40:00
I would argue that Da Vinci Parmesan cheese Ferrari Donatella Master Splinter April O Neil Versace Pizza Speaking with your hands mafia overweight tourists breath taking landscapes....Italy has it all !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-06-01 09:16:38
Some interesting facts about the appointed ministers...
Ministry of Healthcare: an anti-vax idiot
Ministry of Labour and social policy: Di Maio(who has never worked in his life)
Ministry of Interior: Salvini, a proud xenophobe(the one who wanted to run over gypsies with caterpillars)
Ministry of Family assistance: a homophobe who's also anti-abortion(di we travel back in time 40 years?)
EU affairs: Savona, outspoken anti-euro
such excellent choices.... All would look quite at home in Trump's cabinet.
By fonewear 2018-06-01 09:25:29
I think Italy should let the Mafia rule the country what's the worse thing that could happen...it would just look like a Soprano's episode....
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2018-06-01 09:32:30
I think Italy should let the Mafia rule the country what's the worse thing that could happen...it would just look like a Soprano's episode.... Mafia has ruled the country already for many years. Democratic Christians had close relations to mafia and there was even a very famous tv-broadcasted trial in the 80s. They got judges and prosecutors assassinated(we have a bunch of tv series based on those years)all with the aim of infiltrating the national politics, and infiltrate they did. Even Berlusconi himself is thought to be tied to those events and to have mandated some of those killings, however proofs were never found and he's corruption of all levels of justice during his years of tenure as PM have put everything under the sand.
Mafia infiltration is one of the main reasons why our country is so *** today, other one being the meddling with our politics of the US and USSR between the 50s and 70s.
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By Crystal Neptunia 2018-06-01 09:33:15
Italy's political history is extremely interesting if anyone likes the subject. Really worth studying.
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By fonewear 2018-06-01 09:36:28
Italy's political history is extremely interesting if anyone likes the subject. Really worth studying.
Not as interesting as the Sopranos though...
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By Nadleeh Sakurai 2018-06-01 10:10:50
kinda reminds me of Mexico's politics, where the Government Cartels rule the nation with fear
as soon as some (corrupt) governors loose their seat (term end or re-elections) they are usually seen fleeing the country to avoid getting linched, or worm themselves to a higher seat to keep *** up the nation.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2018-06-01 12:17:22
Tomorrow we celebrate the 72nd birthday of our republic, but the truth is we haven't been a democracy almost ever. The very referendum that happened on June the 2nd 1946 when we chose republic over monarchy was tampered by the US. I mean it's good we got rid of the Savoy royals, but it was still a heterodirected vote right from the start. Years of being a USvsUSSR battleground, then a lot more of mafia and corruption, then emergency technocrats, tbh we've probably only had the first really democratic government in 2013.
Ok maybe I've been a bit too dramatic, but still...
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-06-01 12:41:46
Italy's political history is extremely interesting if anyone likes the subject. Really worth studying. I know somewhat of your political history, but I know your medieval and renaissance history better.
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By Asura.Tydis 2018-06-01 13:50:28
Spain just ditched their President with a vote of no confidence after a corruption scandal.
Take that Seha, Spain totally stealing Italy's thunder!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-06-01 15:18:13
But Spain has automatic sucession. So no voting on failure, no weeks of frantic campagining without a government.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2018-06-02 07:09:32
Happy bday to Italy as a Republic! Today we mark the day that americans italians decided to abolish monarchy in favour of a republic through vote tampering referendum.
But that day marked also the first time women could vote in Italy!!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-06-04 18:33:07
I think you have a government now.
Is anything better yet?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2018-06-08 09:36:42
I think you have a government now.
Is anything better yet? Well..I'd start with the list above I provided about ministers, that was really not a good start at all.
So far Conte's declarations have been as vague as it gets and pretty much everyone thinks he's just a puppet but Di Maio and Salvini will be the ones really running the show. And that's a problem. Our PM has no power.
And he's going to G7 now. I don't expect him to show up with a spine, but watch him side with Trump on the removal of sanctions on Russia, as that's what Salvini wants.
Merkel will also surely remind him again of our impending doom(germans love to remind us).
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-06-19 13:18:50
I see some in your new government are yearning for the good old days of fascist rule.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2018-09-05 16:49:55
Actually curious on how Italy is doing now Seha. Has there been any change? Hopefully for the better.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2019-09-02 17:12:59
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Actually curious on how Italy is doing now Seha. Has there been any change? Hopefully for the better. Thanks for asking! *says one year later*
All kind of things happened in this political year of M5S-Lega. It was absolute madness.
The government did jackall for our economic growth(the ubi implemented by M5S isn't even a ubi and it's *** useless)and we are as usual the worst country in the EU in that aspect. Meanwhile though Salvini managed to fight with France everyday(which is every italian's dream)and make immigrants suffer abandoning them in the middle of the sea for weeks on end.
But now the two factions had a bout(mostly cause M5S refused to do the economic maneuvers that Lega wanted and was promised)and so the government dissolved and a new alliance has been formed, this time between M5S and PD(centre-left). This is hilarious as M5S members have spent the past 6 years berating PD on a daily basis and portraying them as the greatest evil in our political history, especially cause in 2014 PD did this exact thing with another party in order to keep a broken government going without doing more elections. But hey, gotta keep a hold on that power somehow right??
At this point I have nfc where all this is even going, this is an improvised alliance just to avoid new elections and the two parties have never once talked about common goals. But winging it is the italian way so carry on.
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By Viciouss 2019-09-02 17:25:12
Well, sounds like your doing better than England at least.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-09-02 20:45:50
Not to mention us.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-09-07 21:18:14
Brit politics today eclipse Italian politics SO BAD.
I mean Boris just might have to call a vote of no confidence on himself.
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By Asura.Vienner 2019-09-08 02:02:50
Belgium doesnt have a federal government after 100 days of negotiating. We're obviously trying to break our previous record of 541 days.
Everything going as planned.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-11-18 13:20:00
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Actually curious on how Italy is doing now Seha. Has there been any change? Hopefully for the better. Thanks for asking! *says one year later*
All kind of things happened in this political year of M5S-Lega. It was absolute madness.
The government did jackall for our economic growth(the ubi implemented by M5S isn't even a ubi and it's *** useless)and we are as usual the worst country in the EU in that aspect. Meanwhile though Salvini managed to fight with France everyday(which is every italian's dream)and make immigrants suffer abandoning them in the middle of the sea for weeks on end.
But now the two factions had a bout(mostly cause M5S refused to do the economic maneuvers that Lega wanted and was promised)and so the government dissolved and a new alliance has been formed, this time between M5S and PD(centre-left). This is hilarious as M5S members have spent the past 6 years berating PD on a daily basis and portraying them as the greatest evil in our political history, especially cause in 2014 PD did this exact thing with another party in order to keep a broken government going without doing more elections. But hey, gotta keep a hold on that power somehow right??
At this point I have nfc where all this is even going, this is an improvised alliance just to avoid new elections and the two parties have never once talked about common goals. But winging it is the italian way so carry on. Thank you for response. I do appreciate the summary of the situation. Sorry its not great. =/
By fonewear 2019-11-18 13:36:26
Italian politics that's a spicy meatball !
By fonewear 2019-11-18 13:37:10
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Actually curious on how Italy is doing now Seha. Has there been any change? Hopefully for the better. Thanks for asking! *says one year later*
All kind of things happened in this political year of M5S-Lega. It was absolute madness.
The government did jackall for our economic growth(the ubi implemented by M5S isn't even a ubi and it's *** useless)and we are as usual the worst country in the EU in that aspect. Meanwhile though Salvini managed to fight with France everyday(which is every italian's dream)and make immigrants suffer abandoning them in the middle of the sea for weeks on end.
But now the two factions had a bout(mostly cause M5S refused to do the economic maneuvers that Lega wanted and was promised)and so the government dissolved and a new alliance has been formed, this time between M5S and PD(centre-left). This is hilarious as M5S members have spent the past 6 years berating PD on a daily basis and portraying them as the greatest evil in our political history, especially cause in 2014 PD did this exact thing with another party in order to keep a broken government going without doing more elections. But hey, gotta keep a hold on that power somehow right??
At this point I have nfc where all this is even going, this is an improvised alliance just to avoid new elections and the two parties have never once talked about common goals. But winging it is the italian way so carry on. YouTube Video Placeholder
By fonewear 2019-11-18 13:42:18
Don't worry Italy we love you for your olive oil and organized crime and I'm sure you have other good qualities....
Ok, I suppose hardly anyone here is interested, but maybe one or two people care about what happens around the globe, so here's a breakdown of Italy's political mess(worse than usual).
We had elections in march but due to a terrible electoral law passed last year the parliament is hung, and we've pretty much been left to anarchy the past 2 months.
To give you a better understanding I'll list you the 6 parties that managed to gain seats in the parliament/senate.
Democratic Party (PD)
Born from the shambles of the old Christian Democrats that ruled Italy for about 40 years and the socialist party, PD is centre-left. Very centre, little left(pun intended). They've also been in power the last cycle(2013-2018 with Letta, Renzi and Gentiloni), slowly and cautiously sailing the country out of the recession. We've gotten better compared to the 2008-2012 period, but not enough to make people happy. It's the party of turtle-like advancement, safe but hella slow. They have the closest ties to the strongest EU governments, but are ultimately uninspiring and dropped really bad in last elections going from the 40% of 2013 to only 18%~.
Right-wing coalition
This one is comprised of three parties as of now:
Lega
Used to be North League, a party of "racists"(towards italians of the south)that badly pushed for the northern part of Italy to secede, they used to be a niche political force but ever since Salvini took hold of the party they dropped the North from the name and tried to establish themselves as a national party. They are still strongly xenophobic(Salvini famously and non jokingly said we should steamroll gypsies with caterpillars), strongly anti-EU, pro-Putin, pushing for an unsustainable 15% flat tax and decrease of retirement age. They grew strongly in the past couple of years and attested themselves at 17%~ last elections.
Forza Italia (FI)
The party that Berlusconi founded in the early 90s. Supposed to be the more moderate of the right-wing parties, it still offers the same platform as 20 years ago. They're the ones who devised the flat tax idea(though they said 20%, which is still too low for our state), but they are more friendly to the EU, eager to form coalitions with anyone, and generally not credible, especially cause Berlusconi is still there. They got 16%~ last elections.
Brothers of Italy (FdI)
Fascists in (poor)disguise. They got about 4%~.
Free and Equal (LeU)
What is left of the socialists in Italy. They do a very poor job at representing people with socialist values as they are unorganized, lack ideas, cohesion and most notably a charismatic and credible leader. They've been a complete disaster so far and in fact barely got into parliament with only about 3%~ of the votes.
5 Star Movement (M5S)
Anti-establishment, pro-environment, pushing for a time-limited unemployment income(which they dishonestly advertise as universal income)...and that's it. They were born from political satirist Grillo as a protest movement against the establishment, they've been the main responsibles for the spread of fake news in Italy the past few years(conspiracy theories of many kinds and, the one that angered me the most the anti-vax agenda). They've grown rapidly over the past few years riding people's anger and disappointement with the financial crisis, but the truth is they offer no solutions to anything, they're only good at protesting(or rather insulting as that's the most they've done in these years). Their current leader Di Maio(poorly educated 30 year old who's never worked in his life)is known for contradicting himself at every interview and would basically say anything to obtain consensus. They're currently the strongest single party in Italy as they obtained 32%~ of the votes last election, though mostly in the south as our regions are very poor and the (mistaken)promise of universal income attracted a lot of voters.
Post-elections: what now?
The way our electoral law works is a bit convuluted, but to put it into simple terms there needs to be a majority of at least 40% in the two chambers in order to form a stable government. This means nobody won(despite the claims of both M5S and the right-wing coalition).
President Mattarella made many attempts with the various parties asking if they were able to form any alliance and make something out of this mess. Nothing happened for 2 months, then suddenly Lega and M5S got together to try to make it amongst them.
After a couple of weeks the result was an insane mess of a program that included the main points of both parties - something so unsustainable and unrealistic for our coffers that is said it would cause a hole of about 150 billions optimistically. But the point of main contention came when they proposed some old man called Savona as minister of economy and fincances: this guy's plan for our economy is to basically either leave the €, or to drag the entire eurozone into default so that "the currency can be renegotiated from scratch". Genius.
Mattarella perplexed at all this and very worried about our already crippled economy said no. He's only letting them get into power if they suggest a more reasonable ecnonomy minister.
Di Maio and Salvini got angry, claimed that Italy is a slave to Eurobrureaucrats(on this topic german EU politician Oettinger didn't help as he ominously said "markets will teach italians how to vote"). Di Maio even went as far as attacking the President, calling for an impeachment(which is unreasonable as Mattarella could refuse the minister as per the Constitution), but more worringly went into squares rallying people against the President and calling for a march on Rome(why hello fascism).
Now we are at an impasse, with probable new elections in september. It's hard to understand what will happen, in terms of consensus Lega keeps growing(polls say it's over 25% now), but FI is tanking so the coalition may or may not reach the 40% barrier. On the other side M5S are losing some steam, but remain strong. Some suggest Lega and M5S might run together to propose the same thing again, which begs the question...what's the point?
tldr: Italy is in an even more chaotic situation than usual, our economy is getting ravaged even more by market speculation(Spread over 250% lol), and our hopes for the future rely on insane economic policies. It makes you wonder if it isn't best to just abandon ship while still possible.
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