Dev Tracker - Discussion

The ambuscade weapons are going to exclusively address the issue that returning players have a difficult time getting weapons. A lot of returning folks go to ambuscade upon reaching 99 and then find themselves in a situation whereas the next step up is Escha-Ru'an or UC, both of which bacially require them to have a higher weapon tier than sparks to get into. So ambuscade weapons are unlikely to be useful to anyone that has done Reisenjima+ content; but greatly reduce the busy work needed for returning players.

Basically a replacement for the poorly thought out Oboro weapons. Oboro JSE weapons would serve as amazing "starter" weapons, except SE made them far too expensive to make relative to their use. They should of been a quick fetch quest that involved that jobs story line NPC's and rewards the base item. Do a second phase of the quest to get the augmented one and call it a day, no buying items required.

I don't think the Oboro weapons were so much poorly thought out as outdated. They served their purpose at release, and were revitalized at time of augments. Gear creep has continued to the point they're irrelevant now, so we need something new.

The materials are only 2-4m too, that isn't really back breaking with things like gain in the game.

I think only a few of Obroro's weapons are still useful, assuming you're not REMA. I know Bst still uses his Axe as a poor man's replacement for the Reisenjima/SU5 one.

Those weapons were meant as "starter" weapons for people who needed something better then sparks but not real gear from stuff like Reisenjima. On release they were much weaker then other options like T2 Reisen weapons. I remember when they came out and everyone on here was trashing them for being so shitty compared to what content already dropped.

This for example

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Minos

Would be awesome for a returning player and needed something to farm CP and do Escha content.

It's not as powerful as this

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Aganoshe

But would of been much easier to obtain, except the acquisition and upgrading of the weapon involve gil and ultimately it's better to just pay the gil to someone to farm the later. If they would of made the JSE weapons stupid easy to obtain, then they would of served their purpose as bridge gear.

Minos was added in early 2014. Reisenjima was not added until the end of 2015.

There are definitely a few more - RUN SMN BRD GEO NIN offhand - that stay useful. More that would be if, as Saevel suggested, they were better implemented as starter weapons.
They take both unlocking Oboro access and finishing RoV just to be able to make and augment to their potential. Actually finding the crafted weapons on the AH can be hit or miss these days too. By the time someone can actually make one, the potential usefulness may be diminished.

There just aren't many weapons that are really on par with the effort/reward of Ambuscade armor though (NQ or maybe +1 anyway). Coalition ones, but those are basically statless outside of reives. Having some better "starting" options isn't a bad idea.

Entirely possible that they'll end up putting some decent instrument alternatives in or whatnot. Or even make something like 242 skill Aeonics or i119 Walk of Echoes weapons as another option to unlock those WS.
(but probably not)

Terpaderp has a use still until empy. Aettir is a very fine weapon. Bst one is decent offhand. Ninja one is actually a good accuracy option for offhand. Pup is a superb weapon for the non hardcore crowd. I'm the rest are pretty garbage but they did serve a purpose at the time and the augmented versions were a good upgrade for some jobs.

The bigger roadblock with these weapons was their requirements to obtain. I agree they should have just been job specific quests anyone could finish rather quickly and then the augment version am enhanced quest.

Edit: post above said it all
Edit2: I missed smn, and I would add WHM to the list as a BIS DD offhand option.

Yeah, if they added some alternatives for Brd or Geo, it could revolutionize how the jobs are used in early end game for returning players.

Bard has access to linos which can get (LOL GL) +3 songs
Geomancers dunna is very good up until and including end game
Corsair even gets a useful ring that is good enough for most things. I think the potency creep isn't that much of an issue nowadays. Those jobs are less troubled than say DD.

battle brd gets a ton of QA

Just gimme a tp bonus off hand dagger thats i119... thats all i want

No

Linos can't get above +2.

It has +1 without augment, add the augment its possible to get +3 total.

Sorry, mind blanked and thought +2 was the unconfirmed hoax augment, not +3.

My mistake.

Maint tonight will reset ambuscade or no?

No, thats the 9th. Tonight will be maint (Exchanging Server Equipment) followed by 2 days of constant R0'ing

So do they revert back to the WSD bug? Probably not lol

Only for Monk.

This is it MNKs!!

... This is the final update for you all...

If this doesn't fix MNKs, then you might as well delvl the job back to 1 and drop your MNK REMAs..

I am curious about the line "adjustments to ensure the price of scout’s bolts don’t get out of control". Assuming some materials will be added to a guild's sellables to set a cap price for certain things. I highly doubt they'll release an NPC who sells them, but is this really an issue (the high prices of scout's bolts)? As a ranger, yeah they're fun, and they at least add a little white damage to our weakest RMEA in terms of white damage between weaponskills, but honestly its like not it turns a bolt into a bullet in terms of damage.

Just make the craft 33 for NQ, boom.

They said changing synth details, they're probably changing the recipe to something less in line with the other s4 synths(maybe even removing the s4 shield req).

NQ is already 33, but that's still too expensive given it uses dark matter and medal mats.

Hey Comeatmebro, just asking here since most recent response I see of yours. Can you move your bots off the mandies outside of adoulin for a bit? Just trying to do some testing with them and they are just making it annoying D:.

Ah ok, bgwiki says it's x1 which is what I was going off of. Yeah I would assume taking out half the mats would be it, then.

I don't have anything in ceizak or yahse anywhere, sorry. Mine do higher content.

bah, thanks!